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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:36 PM
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George Bush STILL hates black people **BILLIONS TO GEORGIA HOW MUCH TO HAITI?
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 03:37 PM by seemslikeadream
Has he said anything about Haiti lately? Maybe it looks too much like New Orleans



Photo from Getty Images by AFP/Getty Images
1 day ago: An aerial view is seen on September 5, 2008 in Gonaives, 171 Km (72 miles) from Port-au-Prince after the passing of Tropical Storm Hanna. The European Commission launched Friday "fast-track" aid action for Haiti, after the storm-hit Caribbean island appealed for international help. At least 136 people have been killed by Tropical Storm Hanna, which hit Haiti just eight days after Hurricane Gustav caused some 77 deaths. The worst-hit city is Gonaives, which was flooded after being hit by Hanna on Monday and Tuesday, leaving some 250,000 people affected. Haiti's Senate voted late Thursday to declare a state of emergency in the city.



Photo from Getty Images by AFP/Getty Images
1 day ago: People sit next to a flooded area on September 5, 2008 in Gonaives, 171 Km (72 miles) from Port-au-Prince after the passing of Tropical Storm Hanna. The European Commission launched Friday "fast-track" aid action for Haiti, after the storm-hit Caribbean island appealed for international help. At least 136 people have been killed by Tropical Storm Hanna, which hit Haiti just eight days after Hurricane Gustav caused some 77 deaths. The worst-hit city is Gonaives, which was flooded after being hit by Hanna on Monday and Tuesday, leaving some 250,000 people affected. Haiti's Senate voted late Thursday to declare a state of emergency in the city.
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Seeking Serenity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:37 PM
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1. At the risk of sounding like a noob, how is this George Bush's fault? (n/t)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:38 PM
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3. How much aid is he sending to Haiti? How much to Georgia?
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 03:51 PM by seemslikeadream
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:39 PM
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4. Are you familiar with how he turned his back on Haiti?
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:40 PM
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5. Uh, the OP didn't SAY it was bush's FAULT. What was stated was an unhappiness that we're
sending a billion bucks to the people in Georgia and nothing to Haiti.

Though I have no doubt that the folks in Georgia could use the help, they are ABSOLUTELY nowhere hear as destitute as those poor people in Haiti - who, the same, happen to be our neighbors.

I think THAT's what the OP was talking about.

Redstone
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:41 PM
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8. I believe their skin is a little whiter, no doubt
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 03:42 PM by seemslikeadream
and where they live is also a consideration, huh Cheney??
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Seeking Serenity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:43 PM
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10. Sorry, I posted before the OP was edited to include the reference to Georgia. (n/t)
But as much as I hate us being the world's policeman, I hesitate that we should either be the world's caretaker.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:44 PM
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12. If we are the reason for it yes we have the responsibilty
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 03:45 PM by seemslikeadream
Did you really need my reference to Georgia to get it?
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Seeking Serenity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:47 PM
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14. Do what? We caused the hurricane? We caused all that damage?
Please clarify.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:49 PM
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16. Did we cause this hurricane? Something very familiar here isn't it?
Maybe you don't know the history of the U.S. backed coup in Haiti?

She calls out to the man on the street

sir, can you help me?

Its cold and Ive nowhere to sleep,

Is there somewhere you can tell me?

He walks on, doesnt look back
He pretends he cant hear her

Starts to whistle as he crosses the street
Seems embarrassed to be there

Oh think twice, its another day for

You and me in paradise

Oh think twice, its just another day for you,

You and me in paradise

She calls out to the man on the street

He can see shes been crying
Shes got blisters on the soles of her feet

Cant walk but shes trying

Oh think twice...

Oh lord, is there nothing more anybody can do

Oh lord, there must be something you can say

You can tell from the lines on her face

You can see that shes been there

Probably been moved on from every place

cos she didnt fit in there

Oh think twice...




Thanks again to Phil Collins for the words
My heart to the people of New Orleans
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:14 PM
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27. You have a point there, but remember that MANY other countries are far ahead of us
in foreign-aid spending as a percentage of GDP.

