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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 03:09 PM
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Why We're Planning to Prosecute Cheney and Bush
Next weekend in Andover, Mass., a group of attorneys, academics, and activists will gather to plan the prosecution of Dick Cheney, George Bush, and the lawyers and advisors who, together with them, are responsible for war crimes. The conference is open to the public and expected to be well attended: http://war-crimes.info

I can't speak for everyone involved, but I can tell you why I'll be there. If I thought we could deter future presidents and vice presidents from abusing power by giving Cheney and Bush immunity for life, billion dollar pensions, and royal crowns, then that is exactly what I would propose we do. In fact, if there were just about anything that we could do that I thought would have that deterrent effect, I would advocate for it. I would give my life for it. I take the matter this seriously because we are preparing to hand what Michael Goldfarb, Deputy Communications Director for presidential candidate John McCain, approvingly calls "near dictatorial power" to every future president and vice president at a moment in history in which the twin dangers of global warming and nuclear war threaten us far more seriously than has any nation with which ours has ever clashed.

I am adamantly opposed to the possibility of imposing the death penalty on anyone, no matter what they are convicted of, because it has been shown to encourage violence rather than to deter it. Future presidents are not more likely to refrain from abusing power if they might be executed than if they might be imprisoned for life. If they are imprisoned for life, they can express their regrets in ways that their successors can understand. If they are killed, we will be the ones killing them, and we will thereby send a message to everyone that violence and vengeance are appropriate and admirable. Vengeance disgusts me. Bush and Cheney bore me. What interests me and inflames me is the desire to establish the rule of law, not for its own sake but in order to promote peace, fairness, human rights, and human survival.

Now, we may have an honest and verifiable election in November, although I can't see how. And we may elect a president and vice president who abide fully by the Constitution, the treaties our nation has ratified, and the laws that are on the books, although that seems highly unlikely. We might even see unconstitutional laws repealed, tyrannical executive orders torn up, and the Constitution amended to strengthen checks on power and expand the democratic influence of the people, although if you believe all that I've got a quick little cakewalk of a war to sell you. But think for a minute what message all those successes would send to future presidents and vice presidents and their subordinates: If you break the law, the punishment shall be that the duumvirate immediately following yours will not break the law. Oh, the horror! I can almost feel the terror gripping the spine of every future Dick Cheney and George W. Bush who will claim the throne throughout the remaining short life of our dying republic. "Nooooooo! Don't say that the next chump who comes after us won't get to be a war president! We can't stand such agony!"

In a December 31, 2007, editorial, the New York Times faulted the current president and vice president of the United States for kidnapping innocent people, denying justice to prisoners, torturing, murdering, circumventing U.S. and international law, spying in violation of the Fourth Amendment, and basing their actions on "imperial fantasies." If the editorial had been about Bush and Cheney robbing a liquor store or killing a small number of people or robbing a small amount of money or torturing a single child, then the writers at the New York Times would have demanded immediate prosecution and incarceration. Can you guess what they actually demanded? They demanded that we sit back and hope the next president and vice president will be better. Well, what if they are? The next guy who walked into the liquor store or played with the child would be better too. But how does that fact deter future crimes?

Well, we can announce new policies, pass new legislation, amend the Constitution. We can shift power to the Congress, and clean up our electoral system to allow real representation of the people in the Congress. We can shift our resources from the military to peaceful enterprises. We can eliminate secret government and create total transparency. We can perfect the brilliant cutting-edge democratic system that our nation created over two centuries ago and has done little to update since. We can put an end to plutocracy, reclaim our airwaves, ban war propaganda, and develop wholly different public attitudes toward those 95.5 percent of people in the world who are not Americans. And so we should. But even if we could do all of those things instantly, it would not be sufficient to chain the dogs of war. Exquisite laws and enlightened public attitudes are of no use at all as long as presidents and vice presidents suffer no penalty for disobeying them, and in fact benefit politically and financially.

