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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:43 PM
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Poll question: Capitalism doesn't work.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:44 PM
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1. Doesn't work at what?
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:45 PM
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2. Managed capitalism (FDR) works, Crony capitalism (RAYGUN, W) does not!
i had to vote false...
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 08:28 PM
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28. Exactly. Capitalism needs to be regulated.
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:46 PM
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3. Sure it does. We don't have capitalism, though....
small, mid and large size businesses still operate generally by the rules of capitalism.
Huge businesses do not however. And they tend to run the show.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:46 PM
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4. You put the wrong people in high profile decision making positions and nothing will work.




Now take BushCo ..... please. :eyes:








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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:47 PM
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5. capitalism works when it is properly regulated. And where those areas,
where there is market failure, have government run or inspired programs.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:48 PM
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6. Unregulated capitalism untempered by socialism
is the cruelest economic system ever devised. It maximises misery and minimizes the number who are able to escape it.

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ITsec Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:49 PM
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7. Capitalism works fine until...
Human greed kicks in. Then all bets are off.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:08 PM
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11. Is it possible for capitalism to have morals and create a just society
Or is it more possible for a just society to impose its morals on capitalism?

I REALLY hate the phrase "it's a business decision" that gets invoked to legitimize anti-social behavior. I much prefer the more honest phrase "it is a pro-profit decision."



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The Gunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 08:48 PM
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29. Bingo. You've just saved me some typing.
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 08:49 PM by The Gunslinger
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:50 PM
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8. Corporatism (Fascism) doesn't work.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:52 PM
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9. capitalism works great!
If you are more ruthless, venal and amoral than most other people.
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lutherj Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:05 PM
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10. Works if you're rich.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:26 PM
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12. It can't work alone.
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 01:27 PM by Orsino
It needs care, occasional feeding, vigilant regulators and a social safety net.
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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:07 PM
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13. It might only work with heavy regulation & check and balances.
This what we have is more like Piracy than capitalism.

Marx will be proven right someday soon here.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:08 PM
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14. No vote yet, define "works". n/t
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:10 PM
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15. I'm not really sure what capitalism's supposed to look like.
I can't recognize the economic system we have, but I don't think it's capitalism in practice.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:15 PM
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16. It is what we make of it.
I don't think what it is right now is working for most of us, but I sure don't know how to overhaul it.
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Terry in Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:40 PM
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17. It works about as well as any other religion
Like other successful religions, "capitalism" means just about anything its adherents wish it to mean.

Mostly, it ends up meaning "our system," versus "their system," and therefore a dandy pretext for acting vastly superior and occasionally giving "them" the thumping they so richly deserve, while providing ourselves with comforting excuses for the stupidities and cruelties brought on by the blind devotion it demands.

In this regard, "capitalism" works great!

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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:48 PM
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18. Do you believe in the "invisible hand"?
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Terry in Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 03:08 PM
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19. Fie, sir or madam, that you should doubt for a moment!
Belief in the Invisible Hand is essential canon, most importantly in its manifestation as the Invisible Fist, the righteous remedy for unbelievers who dare to unbelieve.

Daily, I make sacrifices to it -- invisible $100 bills.


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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 03:12 PM
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20. People refuse to distinguish between capitalism and completely free markets
There is, of course, a huge difference, but not when your preferred method of communication is via polemic.

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 03:22 PM
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21. I Agree only in Part... Unfettered, deregulated Capitalism doesn't work
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 03:26 PM
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22. Short answer: TRUE... Long answer: Depends on what you mean by "capitalism"
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 03:30 PM by Odin2005
The "Capitalism" of the right-wing economists is a idealized mathematical abstraction with little basis in reality.

IMO one must distinguish between free enterprise and the institution of the Corporation. There is nothing wrong with Free Enterprise, the USSR showed how much of a disaster command economies are. The Corporation, on the other hand, is the problem; businesses should be as much as possible co-ops, with management chosen by the employees.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:18 PM
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23. Astound me!
Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.
- John Maynard Keynes

Oh,,oh, yeah, I like it!
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 08:22 PM
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25. Eggscellent.
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codjh9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:20 PM
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24. I don't think it's a simple yes or no - more complicated than that.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 08:23 PM
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26. Not to DUers it's not...
:rofl:
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MsLeopard Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 08:27 PM
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27. Have been saying it for years
it doesn't work because it's not "free" and "fair" markets. It's a rigged game. As I read in another thread somewhere - "Capitalism is not about competition, capitalism is about killing the competion." We practice warped capitalism, very manipulated, now to the point of collapse.
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