According to the freepers on my veterans' board, Biden doesn't stand a chance in

[driver8]

a debate with Palin.

I guess all of her experience will surely help her, eh?

These people are absolutely delusional...

[Parche]

1. Palindrome

I Hear she is frigid....:shrug: :hi:

[clydefrand]

4. Oh, so that's what a MOM is, right? :-)

[Parche]

12. MOM

Master
Over
McCain

[glowing]

2. Well, they'll cheat.. and they will use her feminine side.. what happens if she cries..

I mean really, her tears will fend off Putin and the Chinese? But in America its enough

[lonestarnot]

32. What is she going to throw her nevermind.

[arctic]

51. She is a hockey Mom,

They dont cry they scream for blood. So thats also as scary.

[gateley]

3. What reasons do they give -- I'm dying to know.

That's pretty preposterous.

[orleans]

44. well, i've thought about that and i'm concerned that if joe gets tough

it will appear he's beating up on a woman. and that wouldn't be a perception i would want people to be having. she, on the other hand, can be as hard as she wants.

obama seemed very careful about this sort of thing with hillary. i hope joe can pull it off just as good.

[gateley]

52. Joe will be fine.

Regardless of the rep he has for being a pit bull, he only attacks a person's policy -- he never makes it personal. He also gives credit where credit is due. He won't beat up on her, if that's the fear.

I was wondering what the freepers on the site the OP was referring to were citing as reasons why Palin would be better than Joe in the debate.

[orleans]

53. i have no idea what the dipshits are saying (i really can't stand

going to their "sites" and looking around--they bother me to an extreme)

suffice to just say, they think palin will do better than joe because they are batshit crazy. (that always sums it up for me)

[gateley]

56. "because they are batshit crazy"

No argument from me! :7

[last_texas_dem]

57. Good point

From what I've seen of Biden in that kind of context, he can be very tough in attacking people on issues, even while acting very friendly on a personal level. (I'm thinking of how he acted towards Alito in his hearing.)

[bulloney]

66. They're hoping that Biden will be uncomfortable going for the throat against a woman.

Sometimes you assume everybody else has the same weaknesses as you. Freepers' attitudes toward women is to patronize them and not look at them as a peer.

[Catch22Dem]

5. Are they serious, or seriously mental?

Biden doesn't stand a chance? Uh...ok.

[nerddem]

6. i know, right?

my absolute first reaction was that biden was going to make her look the reserve squad on a middle school debate team

[FLAprogressive]

7. I suppose in the after debate beauty contest.....

...he really doesn't. lol

[ingac70]

8. Obviously fundie nut jobs on that board. n/t

[melody]

9. You have got to be joking

Biden won't have to even attack her. We're talking Joe Biden against South Carolina's Miss Teen USA
contestant. It'll be a slaughter -- and she'll be the loser by a looooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng shot.

Isn't it interesting how many people have freeper friends today?

[driver8]

27. I'm not joking -- dead serious!

I wouldn't call these guys "friends" -- they are guys who belong to a veterans' forum that I post on.

We talk a lot of politics!

[melody]

42. Veterans who support a party that kills veterans and destroys vet families

Must be a strange place.

[orleans]

45. no shit. n/t

[driver8]

68. But in their minds, the party is "keeping us safe".

After all, we haven't been attacked since 9/11 -- so Bush must be doing something right.

Strange logic, I know...,but that is how they think.

[Muttocracy]

10. So what, pray tell, has she done for veterans?

Now, if the debate is about right-wing screeching points (e.g., he's for baby-killing), then by their standards she'll win, but that's not based on the debate - they already made up (or perhaps closed) their minds.

[Bluebear]

11. What does she plan on discussing, how to debone a mackerel?

[clydefrand]

25. How to make Moose Stew.

[driver8]

28. Ha Ha -- I may steal this line from you!! n/t

[Tangerine LaBamba]

13. Actually,

Biden's going to have to be really careful with her, since he could very easily steamroller her with his obviously superior experience and knowledge and make her look like a Poor Little Girl Victim.

So, he's going to hammer her, but he has to use a Velvet Hammer.

[NanceGreggs]

17. I doubt she'll still be around by the time of the debates, but ...

... that being said, Biden would use the fatherly touch: "Oh, okay, Ms Palin. Now let's just go over what you've just said, and see where it doesn't hold water in light of the facts, shall we?"

He'd slaughter her - and she'd never even know it was happening.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

22. You don't think she'll be around?

Why?

Biden's going to have to be very, very careful. But, he's a pro, and I have absolute faith in him. He's terrific.

[NanceGreggs]

55. My prediction ...

... and, of course, I've been known to be wrong - is that she's this season's Harriet Miers.

The poll numbers (which, as we all KNOW, mean nothing to the GOP) are already showing a net LOSS of votes for the McCain ticket with Sarah on board. That fact just smacks of a sudden "change of heart" by the VP nom, who will probably cite "her family's more pressing needs" as a reason for withdrawing her name from the race.

It's just MHO, but I believe the Republicans know they're going to lose - they just want to mitigate their damages by trying to lessen the impact of a probable Obama landslide. In their idiocy, they probably honestly believed that Palin would draw disgruntled women voters, put-off Fundies, and "family values" types.

They gambled - they lost.

Who they will replace Palin with is anybody's guess - but I'd be very surprised if that very discussion isn't being held behind closed GOP doors even as we speak.

[leftrightwingnut]

60. Will she back out before the convention? After sleeping on it...

...I wonder if there will be an uptick in the polls after the convention. Just MHO: Palin is a populist. She won the governorship in Alaska for a reason. We shouldn't underestimate her appeal, especially to younger conservative voters. It's clear to me that the Republic base does not use logic with their candidates. The fact that someone like Palin is ill-prepared for the responsibilities of the Presidency and the consequences of electing her will be lost on them.

Having said that, the real reason she may back out is that she will upstage, perhaps even eclipse, McCain. That may infuriate McCain and make him even more erratic than he already is, which will marginalize him even further.

So, if she stays in, the campaign will really be Obama vs. Palin. And when I think about that, I find it a little frightening. Logic says "vote for Obama." But we're not talking logic here. The conservative voter will find Obama's message a little complicated and Palin will be an easy, uncomplicated alternative.

Ironically, it will be important to constantly contrast Obama's supposed weaknesses against Palin's "aw shucks" mentality: Obama's superiority on foreign policy issues, military strategy and leadership. And the more populist and "aw shucks" that Obama can be at the same time, the better.

Unless we can successfully paint her early as the ridiculous option that she is, there could be trouble. Despite the polls, will the conservative voter actually vote? Palin could give them a reason to make the effort.

If she stays in, this will be a very strange election year, indeed!

[Wednesdays]

23. Right...35 years in the Senate, where debate is almost every day

vs. Ms. City Council. And we thought Bentsen vs. Quayle was a mismatch.

:popcorn:

[liberalhistorian]

33. Yes, true enough, but remember

who ultimately became veep, as idiotic as he was in those debates. Let's not get overconfident here.

[leftrightwingnut]

46. Most of her supporters won't realize it. She'll "win", regardless. eom

[leftrightwingnut]

48. Interesting: "I double she'll still be around..."

That thought had crossed my mind, too.

[KharmaTrain]

50. I Tend To Agree...She May Be Another Eagleton

A couple of us were talking about this strange pick and the process, or lack of it...it was a callous move to try to grab headlines away from Obama's excellent speech (it worked with the corporate media) and to test how the base and the media would handle it. She has helped Commander Puff'nStuff rake in several million in cash from the fundies and that may be the big thing here.

I see Biden not slaughter...but schooling her...carefully running circles around her with his knowledge and compassionate demanor. He can't (and I doubt he will) go after her...or even try to engage with her until a debate (if she makes it) and stay strictly focused on Gramps...hitting him low while Senator Obama hits him high. This pick opens Gramps up to a lot of questions about his decission-making ability and lack of command of his own campaign.

Nance, I also agree that she may not even make it to Wednesday's nomination...between Troopergate, the questions about her child (not just who the real mother is, but the issue of her moving her family and trying to raise a disabled child in the fishbowl of the beltway) and her lack of experience could raise a big fuss within what remains of the fiscal conservatives. She's not ready for prime time and that will become very obvious when she's left on her own to speak or campaign.

Instead of making his campaign look stronger, Commander Huff'nPuff may have boxed himself in. If he has to walk back her nomination, he doesn't have too many options...the GOOP has an anemic base and soon we'll see a lot of the downticket candidates trying hard to distance themselves from what they see as a political tsunami headed in their direction. They're all on their own...and it couldn't happen to a bunch of bigger hypocrites.

Cheers...

:hi:

[liberalhistorian]

29. That is exactly what I was thinking, he's going to have

to be very careful 'cause he'll be damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I'm sure he's smart enough to handle it, though.

[last_texas_dem]

58. Oh yeah, and he better make sure he doesn't sigh too much

According to the MSM, sighing too much automatically makes you the debate loser, even if your opponent came across as a complete dumbass.

[marauding liberal]

14. she's got the qualities knuckle-draggers value

[John Q. Citizen]

15. Be sure to remind them how they predicted Dean would ruin the party.

[EFerrari]

54. LOL!

:rofl:

[caseymoz]

16. It's counter-productive for the Obama campaign to attack her.

The McCain camp is hoping they can stick Obama and Biden with a "sexist" label, and so lure in more of the women vote. It means, really, that the more Biden fights her in a debate, the worse he'll look. Expect Republicans to comb for subtleties during the debates that mean "sexism."

Otherwise, she's a nobody, and chosen because she's a nobody; most similar to Dan Quaile really. No attacks are necessary her. Biden would be better to simply defend during the debates. She's almost predestined to make huge gaffes if she's allowed to.

They have a pretty cynical plan, and I hope it's recognized.

[Wednesdays]

24. Dems don't need to attack her

She's a walking, talking negative campaign ad already.

:rofl:

[liberalhistorian]

37. And even Quayle, featherweight that he was,

was more experienced than she is.

[leftrightwingnut]

69. I think it is important to show nothing but respect and high regard for her...

...because it will disarm her and raise expectations of her performance. If we treat her like a bimbo, they will have "won". That is what they are counting on and they will use the furor that it engenders to stomp out all rational discourse. If we "validate" her right to be a candidate then she will have to provide evidence of her worthiness. Any direct attack on her credibility will make that impossible. It's far better for Biden to say that he is "worried" and "nervous" about debating her and act as though he expects her to be a brilliant strategist, foreign policy genius, domestic policy wonk, etc. And you're right: calmly defend himself from any attack. If she does attack, she will only look mean-spirited and weak.

[girl gone mad]

18. You should remind them...

that there is no evening gown portion.

[driver8]

31. LOL! I'm definitely using that line!! Thanks! n/t

[Ikonoklast]

19. Only one question needs to be asked

"How old is the planet Earth, Sarah?"

She either lies, or tells the truth of what she thinks. Either way, she's toast.

[madmom]

20. They think that because they can't talk for the stuttering, stammering and drooling, no-one else can

either so she'll win by default.:shrug:

[Hubert Flottz]

21. Those "Veterans" of the Crony Corps, the Backwash Brigade and

the 101st keyboard platoon don't know chicken shit from chicken salad!

I used to donate money and time to the VFW and American Legion...now I have them on Ignore. I will keep them on ignore, until they stop kissing people like Bush and McDummy's ass!

[driver8]

35. These guys are all Navy veterans...

We all ran nuclear power plants for the Navy on aircraft carriers -- kind of hard to fake that!

No posers in this group...

[karynnj]

59. Have they been open to liking any Democrat in the past?

Just to have some benchmark to evaluate your observation. It makes a different if many were Democrats or if they were mostly Republican. It is really interesting to know what non-Democratic boards are saying.

[driver8]

67. Most of the guys are Republican, but there are a couple who have voted

for Dems in the past.

There are a few of us who are Dems and are more "left leaning".

[liberalhistorian]

26. They're just parroting what

the RW in the media are telling them, they likely don't even know anything much about her at all. Few people had even heard of her prior to yesterday. Would you believe I actually saw an repub editorial comment claiming that she has "more executive experience" than "Obama and Biden combined?" Just how fucking delusional can people really be? That was so pathetically funny I couldn't even get angry at it much.

And if they wanna play the patriotism card, Biden also has a son about to go to Iraq, just like she does. They're losing their talking points and they know it, and it's making them desperate and delusional.

[lonestarnot]

30. bwwwwwwwwwwa ah ha ha ha ha ROFLMFAO

:rofl:

[JeffR]

34. Biden may or may not have PTA experience,

and he's definitely never been the mayor of a town of 8000 and helped to put it millions in debt.

Yep. Poor Biden doesn't stand a chance.

[driver8]

38. I used the "PTA experience" line on them...no replies, yet. n/t

[JeffR]

39. They'll come around when they hear it from some RW spokesheads.

Just a matter of time now.

[jab105]

36. Go with it...talk about how she is going to wipe the floor with Biden...

after all, those PTA meetings are very no-holds barred...

She should wipe the floor with him - and, if she doesn't, what does that tell you about her?

Let them build her up as much as possible going up to the debate, then we will see what happens from there...

Right now, if she manages to say her name in the debate, she will win, expectations have never been lower...

[RadicalTexan]

40. Come on, a large percentage of voters, maybe even a majority, thought Dumbfuck "won" his debates!

Against Gore and Kerry! Give me a break!

When people don't understand the basic principles of logic, they have weird ideas of what constitutes "winning" a "debate".

[chatnoir]

41. His ears might bleed listening to that voice of hers

But otherwise they'll have to pick the pieces up off the floor when he decimates her.

[alfredo]

43. Never underestimate anyone. I've never seen her debate, she might

be good. She's got some heavy studying to do. Still, don't think she is a lightweight. She probably is, but why chance it.

[Bonobo]

47. A Hockey Mom VS. an Amtrak Dad? Oh man! He's toast! nt

[Midlodemocrat]

49. LOL. All of my Republican friends are despondent over this choice.

So much so, one of them couldn't articulate his anger/sorrow/misgivings.

:rofl:

To think that this inexperienced woman with a deer in the headlights look will even be able to maintain the stage with Biden is so laughable, I don't know where to start.

I'm sure Joe Biden is REALLY, REALLY, WORRIED.

:rofl:

[baldguy]

61. Well, she did win the debate competition in the Miss Wasilla pageant

[vanderBeth]

62. What were the questions?

What's your idea of the perfect date?
:rofl:

[baldguy]

63. Mostly about foreign policy

"Recent polls have shown that a fifth of Americans can't locate the US on a world map. Why do you think that is?"

[marshall]

64. Do they know he's been in the Senate almost four decades?

Probably longer than most of them have been alive.
Sarah was nine years old when Biden was elected to the Senate. I don't think he has anything to worry about. He'll wipe the floor with her bouffant hairdo.

[Waiting For Everyman]

65. They can dream on. She's toast. (n/t)