Of course, in reality, we cannot reform our war government instantly, and we will be hard pressed to prevent even greater damage to our representative system as long as wars are going on. We are as likely to see President John McCain cheering for more wars in January as we are to see President Obama mumbling about moving wars from one country to another. If Obama loses or has his victory stolen, the Democrats will take everything they did wrong these past several years and redouble their commitment to screwing up even worse next time. Ending wars and impeaching criminal presidents will be even further "off the table," while patriotism, religion, and militarism will be on the rise. If, on the other hand, the Democrats win in November, they'll react exactly the same way. Their primary interest as soon as any election is won is winning the next one, and their only focus outside of the White House is on controlling the partisan re-gerrymandering of districts in 2012. I wish that this focus on each subsequent election could be seen as a sign of health in our democracy, but in the corrupt, money-laden, media-mangled, party-powered system we have, voters' choices are minimal, and the total focus on elections amounts to a total abandonment of governing in between elections.

During the Democratic primaries, Senator Obama said he'd have his attorney general look into the possibility that Bush and Cheney had committed crimes, but that as far as he knew they hadn't committed any. At the same time, Obama promised not to commit some of the same crimes himself. He later voted to give telecom companies immunity for cooperating with some of the crimes. This past week Obama's vice-presidential running-mate Joe Biden said that he, too, didn't know of any crimes that had been committed, but that an Obama-Biden administration would look into the question. He also promised a justice department that would no longer commit crimes. The day after Biden made these nonsensical remarks, he went on TV to insist that an Obama-Biden administration has no intention of prosecuting Bush and Cheney.

There's a much more serious potential road block to domestic criminal prosecution than Barack Obama's belief that Bush and Cheney's crimes should be hushed up, namely the possibility that Bush will issue blanket pardons of anyone who engaged in crimes he authorized, including himself. If such a pardon strikes you as a sick joke, I'm with you. But signing statements and military tribunals and pentagon pundits and a partisan justice department and ATM companies building election machines without the safeguards that ATMs have would have all sounded like sick jokes if they weren't real. Without admitting that Bush or anyone else has committed any crimes, Obama or McCain could take a position against any president, himself included, ever pardoning anyone for a crime that the president authorizes. Congress, or at least the House of Representatives, could stop vacationing and pass legislation forbidding such pardons. Lawyers and Constitutional experts could publish op-eds in major newspapers on the unacceptability of such pardons. A massive movement in the coming months to raise public pressure against pardons makes at least as much sense as continuing to ask Congress to pretty please "end the war," as if Congress will ever do anything about wars other than what the president tells it to do. A focus on pardons at least begins to limit the power of the individual holding all the power. Congress, unless it is restored to power, serves -- at best -- as just more people lobbying the president.

Now, blanket pardons or self-pardons could be challenged. There may be local and state and civil prosecutions possible despite pardons and strengthened by pardons. And prosecution by a foreign country or the International Criminal Court (ICC) is a possibility as well. With Obama and Biden suggesting they will "investigate" whether any crimes have been committed, there is no reason that they could not, without even joining the ICC or admitting that they know about the crimes, publicly commit to NOT vetoing at the United Nations any investigations that the ICC might choose to pursue. That commitment is a second demand that we can make of the candidates for emperor.

Some have expressed concern that when Cheney and Bush leave office they will destroy lots of evidence of their crimes. I do not share this concern, because they already have destroyed lots of such evidence, and nonetheless more than enough such evidence is in the public realm. We do not need any more, but do badly need to shake off the myth that we need any more. And there is something that cannot be destroyed: the many potential whistleblowers who have been keeping their mouths shut. We should not be relying on Congress. We should not be funneling our money through electoral campaigns and into TV ads on television networks that are destroying our country. We should be establishing a whistleblower protection fund that can guarantee financial security and legal defense to those considering blowing the whistle on their superiors.

As far as Congress goes, we should be demanding a commitment that the endless charades they have gone through with subpoenas and contempt citations for the past two years, while conscientiously avoiding impeachment, will not be dropped along with the ball in Times Square on New Year's Eve. "Executive privilege" loses even the slightest aura of respectability once the executive is guzzling beers on golf courses for a living. The committee chairmen and the House and Senate leaders who have authorized subpoenas and contempt citations only to be mocked and laughed at by the gang of pirates who will set sail in January must be compelled to publicly commit to re-issuing the same once the new justice department is in place.