Redstone
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:17 PM
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28. We have to be the world's caregiver WE STEAL ALL THEIR RESOURCES
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:40 PM
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6. Do you remember this?
WHILE I SIT HERE TRYING TO THINK OF THINGS TO SAY


SOMEONE LIES BLEEDING IN A FIELD SOMEWHERE

SO IT WOULD SEEM WE'VE STILL GOT A LONG LONG WAY TO GO

I'VE SEEN ALL I WANNA SEE TODAY

WHILE I SIT HERE TRYING TO MOVE YOU ANYWAY I CAN


SOMEONE'S SON LIES DEAD IN A GUTTER SOMEWHERE

AND IT WOULD SEEM THAT WE'VE GOT A LONG LONG WAY TO GO

BUT I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE

SWITCH IT OFF IT WILL GO AWAY

TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO

SWITCH IT OFF OR LOOK AWAY

WHILE I SIT AND WE TALK AND TALK AND WE TALK SOME MORE

SOMEONE'S LOVED ONE'S HEART STOPS BEATING IN A STREET SOMEWHERE

SO IT WOULD SEEM WE'VE STILL GOT A LONG LONG WAY TO GO, I KNOW

I'VE HEARD ALL I WANNA HEAR TODAY

TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO (TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO)

SWITCH IT OFF IT WILL GO AWAY (SWITCH IT OFF IT WILL GO AWAY)

TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO (TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO)

SWITCH IT OFF OR LOOK AWAY (SWITCH IT OFF OR LOOK AWAY)

SWITCH IT OFF

SWITCH IT OFF

SWITCH IT OFF

SWITCH IT OFF

SWITCH IT OFF

TURN IT OFF



thanks phil collins for the words
my heart to the people of Haiti
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:42 PM
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9. Powerful photo-essay, right there. I hope people get your point.
Redstone
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:37 PM
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2. They are about to get hit with another 6" to 12" from Ike n/t
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 05:00 PM
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51. I see that, how much tragedy can one island endure?
:cry:
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:41 PM
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7. He likes war too.
There is a war in Georgia and not in Hatti. Only starving black people which to bu$h are nothing more than pests.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:43 PM
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11. Well a U.S. backed coup I guess is not a war
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 03:45 PM by seemslikeadream
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:46 PM
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13. Granted it is not truly a war
But it does involve military destruction. I really think that shit gets his rocks off. I can see him playing with toy soldiers, blowing them up with firecrackers as a kid.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:48 PM
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15. Sorry
Haiti doesn't have an oil pipeline. :sarcasm:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:50 PM
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17. Or too many white folks
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:54 PM
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19. You beat me to it.
That is exactly it. Bushit has no use for Haiti. No oil, no aid.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:55 PM
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21. Oh he had use for Haiti alright it just wasn't what the people of Haiti would have wanted
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:51 PM
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18. Despite DeMohrenschildt's best efforts, Haiti doesn't have huge petroleum reserves..
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:55 PM
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20. How about we don't send any money to either place?
How about helping people already here in THIS country that need help too?

How about gutting the defense spending and get out of policing the world at the same time?

This will sound harsh, but not one penny should leave our country until we help the citizens here that need it.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:57 PM
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23. Maybe because we stuck our fucking nose into Haiti?
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 03:57 PM by seemslikeadream
and kidnapped Aristide
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:19 PM
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29. Not a good enough reason.
The government owes more to it's own citizens than other people in other places. Once they fix help the hurting and needy families here, then and only then should one dollar leave this country.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:22 PM
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30. WHEN OUR GOVERNMENT ENABLES A COUP..........
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:24 PM
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31. ...doesn't make those citizens more important than our own.
Simple concept for you. Help our needy citizens, then help the world.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:29 PM
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33. DON'T DESTROY THE WORLD FIRST
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 04:31 PM by seemslikeadream
SIMPLE CONCEPT FOR YOU

AND STOP BEING SO CONDESCENDING
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:36 PM
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35. Putting a priority on our own citizens will not destroy the world.
If you could grasp simple ideas, maybe people wouldn't have to condescend to you.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:38 PM
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36. YOU JUST DON'T GET IT TOO SIMPLE FOR YOU?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:39 PM
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37. You apparently NO NOTHING ABOUT HAITI'S HISTORY
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:44 PM
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39. I "know" plenty about Haiti's history.
It's irrelevant.

Nothing we've done makes their citizens more of a priority than our own needy families & neighbors.

When our government fulfills their obligations to our own needy families, then they can go about fixing the world.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:49 PM
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41.  international agreements are not always thought of as being terribly important in some people minds
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 04:50 PM by seemslikeadream
Senator Chris Dodd's statement on Haiti
HAITI -- (Senate - March 02, 2004)


GPO's PDF
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Mr. DODD. Mr. President, I wish to address, if I may, the subject matter of Haiti and the events that have occurred there over the last several days, now going back a week or more, in that country, that beleaguered nation only a few hundred miles off the southern coast of Florida.

