Had a conversation with three good friends tonight

[colorado thinker]

All women. All over 45. One wild and crazy gal, two southern Christians. We talked about Obama.

The wild and crazy gal was a Hillary supporter. She'll vote for Obama, but is not happy about it.

The Christians were concerned about Reverend Wright. They say anyone in a church for 20 years is in agreement with the tone of the church, and don't like Obama because they feel he is swaying with the wind, saying anything he thinks needs to be said to get votes, that if he didn't agree with Wright, he should have moved to a different church. They don't trust his assertions of Christianity, saying that a real Christian believes that the only way to heaven is through Jesus and a real Christian would not say a Muslim or a Buddhist can go to heaven by committing to their own religious beliefs. "Though shalt not have any other God before me . . . "

They all think Michelle is not First Lady material and suspect both of the Obamas are closet racists.

I love these women but good lord, I cannot reach them and change their minds. We all agreed that we could only vote against McCain.

Very, very sad.

[ourbluenation]

1. re the christian stuff

even if all the christian bs was true, what is it they think is going to happen if Obama is President? Bealzabob will smyte them? Seriously. This is madness.

[colorado thinker]

8. Their attitude is one of the

reasons that I began to question Christianity. It makes no sense to me that a god of Love and Redemption would condemn all who are not Christian, and all who never heard of Christ either before or since his appearance on earth, to hell.

I need a belief system that is more forgiving and inclusive, not to mention more sane.

We live in interesting times . .

[ourbluenation]

13. interesting times indeed. but again, what is it they think will happen?

you dont have to answer. I've heard people like this before and I always ask myself what they are afraid will happen? Armageddon? Mass abortions?

[sharesunited]

2. Paying attention or not, minds are made up. It is rare to find one that isn't.

How would canvasing and phone banks make a difference?

[BlooInBloo]

3. White southern christians. 'nuff said.

[misanthrope]

15. I thought the same...

...I'm surrounded by it. Colleagues, neighbors, in-laws, relatives, you name it.

Once more, my vote will be negated by the state where I live.

[Ishoutandscream2]

41. White, southern, born again evangelical Christians

Don't stereotype. We have liberal faiths and churches down here, just like up north. I was attending one before I simply decided Christianity was not for me.

[tsuki]

4. If someone I know cannot vote Obama, I switch them to Bob Barr. nt

[ColbertWatcher]

7. LOL! Too funny! Good solution, but still funny nonetheless! n/t

[lonestarnot]

12. How did I know that!

:evilgrin: :yourock:

[tsuki]

16. I learned from YOU! HA! (And I am not casting asparagus.) nt

[lonestarnot]

22. And we aren't screwn either!

:woohoo:

[BlooInBloo]

17. Oh that's a good one!

[AlinPA]

5. Those two are friends? yuk.

[ourbluenation]

9. was that really necessary?

[colorado thinker]

10. We tolerate each other's differences

and look elsewhere for things we can mutually agree on. Is that wrong?

[ourbluenation]

14. Of course it's not wrong. I'm afraid DU can be very judgemental at times.

viva la difference. :hi:

[AlinPA]

33. Sorry, all. I've been irked lately by "friends" in my own life who keep sending me junk lies Obama.

[emilyg]

32. I have dear friends who don't think the way I do.

[midnight]

6. Here is a crazy thought that runs through my head about

us christians. Why do do we allow so much murdering for the reason of the moment. The ones who are afraid of racism, ask them how we allowed our brothers and sisters of NOLA to drown and do nothing even though we were forewarned, and local officials begged for emergency help before the drowning started? I know that the religious believe this community died for their sins, but truly is being black in NOLA a sin? How do they square that racism?

[2Design]

11. well we know the craziness of mcsame and war and torture - the

rev is minor in comparison - do blacks have a right to be angry - yes - if they want a faux christian wacko running the country more like the last 8 years and the reagan and other crap - you can not convince brainwashed people - they need deprogramming and unfortunately our media continues to brainwash everyone and then we have the nuts like ann coulter, elizabeth on the View, rush limp, the crazy churches in Virginia with crazy leaders like pat robertson and the ones in the mountains - the media is make up this shit about hilary supports and if they are crazy enough to vote for this old man who is a war monger who wants 100 years of war and now believes in torture - walk away

[jwirr]

18. I don't know how to get to the fundies but the crazy lady - make sure

she listens to Hillary on Monday.

[Bonobo]

19. I love "I was talking to a friend" threads...

Reminds me of "some people say" questions.

[colorado thinker]

20. What does that mean? n/t

[Bonobo]

29. Sorry.

I've been experiencing heavy paranoia since yesterday.

Often these kinds of threads are made up.

Apologies.

[ensho]

40. agree, 'what I heard at the pickup store' stories I take with a grain of salt

or at the gas station or at dinner.

some do sound real and I dispense with the grain of salt for them.

