Native Americans win ruling on Sacred Mountain!!!!!

[azndndude]

This is great news!!!!!!!! perhaps there is justice in this country when it comes to Native American beliefs
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0313snowbowl0313.html
notice all the racist comments at the end of the article.

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. Oh, that is good news indeed. :^D

[Pachamama]

37. More info on the San Francisco Peaks as a sacred site

http://www.sacredland.org/endangered_sites_pages/sfpeaks.html

San Francisco Peaks

From many places in northern Arizona, the horizon is dramatically marked by three 12,000-foot volcanic peaks that rise out of the Colorado Plateau south of the Grand Canyon and north of Flagstaff. The San Francisco Peaks are sacred to 13 tribes. For the Navajo, the Peaks are the sacred mountain of the west, Doko’oo’sliid, “Shining On Top,” a key boundary marker and a place where medicine men collect herbs for healing ceremonies. To the Hopi, the Peaks are Nuvatukaovi, “The Place of Snow on the Very Top,” home for half of the year to the ancestral kachina spirits who live among the clouds around the summit. When properly honored through song and ceremony, the kachinas bring gentle rains to thirsty corn plants. The peaks are one of the “sacred places where the Earth brushes up against the unseen world,” in the words of Yavapai-Apache Chairman Vincent Randall.

[bigtree]

2. I really didn't expect them to win

go figure. way to go!

[TheBaldyMan]

3. don't eat that yellow snow!

good news for the enviroment as well, ski-ing can degrade then alpine ecosystem through overuse.

[damntexdem]

4. "Come ski on our sewage!"

What a wonderful advertising slogan the ski lodge could have had. But, alas, it is not to be. ;-)

[DKRC]

5. Great news!

But read some of the comments below the article. They're outrageous! Especially the one about the tribes trying to '"take back" whatever it is they think they've lost.' ... Er? All of North, Central, and South America was lost.
Obviously someone slept through History class & got his/her facts from old John Wayne movies on Saturdays.
:eyes:

[Elwood P Dowd]

11. They think they're John Wayne in "The Searchers"

The 101st Keyboard Division puts out some bad dudes. Just pray they don't leave mom's basement and come after you.

;-)

[gatorboy]

16. I've seen these people in action.

They can throw a mean Twinkie...

"Flubby Powers...ACTIVATE!"

"Form of...Ann Coulter's Rectum!"

[MLFerrell]

26. LOL!

[DKRC]

30. Never happen.

I possess The Dread Mommy Voice.
That alone will quell any rash moves to leave their lair & take me on.

:evilgrin:

[Dinger]

6. K & R!

[myrna minx]

7. K&R. n/t

[geardaddy]

8. Yes...Kicked and Recommended!

Awesome news!

[RebelOne]

9. I didn't notice that many racist comments.

In fact, many of the comments posted are from Native Americans.

[druidity33]

25. really?

I tripped over a few, just opening the first page of comments. Some of it was a little disturbing... :(. Yes there are comments from Natives, but the chorus of ALL CAPS SWEARING NAYSAYERS kinda drowns them out...

As for the pro-reclaimed water arguments crowd who say, yes it is "fine for the environment, they even use it on golf courses!" as long as you don't want animals to visit or plants to grow well, then i'd say GO FOR IT!

I hope the fact that it's the 9th Circuit's decision doesn't torpedo the ruling...

[blondeatlast]

10. Whoever had the not-so-brilliant idea of opening Snow Bowl should have taken Rocks for Jocks

at the very least (I did). I'm a Zonie myself and went to NAU. The gorgeous San Francisco Peaks were never meant to have snow every winter.

Don't you just love it when intellect and justice work together? This judge GETS IT:"To get some sense of equivalence," Judge William A. Fletcher wrote for the panel, "it may be useful to imagine the effect on Christian beliefs and practices - and the imposition that Christians would experience - if the government were to require that baptisms be carried out with 'reclaimed water.' "

The Forest Service argued that improving the quality of skiing fulfilled its mandate to provide "multiple uses" to the public on the federal land.

But the judges said the government had no obligation to help a commercial ski area extend its skiing.

"We are struck by the obvious fact that the Peaks are located in a desert," the judges wrote. "It is (and always has been) predictable that some winters will be dry."


Dear Mr. Businessman, here's a helpful climate tip for you: Desert winters are DIFFERENT than non-desert winters. Sheesh.

[IanBean]

12. I don't see the problem

Will using treated sewage water to make snow be bad for the environment?

[blondeatlast]

13. Um--read the article or at least thru the responses.

It's a sacred mountain, and one of the judges made the perfect analogy to explain it.

You won't last long here if you post without reading; this place can get brutal.