On Sunday morning, as we now all know, the democratically elected government, the President of Haiti, was forced out of office. The armed insurrection, led by former members of the disbanded Haitian Army, and its paramilitary wing called FRAPH, made it impossible for the Aristide government to maintain public order, without assistance from the international community--international assistance that was consciously withheld, in my view.

President Aristide left Haiti on Sunday morning aboard an American aircraft. President Aristide reportedly has

GPO's PDF
gone into exile in the Central African Republic, where I am now being told he is not allowed to communicate with others outside of that country.
Members of the Black Caucus of the other body, and others who had an opportunity to speak with President Aristide yesterday, have publicly restated his claim that he was forcibly removed from Haiti by U.S. officials.

I quickly point out that Secretary of State Colin Powell and others have emphatically denied that charge. Such an allegation, if true, is extremely troubling and would be a gross violation of the laws of the U.S. and international law. Only time will tell. I presume there will be a thorough investigation to determine exactly what occurred from late Saturday night and early Sunday morning, regarding the departure and ouster of the President of Haiti, President Aristide.

Over the coming days, I believe an effort should be made to reconstruct what happened in the final 24 or 48 hours leading up to President Aristide's departure so we can resolve questions of the U.S. participation in the ouster of a democratically elected leader in this hemisphere.

Let's be clear that whether U.S. officials forcibly removed Aristide from Haiti, as he has charged, or he left voluntarily, as Secretary of Powell and others have stated, it is indisputable, based on everything we know, that the U.S. played a very direct and public role in pressuring him to leave office by making it clear that the United States would do nothing to protect him from the armed thugs who are threatening to kill him. His choice was simple: Stay in Haiti with no protection from the international community, including the U.S., and be killed or you can leave the country. That is hardly what I would call a voluntary decision to leave.

I will point out as well, if I can--and I know that international agreements are not always thought of as being terribly important in some people's minds. But in 1991, President Bush, the 41st President, along with other nations in this hemisphere, had signed the Santiago Declaration of 1991. That declaration, authored by the Organization of American States, said that any nation, democratically elected in this hemisphere, that seeks the help of others when they are threatened with an overthrow should be able to get that support.

Ten years later, the Inter-American Charter on Democracy was signed into law, a far more comprehensive proposal, again authored by the Organization of American States, the U.S. supporting. The present President Bush and our administration supported that. That charter on democracy stated that when asked for help by a democratically elected government being threatened with overthrow, we should respond.

President Aristide, a democratically elected President made that request and, of course, not only did we not provide assistance, in fact we sat back and watched as he left the country, offering assistance for him to depart.

I cite those international agreements because we think of our Nation as being a nation of laws, not of men. These agreements either meant something or they didn't. The Santiago Declaration and the Inter-American Charter on Democracy, apparently both documents mean little or nothing when it comes to supporting democratically elected governments in this hemisphere--not ones that you necessarily like or agree with or find everything they do is in your interest, but we do adhere to the notion that democratically elected governments are what we support in this hemisphere.

When they are challenged by violent thugs, people with records of violent human rights violations, engaged in death squad activity, in the very country they are now moving back

into and threatened, of course, successfully the elected government of President Aristide, then I think it is worthy of note that we have walked away from these international documents signed only 3 years ago and 10 years ago.

There is no doubt, I add, that President Aristide has made significant mistakes during his 3 years in office--these last 3 years. He allowed his supporters to use violence as a means of controlling a growing opposition movement against his government. The Haitian police were ill trained and ill equipped to maintain public order in the face of violent demonstrations by progovernment and antigovernment activists. Poverty, desperation, and opportunism led to wide government corruption.

President Aristide, in my view, must assume responsibility for these things. But did the cumulative effect of these failures amount to a decision that we thought we could no longer support this democratically elected government? If that becomes the standard in this hemisphere, we are going to find ourselves sitting by and watching one democratically elected government after another fall to those that breed chaos and remove governments with which they don't agree. They are being told by the Bush administration now that the Haitian Government was a government of failed leadership. That is a whole new standard when it comes to engaging in the kind of activity we have seen over the last several days.

Having been critical of President Aristide, I point out that he was elected twice overwhelmingly in his country. He was thrown out of office in a coup in the early 1990s. Through the efforts of the U.S. Government and others, he was brought back to power in Haiti. Then he gave up power when the government of President Preval was elected. During those 4 years, President Aristide supported that transitional government. He ran again himself, as the Haitian Constitution allowed, and was elected overwhelmingly again, despite the fact the opposition posed little or no efforts to stand against him.

