Dear Fellow White Women Who Have Switched Support From Obama To Palin

[cali]

If Palin/McCain wins, shut your fool mouths. I don't want to hear you whining when your job is shipped overseas and the only work you can find is at Walmart. Tough shit. I don't want to hear your cries of grief when your children are maimed or killed in the next war those nutcases will start. Tough shit. I'll have no sympathy for your grievous losses. I don't want to hear it when your daughter is raped, and your state has banned all abortions because Roe has been overturned. I don't want to hear it when you lose your home, or your spouse gets ill and you don't have enough insurance or any insurance.

It'll be your own stupid fault. I have no sympathy for whatever befalls you should Palin/McCain become president. You aren't just fucking yourself, you're fucking all of us.

[atreides1]

1. It Needed To Be Said

Thank You.

[Tesla]

2. I wanted to say that to a mom in the PTA room yesterday!!

She was talkin about writing Oprah and telling her she isn't being fair about not interviewing Palin.
Made me sick!!
:applause:

[NOLALady]

15. Why didn't you say something like that to her?

Maybe she could use a bit of education.

[Kittycat]

61. Agreed. If the woman felt free enough to spout her ignorance

than you should feel free enough to educate her.

[Dorian Gray]

32. That whole thing is just ridiculous

Who cares if Oprah has her on. Isn't she (Oprah) free to interview anyone she likes? It's her show. And she's come out for Obama, but at the same time has refused to have even HIM on during this whole campaign season.

People just like to get their knickers caught in a knot.

[Iris]

41. at the urging of the right wing talk show hosts.

I posted about it in GD. It's not an original thought of your fellow-PTAer

[AnnaLouise]

3. don't believe the disinformation

they want us to believe the Gallups and the Meyers with their
many decades of lying..
but Obama has at the very least 301 electoral votes to McCain's 241
...

pics of Palin's impaled below

[cali]

4. I believe it. White women went strongly for bush over Kerry

what evidence do you have that it's not true? And no the electoral map isn't evidence of white women not supporting Palin/McCain.

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[Lorien]

35. Got a link for that statement? n/t

[cali]

37. Of course. here you are.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

Or don't you consider 11 points significant?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

5. agreed.

[postmanisu]

6. Oprah wouldn't give that lying biatch any time

do you know how much Oprah is worth, why would she want to have lying ass Palin for an interview, well maybe she should so she could fire tough questions at her then when Palin answers them with a lie have the truth posted on the screen behind them.. lol

[cali]

7. Oprah said she'd have her on after the election.

and try not using the word bitch.

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[pacalo]

64. ...

:rofl:

Thanks for the lesson on civility.

:rofl:

[SIMPLYB1980]

8. Well said cali, but I wouldn't read to much into that poll.

At least white women are around 50/50. As a white male I'm ashamed to say that the white male vote is going for McCain around 60%. 2 months hopefully that will change. I to will have no sympathy for any dumb ass willing to vote for Palin/McCain.

[ladjf]

45. Regardless of the validity of the poll, Cali has hit upon an effective

way to shock people into thinking about the negative consequences of the foolish voting against their own best interests.

[NRaleighLiberal]

9. My simple message to them - you are stupid, willfully ignorant, and fools. NT

[Lorien]

34. Yep, that will bring them around alright!

geez-insulting people DOES NOT work. If you want to win them over, ask them WHY they support gramps and Moosealini (without calling them that), then counter their responses with things that will make them question themselves, and give them a few truthful factoids to chew on why you're at it. If a right winger walks up to you and says "only an ignorant fucktard would support Obama" you're not going to say "Oh really? Why is that? Obviously, I need you to enlighten me"! but if they say "why do you support Obama"? a discussion can be had, cases can be stated, and just possibly minds can be changed.

[NRaleighLiberal]

39. Sorry, I don't think that they can be brought over. As I said, willfully ignorant.

My wife agrees with me on this - her view is that most if not all of them are permanently brainwashed, deluded or insane. Let them go, I say.

[riverdeep]

48. I don't see this as a guide to make friends and influence people.

More like a rant behind closed doors for saying what needs to be said sometimes. Then you open the door, and smile...