There are also a variety of ways in which citizens can file suit. My friend John Bonifaz served as attorney on a law suit against the President before the invasion of Iraq on behalf of Congress members and military families claiming an invasion would be unconstitutional without a proper congressional declaration of war. John consulted in 2007 with a professor at Rutgers University, who worked up a case with his students for a full year, and in 2008 filed it in Federal District Court in Newark, New Jersey. The Complaint, filed on behalf of a number of peace groups, seeks a Declaratory Judgment that the President’s decision to launch a preemptive war against a sovereign nation in 2003 violated Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution, which assigns to Congress the power to Declare War. Every peace and justice group in the country should be working with lawyers, choosing their favorite Cheney-Bush crime, and filing a suit, the point being to change the public conversation until we reach the point that a prosecutor will act.

There is also a procedure called Qui Tam found in the Federal False Claims Act that allows individual citizens to sue if the government spends money fraudulently, and to receive a percentage of any funds recovered. Such a suit could conceivable be filed, or perhaps hundreds of such suits could be filed, against government officials, including Dick Cheney, who set up illegal contracts with Halliburton and other corporations, including contracts to spend in Iraq funding that had been legally appropriated for Afghanistan.

Prosecution is also possible in foreign nations. In May 2008 in Milano, Italy, 25 CIA agents and an Air Force colonel went on trial in absentia for kidnapping a man on an Italian street and renditioning him to Egypt to be tortured. The victim's wife testified for over six hours. A newspaper report read:

"Nabila at first rebuffed prosecutors' requests to describe the torture her husband had recounted, saying she didn't want to talk about it. Advised by prosecutors that she had no choice, she tearfully proceeded: 'He was tied up like he was being crucified. He was beaten up, especially around his ears. He was subject to electroshocks to many body parts.'
"'To his genitals?' the prosecutors asked.
"'Yes,' she replied."

The judge said that the current and immediate past prime ministers of Italy would be required to testify during the trial.

Foreign victims can also sue in U.S. courts. Also in May 2008, an Iraqi sued U.S. contractors for torture. Emad al-Janabi's federal lawsuit was filed in Los Angeles and claimed that employees of CACI International Inc. and L-3 Communications punched him, slammed him into walls, hung him from a bed frame and kept him naked and handcuffed in his cell. In July, three more Iraqis and a Jordanian who had been held and tortured in Abu Ghraib for years before being released without charges filed similar suits. Alleged methods of torture by the U.S. contractors included: electric shock, beatings, depriving of food and sleep, threatening with dogs, stripping naked, forcibly shaving, choking, being forced to witness murder, pouring feces on, holding down and sodomizing (a 14-year-old boy) with a toothbrush, being paraded naked before other prisoners, forcing to consume so much water that you vomit blood and faint, and tying a plastic line around your penis to prevent urination.

And on August 15, 2008, the Second Circuit Court of Appeals in New York announced that it would hear the case against the United States of Canadian victim of U.S. torture Maher Arar. His suit names, among others, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, former Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson, and former head of "Homeland Security" Tom Ridge.

We can also work at the local level to follow the example of Brattleboro, Vt., passing ordinances making it the law that if Bush, Cheney, or key co-conspirators enter our towns they will be arrested.

And we can make citizens arrests all on our own right now: http://afterdowningstreet.org/citizenarrest

Judge William Price in Iowa in July heard the case of people who had been arrested for trying to make a citizens' arrest of Karl Rove. When told what they were charged with, the judge remarked "Well, it's about time!"

And it's about time we put together a serious plan to establish the rule of law at home and abroad. I'll see you in Andover next weekend.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 03:14 PM
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1. Good Luck!
It needs to be done...the world is watching.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 01:40 AM
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36. Against death penalty too but draw the line at mass murder for power.
That is an abomination and if they set us up to lie us into a war and go on lying about it top keep us there while millions are killed displaced and wounded then I also believe they would orchestrate 9/11 where they stood to gain power for decades and at least $13 trillion...then they deserve to be hanged, like all the political mass murderers before them. I would erase them from the earth and I'm not one to hod a grudge but I saw the pictures of all the dead and wounded children from shock and awe, and those are just a few they have killed.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 03:16 PM
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2. "we may have an honest and verifiable election in November"
LOL
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 03:19 PM
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3. You guys are going to do it. Great!
Edited on Fri Sep-05-08 03:26 PM by Cleita
Please keep us posted as to the results.