There was a very bad election that occurred in the spring of 2000, in which eight members of the Haitian Senate were elected by fraud. Those Senators were removed from office. Six months later, President Aristide was elected overwhelmingly again. It is the first time I know of in the 200-year history of Haiti as an independent nation where a President turned over power transitionally peacefully to another democratically elected government. Whatever other complaints there are--and they are not illegitimate about the Aristide government--there was a peaceful transition of democratically elected governments in Haiti. That never, ever happened before. What has happened there repeatedly is one coup after another--33 over the 200-year history of that nation.

Whatever shortcomings they may have had, President Aristide provided for the first time in Haiti's history a democratically elected government transitioning power to other people peacefully. I will also point out that he abolished the military and the army, an institution that did nothing but drain the feeble economy of Haiti of necessary resources.

Haiti did not have a need for an army. There were no threats to Haiti. In retrospect, he may regret that. But the army, in my view, was a waste of money in Haiti, served no legitimate purpose, and President Aristide should be

commended for abolishing an institution that had been the source of constant corruption and difficulty on that nation.

Blame for the chaos does not rest solely on the shoulders of President Aristide. The so-called democratic opposition bears a share of the responsibility for the death and destruction that has wreaked havoc throughout Haiti over the past several weeks.

The members of CARICOM, with U.S. backing, put on the table a plan calling for the establishment of a unity government to defuse the political crisis. The opposition rejected this proposal on three different occasions, despite the fact that President Aristide said he was willing to have a government of unity, to give up power, to share governmental functions with the opposition. The opposition said no on three different occasions, despite the fact that the nations of the Caribbean region urged the opposition to avoid the kind of transition that we have seen over the last several days.

A hundred or more Haitians already have lost their lives. Property damage may be in the millions. Given the direct role the U.S. played in the removal of the Aristide government, it is now President Bush's responsibility, in my view, and moral obligation to take charge of this situation. That means more than sending a couple hundred marines for 90 days or so into Haiti. Rather, it means a sustained commitment of personnel and resources for the

GPO's PDF
foreseeable future by the U.S. and other members of the international community that called for the removal of the elected government.
If the Bush administration and others inside and outside of Haiti had been at all concerned over the last 3 weeks about the fate of the Haitian people, perhaps the situation would not have deteriorated into near anarchy, nor would the obligation of the U.S. to clean up this mess now loom so large.

We are now reaping what we have sown. Three years of a hands-off policy left Haiti unstable, with a power vacuum that will be filled in one way or another. Will that vacuum be filled by individuals such as Guy Philippe, a former member of the disbanded Haitian Army, a notorious human rights abuser and drug trafficker, or is the administration prepared to take action against him and his followers, based upon a long record of criminal behavior?

It is rather amazing to this Senator that the administration has said little or nothing about its plans for cracking down on the armed thugs who have terrorized Haiti since February 5.

Only with careful attention by the United States and the international community does Haiti have a fighting chance to break from its tragic history. In the best of circumstances, it is never easy to build and nurture democratic institutions where they are weak and nonexistent. When ignorance, intolerance, and poverty are part of the very fabric of a nation, as is the case in Haiti, it is Herculean.

Given the mentality of the political elites in Haiti--one of winner take all--I, frankly, believe it is going to be extremely difficult to form a unity government that has any likelihood of being able to govern for any period of time without resorting to repressive measures against those who have been excluded from the process.

It brings me no pleasure to say at this juncture that Haiti is failing, if not a failed state. The United Nations Security Council has authorized the deployment of peacekeepers to Haiti to stabilize the situation. I would go a step further and urge the Haitian authorities to consider sharing authority with an international administration authorized by the United Nations in order to create the conditions necessary to give any future Government of Haiti a fighting chance at succeeding. The United States must lead in this multinational initiative, as Australia did, I might point out, in the case of East Timor; not as Secretary Defense Rumsfeld suggested yesterday: Wait for someone else to step up to the plate to take the lead. It will require substantial, sustained commitment of resources by the United States and the international community if we are to be successful.

The jury is out as to whether the Bush administration is prepared to remain engaged in Haiti. Only in the eleventh hour did Secretary of State Colin Powell focus his attention on Haiti as he personally organized the pressure which led to President Aristide's resignation on Sunday. Unless Secretary Powell is equally committed to remaining engaged in the rebuilding of that country, then I see little likelihood that anything is going to change for the Haitian people. The coming days and weeks will tell whether the Bush administration is as concerned about strengthening and supporting democracy in our own hemisphere as it claims to be in other more distant places around the globe. The people of this hemisphere are watching and waiting.

