Why does this "Recreate '68" smell like a RW public relations front group?

[Postman]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/24/fox-news-reporter-swarmed_n_121009.html

It just seems too convenient for a group of "far leftist radicals" to be freely roaming in Denver screaming foul language live on Fox News..

http://recreate68.com/

[summer borealis]

1. Good point. If those were real "leftist radicals" ...

the pencil-necked Fux reporter would have left with a broken nose, missing teeth and his microphone up his ass.

[donco6]

33. Glenn Spagnuolo has been around for years.

He's just a dupe and everyone seems to know it but him.

[ColbertWatcher]

2. Because you can't accept that John McCain was a POW!

My plan today is to see how many times I can inject McCain was a POW into a thread.

(So far I think I'm up to 3...)

[MadHound]

3. They're anti-war protesters

Given the number of Democrats, the vast majority, who have either voted or supported the war, I think that this is entirely appropriate. I know, I know, Dems don't like being reminded that their shit stinks when they're partying down at the convention, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. Perhaps if Democrats had done something in 2007, you know, like they were elected to do, end the war, perhaps we wouldn't be having this discussion. But noooo, the Democrats had to keep this illegal, immoral war going.

It is entirely appropriate for these people to be protesting in Denver. Don't like it, don't have the Dems help start and support a war:shrug:

[fasttense]

5. And they played right into Rove and Limpballs hands. n/t

[MadHound]

11. Any anti-war protest is playing into these assholes hands

They will twist and turn any such event to their own liking. What's your point, that we shouldn't protest the war because the RW hate jockies can turn it to their own advantage? Fuck that.

[eShirl]

7. yeah but why would they want to recreate 68?

remember who won that election

[MadHound]

14. They're referring to the '68 convention protests, not the ultimate outcome n/t

[KharmaTrain]

25. Yeah, Right...And I Have A Bridge To Sell Ya...

The Democrats didn't start this mess, Obama wants to end it. So by "protesting" this is gonna make things go quicker? Instead, they're running for microphones and mugging for cameras and helping the corporate media's spin of a divided Democratic party.

If these "patriots" had any sense, they'd be in Minneapolis, not Denver. They're all but helping the repugnicans and insuring for endless war and misery.

With "friends" like these, who needs friends...

[MadHound]

30. No, the Democrats didn't start this mess,

But they've certainly enabled it to both start and continue. Yes, they have blood on their hands. Hell, if Pelosi and the Dems had any spine they would have ended this over a year ago, you know, like the US public elected them to do. Instead, here we are, still in Iraq.

And if you haven't noticed, the Democratic party is divided. The left wing of the party has been thrown under the bus for the past thirty five years and we're getting sick of being taken advantage of. Perhaps the party leaders would best be served by some outreach on the party's part, after all, they're throwing bones to everybody else including corporate America and fundies. But nothing for the left. So yes, we're a party divided. Deal with it.

And don't worry, I'm sure that there will be anti-war protests in Minneapolis too. As far as the media goes, the protesters don't control the media so why are you blaming them for what the media is doing?

[KharmaTrain]

31. Reality Check

There's no way the Democrats could have stopped a damn thing. They tried. And what happened? Any bill that didn't get the blessing of this regime faced a certain veto in the Senate...and there 33 Senators all but ensured that this regime would continue to lie, obstruct, kill and ruin our civil liberties and national security. Now tell me how you would have overcome that? I know...doesn't fit the narrative...especially that astroturfed by both the repugnicans and the corporate media.

In case you haven't noticed, these protests are just what the corporate media is looking for...to play up the "Democrats are divided" game that appears you are gladly buying. I've been a proud Democrat for my 50 plus years...and I haven't seen a stronger party than I do now. It's organized on a 50-state basis and represents the views on many important issues reflective of the majority of the American voting populace. While the war is important, for many there's also health care (millions without any insurance), the housing mess, stagflation and a country divided not by Democrats but a Military/Industrial complex that only stands to profit from playing Democrats as chumps.

So the left wing has been thrown under the bus? And who threw them there? I see Governor Dean, who I assume is some sell-out, has transformed the party into one that is mainstream...not too far to either side...and at this point that's a vast improvement over what currently exists.

It's so nice people assume that "Pelosi was elected" to end the war. Bullshit. It was to prevent another rubber stamp repugnican congress that would have rammed through making boooshies tax cuts permanent, destroyed social security and medicare and expanded the bloodletting into Iran and who knows where else. While it's nice to blame Pelosi...it's a favorite party game here at DU, I only wish one person had all the power people says she does.