[barbtries]

10. you mean there are such people?

what a disconnect...it's the policies, people!

i've been errant apparently, overmisunderestimatering the stupidity of the american electorate.

you say there really are such people?

[MadinMo]

14. 90% of the people I work with fit this description.

[zanne]

12. If McCain wins and people start to complain...

I plan on asking them who they voted for. It's time to hold people accountable.

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[MaryEllen9399]

20. why is this freeptard still here? nt

[yardwork]

52. I've been doing that for seven years and it hasn't worked.

It disgusts me that almost half the voting public are dumb as rocks and mean as....what would be as mean as Bush supporters? Maybe Sarah Palin....

Anyway, they're stupid, uninformed, and mean. They're racist, sexist, homophobic, and filled with numerous other phobias and pathologies. Most of the time they're voting against their own interests but they're too stupid to see it. Their minds are filled with inane beliefs and half-cooked ideologies that barely cover their blatant disregard for anyone besides themselves. They lack empathy. They're little shits. They smirk a lot.

Argh. They make me mad. Assholes.

[Nikki Stone1]

13. This approach does not work very well. You only alienate people.

I'm sorry you're going this route.

[cali]

18. Stop trying to shut people up with your self-righteous crap.

This, dearie, is a board for discussing politics, and you can identify all you wish with these people and the PUMAs you so often defend. I don't. Tough.

[MaryEllen9399]

21. amen nt

[Nikki Stone1]

29. Wow! Wrong side of the bed this morning?

Hope you feel better. :hi:

[yardwork]

53. LOL. Rude, but effective.

[ladjf]

46. I've never seen Cali's approach used. And, nothing else has worked

to dissuade people from voting against their best interests.

[Lilith Velkor]

56. Welcome to DU

How on earth did you get a thousand posts in 3 days?

[ladjf]

68. I've been a member of DU for years. Why are you asking me

about 3 days?

[pacalo]

65. Amen.

:shrug:

[NashVegas]

22. You Must Have Missed That Right Turn

To take your message into Free Republic, where Palin has support.

[cali]

23. yes, of course, this is a pro-Palin OP.

Any delusional paranoid sort can see that clearly. Oh, and if you don't think that some of your fellow Hillary supporters are enthusiastically backing Palin, check out the Hillary forums on the web.

[NashVegas]

24. O ... Kay

I just don't get why this is posted here, on DU, as a direct letter to Palin supporters when, surely they're all gone from here.

[cali]

25. uh, guess what? People look at websites with an opposing point of view

did you actually not know that. In addition, I was venting- expressing my feelings about a segment of the voting population. That's never been done here before, right?

[zanne]

26. I'm sure there are plenty of trolls around these days, too.

Keep it up, cali! You have my full support.

[peace13]

27. Ya know I have to stir this up a bit . The same goes for...

people that 'support' Obama and don't call or get to their local Obama headquarters and donate some of their TIME to get this thing done. Volunteers are desperately needed to carry out the neighbor to neighbor program. If you can't make calls from home at least ask your local office what you can do to make their life easier, be it donations of bottled water, paper towels, snacks you have it. If we don't do all that we can do before November we may be sorry for a very long time. Peace, Kim

[Alpharetta]

28. They're not reading you. They're reading People magazine n/t

[Patiod]

33. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

One of my idiot acquaintances was reading People on Sunday, complaining that the press is "being mean" to Palin.

I comfort myself in knowing that she's probably not even registered to vote. And if she is, she travels so much for work and would NEVER go to the trouble to get an absentee ballot....

but there are more people out there like her than like us. We just have to make sure the people like us get to the polls!

[Dorian Gray]

30. Yeah

I'm a fellow White Woman, though I have not switched my support. But I think you're sort of preaching to the choir, Cali. LOL. (How many readers here will actually vote for McCain/Palin... ???)

[NikolaC]

31. Preach It!

Thank you. :kick:

[bdamomma]

36. kick

[cascadiance]

38. The end goal is progressive government... For now that is GETTING OBAMA elected!

Now some of the women out there might be upset with how "Hillary was treated", or perhaps some of their issues weren't picked up as much as they'd like by Obama.