I yield the floor
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #41
48. We shouldn't be strengthing and supporting any kinds of governments.
What other countries do is not our business (unless you are a GOP imperialist).

Another country's government, military, beliefs, turmoils, votes, etc are NOT our business.

Your mindset is why the U.S. has been playing world policeman for so long.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:40 PM
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38. Putting the rich U. S. citizens first has destroyed the rest of the world
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:48 PM
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40. Who's talking about giving to the rich U.S. citizens?
Work on your reading comprehension. I said NEEDY U.S. citizens.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. You are the one that needs to work on comprehension skills
We allow the destruction of countries like Haiti so the U. S. rich folk can have more of EVERYTHING at a very cheap price
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. Again, Irrelevant.
Our citizens come first.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:58 PM
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49. Haiti: Drugs, Thugs, the CIA, and the Deterrence of Democracy



There's a reason the BFEE wants Aristide out of Haiti:
He interferes with the Bushco Division of Drug-running.

HAITI: DRUGS,THUGS, THE C.I.A., AND THE DETERRENCE OF DEMOCRACY
...

After the October 30, 1993 deadline to restore duly-elected President Jean-Bertrand Aristide passed unrealized, observers reported an increasing sense of fear and despair. More than 4,000 civilians have been killed since the 1991 bloody military coup which ousted Aristide. Few Americans are aware of our secret involvement in Haitian politics, nor the impact those policies have had on the US.

Some of the high military officials involved in the coup have been on the CIA's payroll from "the mid-1980s at least until the 1991 coup..." According to one government official, "Several of the principal players of the current situation were compensated by the US government."

Further, the CIA "tried to intervene in Haiti's election with a covert- action program that would have undercut the political strength" of Aristide. The aborted attempt to influence the 1988 election was authorized by then-President Ronald Reagan and the National Security Council. The program was blocked by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in a rare move.

Next, a confidential Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) report revealed that Haiti is "a major transshipment point for cocaine traffickers" who are funneling drugs from Colombia and the Dominican Republic into the United States. The DEA report also revealed that the drug trafficking, which is bringing one to four tons of cocaine per month into the US, worth $300-$500 million annually, is taking place with "the knowledge and active involvement of high military officials and business elites."

CONTINUED...

http://www.netti.fi/~makako/mind/haiti1.htm
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:59 PM
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50. So we agree, that the U.S. should stay out of other country's affairs
Good.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 05:00 PM
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52. BUT WE MUST MAKE AMENDS FOR THE DAMAGE WE'VE DONE
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 05:01 PM by seemslikeadream
Haiti’s Nightmare: The Cocaine Coup & The CIA Connection


Aristide’s electrifying accusations opened the floodgate of even more sinister revelations. Massachusetts senator John Kerry heads a subcommittee concerned with international terrorism and drug trafficking that turned up collusion between the CIA and drug traffickers during the late 1980s’ Iran Contra hearings.

Kerry had developed detailed information on drug trafficking by Haiti’s military rulers that led to the indictment in Miami in 1988, of Lt. Col. Jean Paul. The indictment was a major embarrassment to the Haitian military, especially since Paul defiantly refused to surrender to U.S. authorities. It was just a month before thousands of U.S. troops invaded Panama and arrested Manuel Noriega who, like Col. Paul, was also under indictment for drug trafficking in Florida.

In November 1989, Col. Paul was found dead after he consumed a traditional Haitian good will gift—a bowel of pumpkin soup. Haitian officials accused Paul’s wife of the murder, apparently because she had been cheated out of her share of a cocaine deal by associates of her husband, who were involved in smuggling through Miami.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3524444.stm

The U.S. senate also heard testimony in 1988 that then interior minister, Gen. Williams Regala, and his DEA liaison officer, protected and supervised cocaine shipments. The testimony also charged the then Haitian military commander Gen. Henry Namphy with accepting bribes from Colombian traffickers in return for landing rights in the mid 1980’s.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43a/415.html
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 05:04 PM
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53. No we don't
Especially when we have people here hungry, sick and without insurance, homeless, needing protection, and without any education or work opportunities.

You are just advocating more interference in other peoples countries. Maybe for "good" reasons, but it's still interference.