On edit: I want to add that I don't want to see the death penalty applied either, but maybe seizing the assets of their fortunes for reparations to their victims, prison time and stripping them of any licenses they may have like disbarring attorneys (like they did to Clinton) should be used instead, so that they can never come back and do this again. It should serve as a deterrent to other would be gangster kings as well.
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 01:08 AM
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31. A friend of mine who is a psychiatrist and I were talking about the
death penalty and he and I were in agreement that the DP was not a deterrent (he advises the county and municipal jail systems ). He did say , however, that if we were going to keep the DP and of course it looks like we will for a very long time, that we should go back to public executions. He felt that we needed to see what is done in our name - 'we the people'.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 01:19 AM
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32. I don't think it would work any better than it did when executions
were public. People enjoyed the spectacle more than they were repulsed by it.
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 01:22 AM
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34. You're probably right - we are Romans with our 'bread and circuses'
delighting in the suffering of others - I don't mean you and me - it's the others. hehe
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:02 AM
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39. I agree! Their Assets must be seized.
I do not know the exact number of BushCo Associates that should be tried. I do know that many of them have committed treason and sedition. It is sad the the House refuses to impeach the top two. I am certain that the assets of George and Dick could easily be around 300 million.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 03:25 PM
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4. Kick, Recommend, and THANK YOU!!!! n/t
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 03:27 PM
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5. I am grateful for the work you are doing. Thank you! K&R n/t
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 03:33 PM
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6. The Qui Tam thing
Dude, that could be the Powerball lottery for some clever lawyers! There are some mass tort guys out there lookin for a new gig - we've certainly paid for plenty of ambulances for them to chase!!!!!

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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 03:33 PM
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7. TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 118 > § 2441
US Law Concerning War Crimes

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 118 > § 2441

§ 2441. War crimes

(a) Offense.— Whoever, whether inside or outside the United States, commits a war crime, in any of the circumstances described in subsection (b), shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for life or any term of years, or both, and if death results to the victim, shall also be subject to the penalty of death.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 06:08 PM
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12. very nice. n/t
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 03:43 PM
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8. This is awesome. I want to hear what happened!
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 04:19 PM
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9. K&R
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 04:25 PM
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10. *******K&R*******
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 05:50 PM
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11. KnR. I wish you all the best. I have almost lost hope for this nation, and am so glad that...
... you and your cohorts are on this job.

Hekate

:kick:
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 06:22 PM
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13. K & R, thanks for this thread, David Swanson.
It truly would be something if this election is on the up & up, after the last two...I'm encouraged that there are still true patriots & I love my state all the more for it! Go Andover! It's gotta come from WE THE PEOPLE, I'm thankful for the collaboration of these legal minds & will be looking forward to hearing more.
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 06:25 PM
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14. If you actually pull this off, take pictures!
Good luck! :yourock: :patriot:
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 06:30 PM
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15. I stopped reading halfway through...
Edited on Fri Sep-05-08 06:30 PM by FlyingSquirrel
It was too much truth for me. I CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

(But I'll give you a rec for people who still can.)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:21 PM
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19. We "Truth Impared" are suffering so much these days...it's hard to cope...and that's the TRUTH...
:shrug: "So Long Since I've Been DOWN...I don't know anymore which way is UP."
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 06:33 PM
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16. K & R
Great work.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:13 PM
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17. NOT an optimistic K&R... I've been down so long...n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:20 PM
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18. As Springsteen Sings: "Keep your Eyes on the Prize!" Thanks David, for this...
It means alot.. K&R!
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:59 PM
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20. Man, I wish I could attend...
Edited on Fri Sep-05-08 10:10 PM by SDuderstadt
if only to hear Vincent Bugliosi speak. I have not had a chance to read his book, but my best friend recommends it. Good luck to you, David and we'll be waiting to hear how well it goes. I would love to see both Bush and Cheney indicted and convicted.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:20 PM
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21. Thank you. It is about time.
Many prayers for all involved in achieving this action that many are supporting.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:30 PM
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22. Any chance of C-Span covering the conference? nt
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:56 PM
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23. Buttttt, I don't think Dubai and Paraguay have extradition treaties with us. nm
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 11:03 PM
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24. EXCELLENT, DAVID!! Thank you for letting us know about this.
And keep up the good work!! You are a true patriot!