I never was a supporter of Hillary, but I also have a lot of things I want done more by Obama too (like dropping the whole "clean coal" crap he spouts off once in a while which really isn't a useful technology investment in a global warming and toxin infested environment we live in, or coming back to the people's side on FISA, etc.).

But the time for us to be concerned about these issues will be the second week of November and later, when we have arguably more of a government that will hopefully respond to grass roots lobbying rather than corporate lobbying. We need to hint to Obama beforehand, where we perceive we have "majority" issues that most Americans, when told the truth, will support those issues, even if lobbying corporate America doesn't and even if might get labeled "progressive", that we will help him more if he pushes these sorts of issues before the election. Those are *winning* issues with the populace to help him win, even if it doesn't help him stay friends with the K Street crowd. But other than those issues, the rest of what we should focus on is getting him elected.

In November, that is when we DO NOT stop and say "we won", like we did when Bill Clinton got elected. THAT is the time we start holding the Democratic Party answerable to our interests, and push them and really isolate those blue dogs and DLC that try to get in the way of the "people's agenda" and threaten that we work against them in subsequent elections if they don't start listening to the people. In short, that's when the hard part of our work ahead starts, but hopefully when we start winning substantive battles and get some results back for us.

LBJ needed to be lobbied heavily by the people to pass civil rights legislation. People's lobbying helped steer FDR to do the right thing in his day. It won't be any different with Obama. The harder part is that the media will try to discourage us, corporate owned as they are. But we must not stop then. Don't vote against or work against Obama now. He's a potential tool later that we need to fight for. But he will be what we make him later.

[wryter2000]

40. I'm not buying it

Something smells here. I don't want to play ostrich, and I normally say data are data, but this one smells like last week's cod.

[cliffordu]

42. Exactly. Thanks, Cali!!!! K&R

[krabigirl]

43. I don't believe it, except for women like my mother. Yuck.

[ladjf]

44. Cali, I think that your intentionally crude and rough language is an

excellent way to shock people into thinking about the results of their voting against their own best interests. I believe that your strategy should be applied on a wider basis. I mean by that, Democratic strategists should consider ways to use your idea.

[pitohui]

47. have you actually met even ONE white woman who did this?

or are you just buying the media narrative and in need of "shutting your damn fool mouth" yourself?

be a critical thinker, or did you also believe that "hurricane" gustav was a storm 900 miles wide?

your and others uncritical acceptance of this obvious lie is a big part of the problem and is setting us up for yet another stolen election

honestly look at yourself and ask if you have gotten out and talked to people and met even ONE woman who has made this switch...i'm saying have you found even ONE? because what i'm hearing on the ground is women who are angry that women are considered to be interchangeable faces and that their actual actions and beliefs are considered to be of no value or importance

[cynatnite]

49. They may fuck all of us by voting for McCain/Palin...

but they don't have to shutup if they should regret their vote down the road.

[riverdeep]

50. It makes me queasy when I look at some of these women who think

so little of their beliefs, or maybe just think so little, that a gimmicky VP selection can sway them over core, real-life concerns. It also beams a giant middle finger to all the women who've fought for what they presently enjoy, but don't see fit to defend for anyone else. 'I got mine, jack.'

And yes, this is real. The recent lead in poll numbers for McCain consisted overwhelmingly from white women. It can swing back, or for that matter, go higher.

[LeftishBrit]

51. A woman or minority group member who votes for the Republican party...

is like a turkey who votes for the Christmas Party!

[ismnotwasm]

54. I like this from Eve Ensler

"I am having Sarah Palin nightmares. I dreamt last night that she was a member of a club where they rode snowmobiles and wore the claws of drowned and starved polar bears around their necks. I have a particular thing for Polar Bears. Maybe it's their snowy whiteness or their bigness or the fact that they live in the arctic or that I have never seen one in person or touched one. Maybe it is the fact that they live so comfortably on ice. Whatever it is, I need the polar bears.