Like I said, when our own needy families and friends are taken care of, then the government can attempt to save the world.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 05:06 PM
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54. then the government can attempt to save the world.
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 05:08 PM by seemslikeadream
but they must stop interfering and they NEVER WILL, you are just too naive








US and France Kiss and Makeup, Haitian Democracy Dies
by Justin Felux
www.dissidentvoice.org
March 6, 2004


Leave it to the New York Times to turn the bloody overthrow of a democratically elected President into a veritable love story. In an article published on March 3rd entitled "U.S. and France Set Aside Differences in Effort to Resolve Haiti Conflict" the newspaper of record reported that "the joint diplomacy over Haiti is a dramatic example of how the longtime allies can set aside differences, find common ground, play to their strengths and even operate in an atmosphere of trust." The story goes on to weave a tale so charming and rosy that one would never guess scores of people were being needlessly slaughtered in the background.


Dominique de Villepin, the French foreign minister, described Aristide's ouster as being the result of "perfect coordination" between the U.S. and France. In addition, "Mr. Bush telephoned Mr. Chirac to express delight over 'the excellent French-American cooperation in Haiti' and to 'thank France for its action.'" Colin Powell and Dominique de Villepin also managed to mend fences during the crisis: "During the Iraq crisis, Mr. Powell and Mr. de Villepin each felt betrayed by the other. . . But that was then. The Haiti crisis has required Mr. Powell and Mr. de Villepin to consult regularly by phone, sometimes more than once a day."


Am I the only one who finds this disgusting? They should have taken it a step further and described the way Colin's heart would begin to race when he picked up the phone and heard Dominique's voice on the other end. Colin never felt comfortable having to constantly worry whether or not Dominique was still mad at him. They could also describe how Dominique longed for the days when he and Colin used to be friends, and how he could scarcely remember the last time they smiled at one another. Ever since they got into that fight about Iraq their relationship hadn't been the same. Colin seemed so cold and distant.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Mar04/Felux0306.htm
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 05:07 PM
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56. No, you are naive to think that any help will come without strings attached.
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 05:07 PM by cobalt1999
So, therefore, we both agree that we should stop interfering. Again, good.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 05:09 PM
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57. I said nothing about strings "They went home." She made a face. "To die."
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 05:10 PM by seemslikeadream
Here's an excellent recap of what's going on for those who haven't understood as well as you and the many DUers who care so very much. Third World Traveler is an EXCELLENT resource on many issues of interest, BTW:

Trials of Haiti

by Tracy Kidder
The Nation magazine, October 27, 2003

EXCERPT...

All over Haiti, you see boys and girls carrying water, balancing plastic buckets on their heads as they trek long distances up and down the hillsides of Port-au-Prince or climb steep footpaths in the countryside. Many of the water-carriers are orphans, known as restavek-children who work as indentured servants for poor families. Contaminated water is one of the causes of Haiti's extremely high rate of maternal mortality, the main reason there are so many orphans available for carrying water. "Sanitation service systems are almost nonexistent," reads one development report. Many Haitians drink from rivers or polluted wells or stagnant reservoirs, adding citron, key lime juice, in the belief that this will make the water safe. The results are epidemic levels of diseases such as typhoid, and a great deal of acute and chronic diarrhea, which tends to flourish among children under 5, especially ones who are malnourished. Hunger is rampant. "Haitians today are estimated to be the fourth most undernourished people on earth, after Eritrea, Ethiopia, and Somalia," the World Bank reported in 2002. The cures for many water-borne ailments are simple. But in Haiti, it's estimated (almost certainly overestimated) that only 60 percent have access even to rudimentary healthcare. In the countryside, the vast majority have to travel at least an hour, over paths and main roads that resemble dry riverbeds, to reach health centers, which not only charge fees that most can't afford to pay but also lack the most basic provisions.

Last winter, I visited the centerpiece of Haiti's public health system, the University Hospital in Port-au-Prince. It was founded in 1918, during the time when American Marines occupied and essentially ran the country. It's a large complex of concrete buildings in the center of the city, and it seemed to be open when I arrived. My Haitian guide and I strolled over toward the pediatric wing. It seemed unnaturally quiet. No babies crying. Inside, the reason was obvious. There were no doctors or nurses or patients in sight, only a young male custodian, who explained that the doctors had recently ended a strike but that the nurses had now launched one of their own. Strikes at the hospital are frequent; this one had to do with current political strife.

"Where did the sick children go?" I asked my Haitian guide.

"They went home." She made a face. "To die."