But it's ok...live in your own "reality"...including helping the corporate media present the "scary Democrats" image that could help push another 4 years of a repugnican executive that promises to be far more militaristic than what we currently have.

[MadHound]

34. *Sigh*

So much they could have done, withheld funding until getting a withdrawl timetable, hell, withhold the war funding all together. The Democrats were elected to majority position in 2006 with one clear mandate given by the people, end the war ASAP. And they failed, badly, and people have been wounded and people have died because of their failure. You don't like that truth, tough shit, that's the way it is.

In case you haven't noticed the Democrats are divided. Not just between the Clinton wing and the Obama wing, but also between the progressive wing of the party and the rest of the party. Progressives and liberals have been thrown overboard for years and decades now, yet every four years we're bullied into voting for some corporate Democrat. While other sectors of the Democratic party are regularly rewarded for their work with legislation for their pet projects, the progressive wing, which generally makes up the thousands of foot soldiers needed to pull off an election, have never been rewarded. No UHC, no publicly funded elections, nothing. Yet we're supposed to continue working and supporting the the Democratic party even though we receive no material reward, in fact quite the opposite as the party moves ever and ever rightward. Hell, thirty years ago, Bill Clinton would have been a moderate Republican, but now he and his wife(a former Goldwater Girl) are able to credibly run as Democrats. That's scary.

As far as your fifty years of experience goes, don't pull that bullshit on me. I've been working for the party since I was eleven years old(cut my teeth on McGovern) and have done a lot for the party, including being a delegate. I've seen the party in ways that a lot of people don't, from the belly of the beast, and it isn't a pretty picture. So don't pull your ageist shit on me, you may be older than I am, but I have way more experience(Were you ever a director of a regional office? I was)

Pelosi and the rest were indeed elected to end the war, that was the number one issue brought up by the public for why they voted Dem. Sadly, once more the Democrats failed to follow through on their promises, which they regularly do.

And no, Dean didn't throw the left under the bus. Read your political history, the political left was thrown under the bus long ago. One manifestation of that was the complete lack of party support for McGovern's campaign back in '72. Hell, the last time the Democratic party threw the left a serious bone was under FDR. He was facing a re-election where the Socialist party was a serious spoiler. Rather than demanding lock-step thinking and railing like a freeper like so many Dems do today when confronted with a leftist, FDR actually catered to them. He nicked a couple of planks from the Socialist platform and made them his own, and thus insured himself of having another term. Good thing he did what he did, otherwise we wouldn't have either Social Security or Unemployment Insurance, those two Socialist planks. But the Democratic party doesn't do such rewarding for the left today. Instead they react like you do, with insults, attacks and bully boy tactics. Now that's a real good way to win friends and influence people:eyes:

And I love how you think that protests and free speech are scary. Tells me a lot about where your politics and mindset are at, a place I never want to go. Booga booga big boy, I'm an anti-war Democratic heretic. Deal with it!

[KharmaTrain]

35. Nice Projection...

Cherry pick what you will...believe what you will. This is what democracy is about. I never said I thought protests or free speech are scary...but project as you will...and keep playing into the right wing and corporate media stereotypes, it sure has worked real well up to this point. Congrats!

Sorry...I know people who voted for many other things than Iraq in 2006. Healthcare was a major issue...so was corruption (remember that Foley dude?)...Iraq was just one of many issues...unlike you, there are those who aren't fixated on one issue.

You have no clue about me or my politics...but project as you see fit. I'm not into flame wars or other games here, so here's wishing you peace, health and happiness...

[Postman]

8. Wow. What a response.

I'm anti-war and pissed off the Democrats didn't "end the war" too.

But I wouldn't knowingly give the RW any rope to help hang me with either....

[MadHound]

12. How is protesting the Dems giving the RW rope?

I imagine that the Republican convention will also be protested:shrug:

Sorry, you're not going to end a war by doing a partisan political tapdance, especially when both parties have blood on their hands.

[Postman]

17. There is an acceptable way to go about it.

Were you born yesterday? Do you know how the media works?

[MadHound]

20. No, I wasn't born yesterday

And I am fully cognizant how the media works, including the fact that in this day of corporate media coverage, a protest done without saying a word and with the participants marching in straight lines with Brooks Bros. suits would still be villified in the some of the media outlets, especially Faux. The rest would ignore such a polite "protest".