I don't like raging at women. I am a Feminist and have spent my life trying to build community, help empower women and stop violence against them. It is hard to write about Sarah Palin. This is why the Sarah Palin choice was all the more insidious and cynical. The people who made this choice count on the goodness and solidarity of Feminists."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eve-ensler/drill-drill-drill_b_124829.html


If the white woman switch is true--and significant-- it's beyond belief. Except George W. Bush should be beyond belief as well and here we are. Obama and Palin are poles apart. Also from the article;


"I write to my sisters. I write because I believe we hold this election in our hands. This vote is a vote that will determine the future not just of the U.S., but of the planet. It will determine whether we create policies to save the earth or make it forever uninhabitable for humans. It will determine whether we move towards dialogue and diplomacy in the world or whether we escalate violence through invasion, undermining and attack. It will determine whether we go for oil, strip mining, coal burning or invest our money in alternatives that will free us from dependency and destruction. It will determine if money gets spent on education and healthcare or whether we build more and more methods of killing. It will determine whether America is a free open tolerant society or a closed place of fear, fundamentalism and aggression.

If the Polar Bears don't move you to go and do everything in your power to get Obama elected then consider the chant that filled the hall after Palin spoke at the RNC, "Drill Drill Drill." I think of teeth when I think of drills. I think of rape. I think of destruction. I think of domination. I think of military exercises that force mindless repetition, emptying the brain of analysis, doubt, ambiguity or dissent. I think of pain"

[Cerridwen]

55. "Men's support gives Palin edge in latest poll" - dueling polls

Men's support gives Palin edge in latest poll

<snip>

62 percent of men questioned have a favorable opinion of the Alaska governor, nine points higher than women.

<snip>

23 percent of men have an unfavorable view of Sen. John McCain's running mate, seven points lower than women.

<snip>

What would happen if Americans could cast separate votes for president and vice president?

Palin would top Biden "by a 53 to 44 percent margin, based largely on the votes of men," Holland said.

Poll shows big shift to McCain among white women

<snip>
Before the Democratic National Convention in late August, Obama held an 8 percentage point lead among white women voters, 50 percent to 42 percent, but after the Republican convention in early September, McCain was ahead by 12 points among white women, 53 percent to 41 percent, the poll found.

Asked about the findings during a briefing on Monday before the poll was published, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe told a Washington Post reporter, "Well, your poll is wrong."

"I don't think you'll find many others that back up a 20-point reversal," Plouffe said during the briefing at Obama's campaign headquarters in Chicago. "We certainly are not seeing any movement like that. Polls, time to time, particularly on the demographic stuff, can have some pretty wild swings."

<snip>

The first article has more specifics; the second article is vague. Lemme guess, you read only the second one?

I'll trust Obama's camp on this one. I also trust that women are smarter than thinking one woman is the same as other; that seems more a "male" attitude and most women are insulted by it. I also trust that as soon as mrs. palin comes out of hiding and more people get a look at her, any convention bump or excitement stirred by having a woman on the ballot, will be exposed as the cynical and fucking sexist move it was.

Jesus, cali, do you have ANY critical thinking skills? By the way, the fact that you bought that crap shows me what little respect you have for women if you think we're that stupid and/or ignorant. If the women you know are that stupid, man are you traveling in the wrong circles. You might want to go meet a better class of people.

Switching from Obama to mccain because a woman's on the ballot? Switching from Democrat to republican? That's quite a stretch.

[ullad]

57. That's telling em!. But will they listen?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

58. The operative word being "white".

We can't have some scary black guy in the WHITE House, what would the neighbors think?

[Sanctified]

59. Why is this directed at White Women?

Why not direct it at everyone who has jumped off the Obama wagon and blame all of them not just white women.

[riverdeep]

62. Because one of the polls indicated that it was white woman who

represented the biggest gain in McCain's numbers.

[EnviroBat]

60. Thanks cali. I'm sending this to my moron of a sister.

She's lost her mind.

[Imagevision]

63. Women who vote for Palin are voting for a woman instead of what they need.

[tbyg52]

66. I just heard an idiot on the network (ABC) news

gushing "oh I love her!" They actually asked her how much she knew about Palin. "Uh, not much." "Does she realize she just made a complete idiot of herself on national TV?" I asked my husband.

[mentalsolstice]

67. If white women are that stupid, how can I change my race?

A sex change is out of the question, so can I please have a race/ethnic change?

[entanglement]

69. White women went 55/45 Repub in '04 - if that happens again, it will be a case of "seriesly screwn"