[AuntPatsy]

21. Well then there is no problem that I see? your last sentence indicates they will

vote against mcbush so whats the problem?

[colorado thinker]

26. The two Christians were not 100% sure they could overcome

their issues on Obama's religion to vote against McCain, even thought the Hillary supporter and I turned the conversation to the economy as a reason. The two Christians still felt that his inability to stand firm on "real" Christian values might be too big a problem for them to overlook. One of them actually said she might vote for McCain because he might not last the whole four years . . obviously forgetting that his VP would still be a republican. They both voted for Bush in 2000 because he was "an honorable man and a Christian". They now realize that was a lie, but still lean republican??????????

[AuntPatsy]

28. Well then sorry, your friends have deep problems, one an inibility

to realize the real reason behind thier disquiet....how sad and how very unchristian. If it honestly was about religious values than mcbush would not even be considered, they are lying to you and perhaps even themselves.

[Irishonly]

39. What is their "real" Christian values

I apologize in advance for my frustration and will try as hard as I can not to make this post seem like an attack.

In my experience "real" Christian value voters are one issue voters and that is being anti choice. Invasion, murdering innocent civilians and torture are condones and that's as unlike Christ as anyone can get. McCain has said he is not opposed to a draft so he can send more of our young to kill or be killed. When Christ talked about rendering to Caesar, he was talking taxes not killing. For the life of me I don't understand them.

I hate the evangelical movement and it's destruction of Christ's words. :rant:

[colorado thinker]

42. If it helps, my oldest sister is an evangelical

and she is pro-Obama, anti-war, hates McCain and would never ever vote Republican. The only thing I can't get her to budge on is the abortion thing, but that's okay she doesn't proselytize or protest.

There are some evangelicals who can think in the world, thank goodness.

[Irishonly]

44. I am related to a bunch of them

They are too afraid to talk politics with me because they are as right wing as you can get. I start asking about death penalty, war, killing of children, discrimination which Christ said was wrong and the list goes on. My political views are very similar to the Dali Lama's views and they think I am spooky. I belong to the DOCS which is very liberal in doctrine. Some of the 70+ men and women of my church have been out every single Friday since the invasion began protesting. I am 55 and they call me the youngster. My daughter and friends are still children although they are all over 18.

[seabeyond]

23. ssshhhh...

the reality. they are afraid to have a black as president.

all the garbage they are spouting is garbage. a lot of i dont knows. sorry about your friends. maybe suggest they actually listen to the guy over the next three/four months

[Lars39]

24. Are they Southern Baptist?

If so,that means they are submissive, 'cause if they've been with a church 20 years, it must mean that they are in full agreement with everything else that's come down the pike since the conservatives have taken over the SB convention. Southern Baptists used to be able to interpret scripture on their own. Now they have it interpreted for them.

[colorado thinker]

27. They belong to some evangelical church . . .

[stillcool]

25. I believe you...

left out the Ayers, Rezko material. The family/friends that won't vote for Obama has been regurgitated so many times I can recite it! I think fresh material is needed.

[Indiana_Dem]

30. Good grief! Have they not heard Obama say many times

that he believes Christ died for His sins and that He was the only way for salvation? He has said this on more than one occasion. I've never heard him say anything about a Muslim or a Buddhist and if they'll be accepted or not. Some people, I swear....<shakes head back and forth>

[gi4obama]

31. I talked with my family tonight

My mother, stepfather, sister and brother in-law are thinking about voting for Obama. I was shocked when my brother in-law told me his intentions. He is a Nascar loving guy in his mid thirties, def not the demographic that Obama caters too. But my mother and stepdad are staunch Democrats. The race issue is not playing a part in their thinking. My sister was brainwashed early on by those false emails that the Repukes sent out about Obama's Pledge of Allegiance and Afghanistan Troop chain-mail. Once I found out about this I sent her to Snopes.com.

I am ecstatic now! For the first time in years I think that my family will be voting for the only party that cares about their middle class lives! And the selection of Joe Biden has helped out a whole lot!

[DailyGrind51]

34. They just don't want to vote for a "black" president and aren't candid

enough to say so!

[alfredo]

35. Frame it like so: Obama was drawn by the community, not the preacher.

That church was very effective in helping the community. Being a community activist, he gravitated toward the church that was doing the most for those with the least.

[harun]

36. Tell them the Senate is going to be majority Dem and the House

Do they really want to watch four years of presidential vetoes?

[ljm2002]

37. When people like this...

...start routinely questioning the "real" Christianity of folks who attent Prosperity Christianity churches, when they question the "real" Christianity of churchgoers whose pastors preach hate for gays, hate for the poor, hate for anything and everyone who is not just like them -- then, I might be interested in their opinion of just how "Christian" Obama is.

[DailyGrind51]

38. "...suspect both of the Obamas are closet racists." Projection much?

[Caretha]

43. ding ding ding

We have a fuckin' winner :)