Sorry, but polite protests rarely are effective, rarely make the media, and rarely are seen. Frankly these guys are actually quite tame considering some I've seen. What, you're pissed that they're protesting Dems? Tough shit, maybe the Dems should have thought about such a PR mess before they enable Bushboy's ongoing war:shrug:

[Postman]

38. I'm not pissed they're protesting Dems at all....

I think just about every one of them should be ejected from office except for the Kucinich types...

But screaming "Fuck Fox News" (a sentiment I agree with) on live TV doesn't win you any converts.

[grannie4peace]

4. 'cause it is:):):)

[ColbertWatcher]

13. Exactly. Recreate 68 is a GOP sleeper cell. n/t

[liberal N proud]

6. I suspect it is driven by a right wing asshole or more.

[Suji to Seoul]

9. If it walks, talks and acts like a duck. . .

[WCGreen]

10. The problem is protesters of this type, theatrical, are so marginalized

in the modern political discourse that they actually do more harm than good.

It's not how I feel about it it is just the way it is.

Political Theater doesn't play well in the US, never has and never will.

Straight forward protests without stilt walkers and people dressed up like the grim reaper and what not actually have more effect.

Like I said, it's not me, it's the perception out there.

[Postman]

15. And it is THOSE types of protesters (straight) that will be ignored.

Because they are "normal" everyday people like those that protested by the hundreds of thousands in October of 2002 and February 2003...

The "freaks" they will give all the air time in the world because it discredits the message.

[WCGreen]

19. You got that right...

Locally, during the run up to the war, TV stations covered the Solemn candlelight protests. It was good.

[EFerrari]

16. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some moles there

looking for a camera to catch them misbehaving.

[C_U_L8R]

18. Why would anyone want to "recreate 68

unless they were a Limbaugh/Rove republican?
It seems kinda pointless unless your goal is disruption.

[ColbertWatcher]

23. Disruption and fear. Oh noes! Don't look behind you! There's a terrorist! n/t

[C_U_L8R]

24. umm okay... but 1968?

What's that about? What's the point?

[ColbertWatcher]

27. Short hand for "hippies"

Everything the GOP does is short hand for something else.

1968 is the quintessential hippie year.

It is also the year when MLK and Bobbie died. So it is also a threat. Just what the GOP are good at.

[C_U_L8R]

28. If you want to recreate the Summer of Love... it's 1967

If you want to emulate the Chicago convention... it's 1968

[ColbertWatcher]

29. Details are beneath the echobots.

They were told 1968 was the summer of love and they're sticking to it!

[grannie4peace]

21. i remember some of the street theater groups in sf in '68.

those movements were so organic and based on the turn on, tune in, & drop out that we had a freedom that seems lacking in this go around.... i liked it better then but that might be because i was in the middle of it all. i remember fearing the "commies" that were trying to influence to protesters & the fear of the john birchers (m father was one. he had such an immense fear of the communists

[mwb970]

22. The RW fear of "commies" has morphed into the fear of "Islamo-fascists".

And liberals. And uppity women and blacks. Just so there's someone to be afraid of so we can angrily HIT BACK!!!

[JHB]

26. You could actually try digging a little

They're a little thin on "who they are", but they do give enough: the All Nations Alliance.
The Media Communiques pages give press releases with names that can be Googled too.

The organizers have a history as activists and protesters, so they're not appearing out of thin air.

That's not to say there aren't Republican agents provocateur (ratfuckers) infiltrating, that's not to say that there isn't Republican money being slipped to them. That's also not to say that it IS, either.

You can count on Faux News to record these guy's every move hoping for a "money shot" (literally something they can cream over, like a flag burning), but that doesn't make them a Republican invention. Considering the cowardice that the Democratic leadership has shown in the face of the malAdministration, is there really that much mystery that legit groups might protest the Dems?

On the other hand, R^* advertises a free concert by Publioc Enemy, but the group says they're not appearing, so it's also worth checking who of their "guests" actually intend to appear with them.

[cobalt1999]

32. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

Regardless of their motives, it's plain stupid to want to "Recreate '68".

Furthermore, any media attention these fools get will do nothing but associate the war with the Democrats too.

Idiots need to do all their war protests at the Republican convention. Make sure the public brands this as a republican only war.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

36. Right. It's all a plot. I remember when DU was agianst the war.

[Freddie Stubbs]

37. Because Cindy Sheehan is involved

[Thor_MN]

39. recreate 68

I didn't think Repugs were into that sort of recreation, but the "Borrow and Spend" theme of "You do me and I owe you one" makes sense...