[IanBean]

19. What mountain isn't sacred

answer that

[Solon]

34. That's easy, any mountain that doesn't have religious significance...

in one of three areas isn't considered sacred, that includes Oral and Written accounts of past worship or reverence, if grave sites are nearby, or if there were artifacts and traces of buildings near or on these mountains. Most people seem to forget that many sites were sacred to many different tribes as places of worship and reverence, tribal burial grounds, etc. and that they usually used the same sites for hundreds of years, most didn't stop using such sites till forcibly removed from their original locations during the second half of the 19th century.

[IanBean]

41. still haven't named a single non sacred mountain

[tkmorris]

40. Link to answer

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=24956061

[Kurovski]

14. K&R.(nt)

[intheflow]

15. I'm glad to hear it.

You'd think after 515 of Western pillaging, and after 231 of so-called religious freedom, you wouldn't have to post articles like this as if they were something out of the ordinary. But it is out of the ordinary. Let's hope it becomes the norm.

Nice to see you again, Friend! :hi:

[blondeatlast]

17. I love what one of the judges wrote; dead-on perfect analogy:

"To get some sense of equivalence," Judge William A. Fletcher wrote for the panel, "it may be useful to imagine the effect on Christian beliefs and practices - and the imposition that Christians would experience - if the government were to require that baptisms be carried out with 'reclaimed water.' "

[azndndude]

22. nice to hear from you too!

[xchrom]

18. eighteenth recommend, baby!

lets rock the house for some first nations people.

[Squatch]

20. Does Sunrise ski resort used treated waste water to make snow?

[azndndude]

21. no they dont

[SpiralHawk]

23. Meegwich for Doko’oosliid,

One of the FOUR SACRED CORNERS for this Turtle Island (North American) continent we all call home.

This ruling is of inestimable spiritual import

http://www.8thfire.net/Day_175.html

"There’s a dramatic view far off to the southeast to what the Hopi call Nuvatuka’Ovi, the Navajo call Doko’oosliid, some locals call the Kachina Peaks, and tourists call the San Francisco Peaks of Flagstaff, Arizona. These peaks mark the west boundary of the Four Corners."

[Xithras]

24. Odd. Treated wastewater is biologically inert.

In fact, there are areas in this country where it is recycled back into the drinking water. If you've ever been to LA and drank water that originated in the California Aqueduct, you've drank water that was partially comprised of treated wastewater. From an environmental standpoint, I don't see the argument against the water itself.

Now, the ecological impacts of snowmaking are a slightly different story (increased erosion and huge power requirements being among the greatest issues), but the water? We humans need to get over our sense of "icky". Every drop of water on this planet has been swallowed and pissed back out of a living creature at some point in the Earth's history. In a closed system, all water gets recycled.

[Hekate]

27. Blessed be!

:hi:

This is great news, for a change.

Hekate

[Elwood P Dowd]

28. Bush will have the Supreme Court overturn the 9th

if the company makes a significant contribution to the republican party.

[judaspriestess]

29. wtf

"Signed,
Chief Doubledown"


gotta read the post, what a fucking poor excuse of a human being. this bottomfeeder is making a comment of how its ok to "rape" grandma at the blackjack table but its wrong to make shit flavored snow. People are so stupid. This is about sacred land not about making money.

[Jcrowley]

31. Fabulous

K&R

[azndndude]

32. pic of peaks

still in shock! here is the sacred western mountain of the Navajo. One of 4 mountains sacred to the Navajo and other tribes in the southwest.
for more info visit www.savethepeaks.org

[undergroundpanther]

33. Smile ...

Yesss! Wonderful.Something going right in this mess.

But you know the history of bouncing "treaties" with the 'government...I hope the tribe keeps the mountain safe & sacred forever!
Happy!

[Broken_Hero]

35. Great news,

and those comments at the end of the article....

:wtf: :argh:

[Pachamama]

36. "In the Light of Reverance"

It's a movie my friend Toby Mcleod did six years ago that shows several sacred sites in the US and the significance and meaning to the native american tribes. It's a must see movie and it also shows the insensitivity and lack of respect for their religion and beliefs by non-natives.

http://www.sacredland.org/reverence.html

http://www.nativetelecom.org/realmedia/video/ilor/index.html

I am really happy about this ruling....sadly, for a case like this, there are 100's of ones that didn't turn out so happy for the tribe.

Can you imagine how the fundies would feel if some site that Jesus walked was used for a sewage treatment plant? That's how the tribe feels about what was being proposed....And while Christian Fundies would say that you can't equate with the experience of Jesus, that isn't the case for the natives who worship differently.

[Leopolds Ghost]

38. Your screen-name is appropos to this discussion! n/t

[Pachamama]

39. And as you may have guessed, there is a reason for my screen name...

I've been actively involved in protecting Pachamama for over a decade....its why I chose her as my screen name.... :hi: