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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:38 PM
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WTF is the US Coast Guard doing in the Black Sea?


Coast Guard cutter Dallas off the coast of Batumi, Georgia.

When I was a little kid growing up in Florida, the USCG was ubiquitous, they were always around, patrolling the local waters, flying around in those HU-16E Albatross' and the classic HH-3F S-61 Pelicans, saving lives and watching Hurricanes and stuff. You know, they were like the Fire Department, the good guys.

Now, all of a sudden, it's like the firemen are walking around with M-16s.

From the Belmont Club:

"Although the facts have been little reported, the Coast Guard deployed 8 vessels to the Persian Gulf in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom. The reason for the deployment is that the Coast Guard does certain things better than the Navy, like work inshore.

On 29 January 2003, General Richard Myers, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, was asked, 'The Coast Guard announced today sending eight cutters, 600 people, to the Persian Gulf, which I understand is the first time they have been dispatched to a combat zone since the Vietnam War. What’s the thinking behind that, and what’s their mission going to be?' General Myers answered, 'For the Coast Guard, primarily for port and harbor and waterway security. That’s what they do best.'”

http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/24/the-black-sea/

Yeah, that's awesome, but what about our coast? Seems to me we have another big Hurricane headed toward the Gulf. After Katrina struck the Coast Guard was the only government agency that had its shit together. Good thing they're busy over half way around the world playing chicken with the Russians!

The Battle for the Black Sea heats up:

The Russians claim the build up of NATO shipping in the BS has them now out numbered.

The NYT reports:

"As attention turned to the balance of naval power in the sea, the leader of the separatist region of Abkhazia said he would invite Russia to establish a naval base at his territory’s deep-water port of Sukhumi.

And in a move certain to anger Russia, Ukraine’s president, Viktor A. Yushchenko, said he would open negotiations with authorities in Moscow to raise the rent on the Russian naval base at Sevastopol, which is in Ukraine’s predominantly Russian province of Crimea.

. . .

It was unclear Wednesday how many NATO ships were currently in the Black Sea.

A spokesman at the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers in Europe, in Mons, Belgium, said there were four NATO warships there on a previously scheduled exercise called Active Endeavor, for training in anti-terrorist and anti-pirate maneuvers. But he cautioned that other NATO countries could have ships in the sea not operating under NATO command.

'Obviously, there are other NATO-affiliated nations out doing things,' Lt. Col. Web Wright, the spokesman, said. 'But I can’t speak for those nations.'"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/world/europe/28russia.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Right, we've got an Arleigh Burke class guided missile destroyer roaming around the area and we don't know what the other NATO ships are up to? Pull the other one!

For previous threads concerning the Black Sea mess, go here: (there are many contributers)

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/bushmeister0
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:39 PM
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1. Are they lost like the Nat'l Guard?? Why are these groups which are
meant to defend us at home not here??
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:42 PM
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7. BUSH !!!!!! -- "Groups"? They are part of the military...
they aren't "groups" :eyes:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:44 PM
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12. Sorry, segments of the military. (I wasn't really disputing that, though.)
Edited on Wed Aug-27-08 03:46 PM by GreenPartyVoter
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:39 PM
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2. They heard that Hurrican Gustav is headed for Georgia?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:40 PM
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3. We need them here at home to help us with hurricane Gustav.
x(

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:41 PM
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4. The Coast Guard has always cruised outside the USA... they were also in Vietnam
but them being in Georgia is supposed to be for humanitarian reasons.

My ex served in the USCG and they traveled to Jamaica, Cuba, the Aleutian islands, etc....
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:45 PM
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13. Thank you for that information. I had not realized they
did that and thought they were meant to stick by our own coasts.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:00 PM
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23. And WW II and WW I
yep, they have been deployed, in time of war they become part of the USN... or at least used to
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Caliman73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:07 PM
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25. USCG
Jamaica, Cuba, and the whole Carribean are within our "sphere of influence. The Aleutian islands (at least some of them) are American. The USCG was in Vietnam as part of the "Riverine" force protecting active combat troops in a war zone because the Navy did not have any training in patrolling inlets. I still think our coast guard has no business off the coast of Georgia. Should the Russian Coast Guard start patrolling the waters between Cuba and Florida?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:17 PM
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28. They're bring humanitarian aid to the Georgians and Russia is across the Bering Sea
the Aleutian Islands used to belong to Russia.

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Aleutian_Islands
"In this manner Russia gained a foothold on the north-western coast of North America.
The Aleutian Islands consequently belonged to Russia, until that country in 1867
transferred to the United States all its possessions in America."




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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:31 AM
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36. Umm.. The Aleutians are part of the US n/t
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:42 PM
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5. Very same thought occurred to me this morning....
I guess the Globalists think the Georgian coast is now theirs. :shrug:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:43 PM
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11. They're there for humanitarion purposes supposedly... people were hurt in Georgia
and they're hungry and homeless there.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:54 PM
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19. Supposedly....
MOSCOW – Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Tuesday accused the United States of shipping arms to Georgia on U.S. naval vessels, but Washington denied the charge.

Medvedev made the charge in an interview on the BBC when he was asked if Russia was mounting a blockade of ships off Georgia's Black Sea port of Poti where the American warship USS McFaul is due to deliver humanitarian aid.

He replied: 'There is no blockade. Any ship can get in, American and others are bringing in humanitarian cargoes.

'And what the Americans call humanitarian cargoes – of course, they are bringing in weapons.'

....

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20080826-1120-georgia-ossetia-medvedev-usa.html
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:58 PM
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22. I think they're supplying humanitarian aid but
Edited on Wed Aug-27-08 04:00 PM by Breeze54
I have no idea if they're bringing weapons.

They haven't docked, so how would they offshore the supplies?

There is a battleship there, though...
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Angleae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 04:27 AM
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35. Battleship?
Sorry, but it's a pet peave of mine. There are no battleships anywhere except museums or decomissioned and in mothballs.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:42 PM
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6. picking a fight
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:43 PM
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8. the largee cutters like that one
have a world-wide mission to enforce US laws, protect US shipping and interests, and provide humanitarian missions as directed... I suspect it is the later which they are on here
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:43 PM
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9. Burning up fuel.




If DoD has a multi-Billion dollar fuel tab, that means
nothing but smiles from BushCo and their BigOil buddies.








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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:43 PM
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10. Protecting "our" coastal waters.
Just like the troops in Iraq are protecting "our" oil.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:45 PM
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14. OOPS wrong Georgia!!
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:56 PM
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20. heheheh well damn, I wasn't quick enough.
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:46 PM
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15. Bush one left us Somalia, bush the lesser will leave us messier: a galaxy of problems.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:50 PM
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16. guarding coasts over there so we don't have to guard them here
heck of a job coast guard! Our 17th line of defense between the Mississippi National Guard and the League of Womens Voters.
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:50 PM
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17. Things are deteriorating quite quickly
EU officials complained that Moscow was seeking to control the distribution of international relief. EU aid officials were demanding entry to the Russian controlled regions, but were being barred unless they handed over the aid to the Russian authorities for distribution.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/27/georgia.russia1


Meanwhile A U.S. Coast Guard ship carrying aid for victims of Georgia's brief war with Russia arrived on the country's Black Sea coast on Wednesday, but backed down from docking in a Russian-patrolled port.


The U.S. embassy in Tbilisi originally said the Dallas would be joined in Poti by a U.S. warship, the USS McFaul, which docked in Batumi on Sunday. But the embassy said late on Tuesday that the plan had changed. It did not say why.

This decision was taken at the highest level of the Pentagon,' a U.S. embassy spokeswoman told Reuters."


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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:03 PM
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24. Lucky we still have some adults around
"This decision was taken at the highest level of the Pentagon."

I'm sure Sec Def Gates took one look at this shit rolling down the chute and put his foot down. (And probably started drafting his resignation, just in case.)
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 05:38 PM
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33. Rove/Scheunemann/Cheney can start the Georgian crisis, BUT...
the top military brass need to sign on to starting a shooting war with Russia.

We'll see in the coming days and weeks how far Rove/Scheunemann/Cheney want to go with this:

1.) No further - they didn't want it to go this far

2.) Stir the pot enough to evoke a patriotic response for November

3.) Start a genuine Cold War for whomever wins in November

4.) All the way so that Cheney and the Neocon retain power

I'm guessing 2.)
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jdlh8894 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:51 PM
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18. Info
Edited on Wed Aug-27-08 03:52 PM by jdlh8894
http://www.uscg.mil/top/about

You might learn something.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:16 PM
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27. It does not appear to me that many
people in this thread want to learn anything
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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 02:38 AM
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34. Yes, I'm aware of this, but you know what I'm saying.
I'm not ignorant of the military aspect of the USCG, but normally they really are what I described in the original post.

When I used to see those Pelicans flying overhead at the same time everyday from Opa-locka, I just felt they were a benign protector of stupid boaters and an area beset every year by tropical storms and hurricanes.

Their mission has been perverted by BushCo. Another sign we're stretched too thin.



http://www.rexmwess.com/cgpatchs/archives-air.html
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:58 PM
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21. Filming "Deadliest Catch: Black Sea"?
We know the real reason they're there. To piss off Russia.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:09 PM
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26. They were probably ordered to Savannah, Georgia
Saw the storm warnings, and thought the other Georgia was safer.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:18 PM
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29. Dumbest post in this thread...
:eyes:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:22 PM
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30. What, you expect them to guard OUR coast??
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:32 PM
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31. It seems like they want all of
our protectors off shored outsourced so that when dimples declares marital(sic) law
Blackwaterm three canopy, and all the other murderous mercs that cheneyburton hired using our tax dollars can just start shooting the place up
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oldskool Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:35 PM
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32. It is amazing to me how many people
still don't get the globaization Agenda (NWO).And who the
globalists are.
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