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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 11:28 PM
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25. How about life on welfare and confined to the "hood" for these criminals?
Strip them of their Secret Service and make them live on Welfare for the rest of their lives in only inner city high crime 'hoods'. Their sense of entitlement even in that situation would be worse than Pesci in "The Super" and they'd either learn humility or become statistics.



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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 11:38 PM
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26. Right on! The only other thing that's made me smile in weeks was Obama's speech last week. n/t
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 11:39 PM
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27. Go with God!
Thanks for posting.

This kind of mark MUST be left on the bush/cheney era. Because if they and their pirate friends are allowed to set sail, as described in the OP, without paying for any of what they've done, all that does is set a VERY bad precedent for future president and veeps. It's hideous to think, but it could lead to us all saying one day that "...shit, I can't believe I'm saying this but (fill in the name here) actually makes me miss george w. bush." Don't laugh or scoff. We've already said similar things thinking back to the nixon era.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 11:40 PM
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28. Woooodamnwhoo!
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 11:48 PM
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29. Rats, I'll get to Massachusetts two days too late.
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jcla Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:01 AM
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30. Better late than never!
I want to see them perp walking.... anywhere for over four years we have had war criminals as president, vice president and associates (too many to list but I will start with Karl Rove and Former Atty General Gonzalez. Only Dennis Kucinich would do anything about them and he got tabled! People in Vermont town meetings in March tried. DO IT! Get them tried! Get them CONVICTED! They must be held accountable for their crimes.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 01:21 AM
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33. I'll look forward to updates on this!
:applause::patriot::applause::patriot::applause::patriot::applause::patriot::applause::patriot::applause::patriot:
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Sunnyshine Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 01:36 AM
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35. Think of the window of opportunity for us in mid Nov. and before 1 yr. report of Iran ops in Dec.
Just in case Bush tries anything catastrophic:Preparing the Battlefield We can do what should of been done in the first place.:kick:
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 02:17 AM
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37. Crap I wish this was in DC, but I am sure there is a safety issue doing it here
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 07:29 AM
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38. i emailed the conference
will it be streamed? are cspan or democracy now covering it? i wish i could go, but i WILL participate via computer if possible.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:21 AM
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40. Yes Sir! As the good judge said, "IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!"
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The River Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:23 AM
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41. This is Good News
The rule of law must be re-established in this Country
if we are to avoid (more) fascism, oligarchy or worse
in the future.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:28 AM
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42. What happens when bushie preemptively pardons all the major players?
That's what's going to happen, I have no doubt at all.

Prosecutions will get nowhere except against minor player that the Republicans don't care about anyway.

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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 01:56 PM
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49. That's my concern too. It specifically says in the constitution that the prez can issues pardons,
so I'm not sure what can be done about. The OP said that perhaps the pardons could be challenged, but with the pukes controlling the Supreme Court, I doubt it.
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kmdemqueen Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 10:54 AM
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43. Have fun
Seems like a fun time. Those two need to be accountable for there sins. let us see how fast they run. This is going to be good. i wish i can join you. But Bush and Chaney stole all my husband money and raised the gas prices. so I can't come. Love to be there though. KH
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 11:41 AM
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44. K&R

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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 11:59 AM
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45. Mass murder for Power, Wealth and the termination of Democracy equires the Death Penalty
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DeadEyeDyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:07 PM
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46. naw, just a little water boarding
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 01:38 PM
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47. I would go further than just a Whistle Blower Protection Fund.
I will donate $100 to any organization that will establish a BOUNTY for concrete evidence that leads to the prosecution of Bush/Cheney or top level administrators.

An International Bounty on Bush/Cheney would grow to many $MILLIONS in a very short time.

There could be two individual bounties.
One for concrete evidence, and another for an actual arrest.

A mega-million Dollar bounty for their arrest would certainly curtail any travel plans these War Criminals have for their retirement, and would place a nice bow around their legacy.
It also doesn't depend on our "Opposition Party" or the "Justice Department" for its implementation.

The fund could be administered as a TRUST located in a neutral country like Switzerland.

Would you donate to a fund that places a Bounty on the heads of Bush/Cheney for a War Crimes conviction?


Under precedent established at Nuremberg, it would also be possible to hold propagandists for the Bush/Cheney administration accountable.
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City of Mills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 01:41 PM
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48. Didn't Dubya attend Phillips Academy in Andover?
OH delicious irony! Glad this is happening just down the street from me! :bounce:
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