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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:03 PM
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NY Times: How bad are the new housing start numbers? Horrid.
from Floyd Norris' blog:



August 19, 2008, 2:02 pm
Who Could Have Known?

How bad are the new housing start numbers? Horrid.

Here’s one statistic: The government calculates that construction began on 59,000 single family homes in July. The last time that few homes were started in a July was, well, we don’t know. It was before 1959, when the government started counting housing starts. The old low was 61,400 starts in July 1982, when recession and high interest rates had ravaged the housing market.

It is not hot news that the housing market is in trouble. But there are insights available as to how we got into this mess in a CreditSights.com report released this week on Wachovia, the bank that made perhaps the worst acquisition of the decade when it bought Golden West, a lender that specialized in “pick-a-pay mortgages,” also known as option adjustable-rate mortgages.

David Hendler and Baylor A. Lancaster interviewed the departing chief financial officer and chief risk officer, who were reflective on the lessons they had learned. Here are some excerpts:

“Wachovia noted that some portion of the population which is attracted to the option ARM product seemed to ‘know something that the underwriters didn’t.’ . . . So it seems that borrowers who choose a mortgage with the option of lower minimum payments may in fact be indicating to the lender that there is more likelihood that they will not have the resources to cover the fully amortizing payment.”

“Wachovia noted that Golden West had a ‘life of customer’ approach, meaning that the company liked to re-fi loans with customers as they needed it. . . In these cases, that borrower had essentially gotten back out all of his initial downpayment, or more, over time. . . Wachovia is seeing that the borrowers have less inclination to keep making payments when they have negative equity since they have essentially none of their ‘own’ investment left in the house.”


In other words, Wachovia has discovered that people who take out loans that let them make smaller initial monthly payments often do so because they cannot afford other loans. Given that option ARM loans cost more in the long run, that should not be a huge surprise. And homeowners who have no money invested in a home are more likely to walk away when it loses value. Who could have foreseen that?

By making such loans, Wachovia and other lenders assured that a lot of homes were built and “sold” to “buyers” who could not afford to keep them, or who concluded it was not in their interests to do so once prices fell. That extra demand enabled a seasonal business to stop being seasonal. For five consecutive years, through 2005, there were more single family homes started in July than had been started the year before. That had never happened before.

Since then, there have been three consecutive declines. and there were 63 percent fewer starts this July than in the same month in 2005. We’ve never seen a three-year fall like that.
Until there are enough real buyers for all those homes that are being left by the people walking away from mortgages, this housing downturn is likely to continue.


http://norris.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/who-could-have-known/


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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:48 PM
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1. A Very Good Piece
And there's a very insightful comment below the article made by some fellow named "Manny Goldstein".
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:44 AM
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5. excellent article. Thanks for posting n/t
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:58 PM
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2. I know!!! The whole thing was such a big DUH from the get go!!
Especially here in L.A........I cannot tell you how many come-on offers we got the last ten years to "use our home equity," "get the cash we need" etc. I'm SO glad we resisted (even when times were tough.) I have so many friends who maxed out their houses (here in L.A.) when they were OBVIOUSLY over-valued, and now they are really in a fix. I just kept saying, how can our little cottage be worth $700,000??? It never made any kind of sense to me. So we didn't go bigger and better, and we didn't get a pool or granite counters or professional landscaping or anything that made the economy so "good" during those "use your house as a wallet years."

Meanwhile many of our "upwardly mobile" pals are in a world of hurt. They were counting on constant re-fi's, now the property doesn't qualify.

I don't always make the greatest financial decisions, but resisting the "easy equity" BS was definitely a good thing!!!
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 11:04 PM
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3. Question: Given these numbers, why am I reading about housing recovery in '09?
Edited on Tue Aug-19-08 11:06 PM by OmahaBlueDog
It seems like inventories will still be too high and credit will still be too tight.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/earnings/2007-07-19-countrywide_N.htm
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 11:25 PM
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4. It's really difficult...
...(at least I think it is) to get honest information about the state of this
economy.

The media touts a housing recovery in 09, and most financial talking heads will tell
you that this is a good time to buy stocks--as these current lows will pass.

Will they?

I'm not sure. I'm not an economist, but something tells me that things are worse off
than the powers-that-be are revealing.

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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:21 AM
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7. That housing recovery is just propaganda designed to make the slide slower so that
so that the "real money" can move on to another fixed game.

We bought one of those Arms hehe. Our mortgage wasn't much more than our rent.... but i lost my job and now we're going bankrupt and it's goodbye housey ;)

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:12 AM
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6. pretty bad when sh** like this happens in TEXAS
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