We walked past rows of empty metal cribs, and then, turning a corner, down at the end of a long row of old metal beds with bare, stained mattresses, we saw a lone patient. A girl Iying on her side, very thin in the arms and legs, with a swollen belly. Her mother, standing beside the bed, explained that the girl had been sick for a long time. The doctors said she had typhoid. When the strike began, the mother and daughter had simply stayed, because the mother didn't know what else to do. But a doctor did stop in now and then, and had left behind some pills. At the hospital, the morgue, at least, was functioning. I looked into the one reserved for victims of diseases, mostly diseases that could have been prevented or cured. The door was made of corroded metal, like the door to a meat locker. The room inside was filled with trays on racks, stacked horizontally, several bodies per tray, the majority children, the little girls still in their dresses, bows in the hair.

Diarrhea alone kills sixty-eight Haitian children out of every 1,000 before the age of 5. Did many of the people in the morgue die because of dirty water? I asked the medical director.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Caribbean/Trials_Haiti_Kidder.html
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. I'll say it yet again.
Once our citizens have food, clothing, homes, and the basics of life, then and ONLY then should we be trying to save the world.

There are millions of sad stories out there. Unfortunately many of them are right here in our own country.

If you want to help hurricane victims, LA is full of them.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. The only people standing in the way of our citizens getting want they need
is the real U.S. elite
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 05:41 PM
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61. Well, on that we agree.
...and this seems like a good way to end this.

We have different viewpoints on the issue, but I can understand where you are coming from.

bye :hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:53 PM
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44. The Truth about Haiti - Ms. Barbara Lee on the House floor March 02, 2004)
The Truth about Haiti - Ms. Barbara Lee on the House floor
HELP HAITI -- (House of Representatives - March 02, 2004)


GPO's PDF
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The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mrs. Blackburn). Under a previous order of the House, the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Lee) is recognized for 5 minutes.

Ms. LEE. Madam Speaker, first, let me thank Members of Congress tonight, the Congressional Black Caucus, the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Conyers) for our focus and for leading this effort not only tonight but over the years with regard to Haiti.

Of course, Haiti tonight is on the minds and in the hearts of the international community, of many of us here in Congress and throughout the country. And tonight I want to first ask and raise concern for the safety and for the security of President Aristide and Mrs. Aristide and for their family. Given the circumstances of their departure, I think it is appropriate that we be concerned about their safety and insist that our government ensure that they not be put in harm's way.

For many years now we have consistently attempted to increase the Congress's role, the administration's role with regard to engagement with Haiti. We have asked over and over again for immediate humanitarian assistance, development assistance, infrastructure assistance. Really, all of those efforts to allow the Haitian people to live, to survive, and to move forward. Yet, repeatedly, over and over and over again, this administration has blocked any type of assistance, has embargoed efforts to ensure that the Haitian people receive the funding that they have negotiated, every single time. This administration went to the international community and blocked from the world the type of aid and assistance and economic development that Haiti needs.

It is unbelievable the type of circling of the wagons that we have seen as it relates to Haiti. Now, unfortunately, our country has helped to ensure that democratically elected president of Haiti was overthrown and this is totally unacceptable. What I have seen in the last few years is that really this country was setting up the situation which has occurred over the last few weeks. It really has helped democracy fail in Haiti, and that to me is a shame and it is a disgrace. Over and over again this administration has undermined and undercut President Aristide's attempts at social and economic development and the political challenges that have devastated his country. Over and over again I witnessed President Aristide comply with all of the requirements of the United States. One month it was this. The next month it was that. The next month it was something else. The Haitian government continually complied, continually stepped up to the plate even when it caused some discussions and some turmoil in their own country as a result of, for instance, having to raise the price of gasoline so that the international banks would be satisfied so that they could get the money that then negotiated for their loans. Outrageous kinds of requirements this country put on the Haitian government. Yet, still President Aristide responded and complied.

So what we have witnessed over the last couple of weeks really was the march to a coup d'etat. We witnessed the execution of a plan that I believe was really developed by, of course, those; and we are having hearings tomorrow so we will begin to expose and at least ask the questions, but it was the execution of a plan that we saw, I remember I think during the 1980s around Nicaragua, around some of the attempts to overthrow governments in Latin America, the U.S. ambassador, Negroponte, and Noriega who then was Senator Helm's person. We see many of the same kinds of players in place. And so, unfortunately, I am seeing an updated repeated performance of what we saw in the 1980s in Latin America. And, yes, this country has said that central to its foreign policy is regime change. That is a public kind of policy. And regime change manifests itself in many, many ways.

If I were Venezuela or Brazil, not to mention Cuba, I would be a bit concerned with what we know now and what we see taking place in terms of how the execution of a regime change, foreign policy takes place.

Finally, let me just say, when Secretary Powell says, it is nonsense and we are engaged in conspiracy theories, I would ask people to look at the ``U.S. War Against Haiti, Hidden From the Headlines.'' These are the facts. We will begin to expose it tomorrow.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r108:68:./temp/~r... ::
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:52 PM
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43. The US has been interfering in Haiti from the beginning
of the last century.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:54 PM
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46. Why They Had to Crush Aristide
Why They Had to Crush Aristide
Haiti's Elected Leader was Regarded as a Threat by France and the US

by Peter Hallward

Jean-Bertrand Aristide was re-elected president of Haiti in November 2000 with more than 90% of the vote. He was elected by people who approved his courageous dissolution, in 1995, of the armed forces that had long terrorized Haiti and had overthrown his first administration. He was elected by people who supported his tentative efforts, made with virtually no resources or revenue, to invest in education and health. He was elected by people who shared his determination, in the face of crippling US opposition, to improve the conditions of the most poorly paid workers in the western hemisphere.



It's obvious that Aristide's expulsion offered Jacques Chirac a long-awaited chance to restore relations with an American administration he dared to oppose over the attack on Iraq. It's even more obvious that the characterization of Aristide as yet another crazed idealist corrupted by absolute power sits perfectly with the political vision championed by George Bush, and that the Haitian leader's downfall should open the door to a yet more ruthless exploitation of Latin American labor....


One of the reasons why Aristide has been consistently vilified in the press is that the Reuters and AP wire services, on which most coverage depends, rely on local media, which are all owned by Aristide's opponents. Another, more important, reason for the vilification is that Aristide never learned to pander unreservedly to foreign commercial interests. He reluctantly accepted a series of severe IMF structural adjustment plans, to the dismay of the working poor, but he refused to acquiesce in the indiscriminate privatization of state resources, and stuck to his guns over wages, education and health.....

Worst of all, he remained indelibly associated with what's left of a genuine popular movement for political and economic empowerment. For this reason alone, it was essential that he not only be forced from office but utterly discredited in the eyes of his people and the world. As Noam Chomsky has said, the "threat of a good example" solicits measures of retaliation that bear no relation to the strategic or economic importance of the country in question. This is why the leaders of the world have joined together to crush a democracy in the name of democracy.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0302-08.htm
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:57 PM
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47. Aristide was also demanding the money owned to
the Republic by the French. They were glad to get rid of him.
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CLG_News Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:56 PM
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22. K&R and, btw, how much oil is there in Haiti? n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:58 PM
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24. No oil but lots and lots of cheap cheap labor
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CLG_News Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:07 PM
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25. I was being sardonic - Bush only helps whereupon he can get....
Exxon Mobil, Halliburton, KBR and Blackwater contracts.
:)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:10 PM
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26. I know love you're one of the best
:hug:
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:26 PM
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32. haiti
doesn't have oil or russia to stir up for mcPenis. PRIORITIES!
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viking11 Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:32 PM
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34. Give credit where it is due
Bush of Africa
Editorial of The New York Sun | February 15, 2008


President Bush's sense of mission to improve the lives of the people of the Middle East has attracted so much attention that the Wall Street Journal called him "Bush of Arabia" the other day over an article by Fouad Ajami. Less widely appreciated are Mr. Bush's achievements in Africa, which are worth marking as the president embarks today on a visit that is scheduled to include trips to Benin, Tanzania, Rwanda, Ghana, and Liberia. Mr. Bush has committed $15 billion to fight AIDS and HIV in Africa, and the result is that the number of Africans benefiting from anti-retroviral drugs has soared to 1.3 million today from 50,000 a few years ago. A similar effort is under way to fight malaria, with similarly promising results.


http://www.nysun.com/editorials/bush-of-africa/71401/
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 05:06 PM
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55. Haiti doesn't have an oil pipeline and helping them won't piss of the Bear
n/t.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 05:14 PM
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58. Hati isint an ally against Russian expansion into europe or a staging area for Iraq/Afganistan
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 05:44 PM
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62. No, for once Chimpy must be let off the hook
It's not race; it's that there is no oil and no convenient big bogeyman enemy. If they discover oil there, suddenly they will "need" a ton of our help.

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