"Russia Has Made No Threats Against America" Are You Ready For Nuclear War?

[Better Believe It]

August 19, 2008

The Mindlessness is Total
Are You Ready for Nuclear War?
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review.

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The American-educated thug, Saakashkvili the War Criminal, who is president of Georgia, was installed by the US taxpayer funded National Endowment for Democracy, a neocon operation whose purpose is to ring Russia with US military bases, so that America can exert hegemony over Russia.

When the Russian army went into Georgia to rescue the Russians in South Ossetia from the destruction being inflicted upon them by the American puppet Saakashvili, the Russians made it clear that if they were opposed by American troops with smart weapons, they would deal with the threat with tactical nuclear weapons.

It is obvious that American foreign policy, with its goal of ringing Russia with US military bases, is leading directly to nuclear war. Every American needs to realize this fact. The US government’s insane hegemonic foreign policy is a direct threat to life on the planet.

Russia has made no threats against America. The post-Soviet Russian government has sought to cooperate with the US and Europe. Russia has made it clear over and over that it is prepared to obey international law and treaties. It is the Americans who have thrown international law and treaties into the trash can, not the Russians.

In order to keep the billions of dollars in profits flowing to its contributors in the US military-security complex, the Bush Regime has rekindled the cold war. As American living standards decline and the prospects for university graduates deteriorate, “our” leaders in Washington commit us to a hundred years of war.

Please read the entire article at:

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts08192008.html

[Better Believe It]

1. A Cold Chill Down the Spine: Leave Georgia Alone, George

Here are the views of another conservative "Reagan" Republican who we probably disagree with on every other social and domestic issue.

But, it's one more demonstration of opposition within Republican ranks to the neocon policies of the Bush administration and for that reason deserves to be read.

August 19, 2008
A Cold Chill Down the Spine
Leave Georgia Alone, George
By WILLIAM S. LIND
William S. Lind, expressing his own personal opinion, is Director for the Center for Cultural Conservatism for the Free Congress Foundation

What interests does the United States have at stake in the war between Russia and Georgia? Only one: that we remain out of it.

A few facts are in order here. ....the current conflict was started not by Russia but by Georgia, which foolishly attacked the Russian dependency of South Ossetia. Did Georgia make this suicidal move with prior assurance of American backing? If so, Washington provoked the conflict, which would be as great a crime as the Bush administration lying us into war with Iraq.

.... there is nothing America can do to defend Georgia except threaten nuclear war. We could send in a small “tripwire” force of a battalion or two – God help us if we do - and dare the Russians to attack it. But if they called the bluff – and I think they would – what then? It is impossible for the United States to wage conventional war with Russia in her own backyard. We would have to go nuclear, or back down and accept defeat. It is all too easy to guess which alternative the Bush administration would select.

President Bush has used Georgia to taunt and humiliate Russia, even putting Georgia up for NATO membership, which the Europeans were wise enough to block. This folly was part of a larger strategic blunder, going back to the Clinton administration, of treating Russia as an opponent despite the fall of Communism.

That blunder is now blowing up in our face, as Russia in turn uses war with Georgia to teach America a lesson about the dangers of overextension and the price to be paid for humiliating a Great Power. Prudence suggests we swallow our medicine and profit by it, tempering our ambitions and our arrogance with a dose of reality.

Please read the entire article at:

http://www.counterpunch.org/lind08192008.html

[Green Mountain Dem]

2. WOW.... Thanks for posting this...

Bottom line says it all.. "If you desire to be poor, oppressed, and eventually vaporized in a nuclear war, vote Republican." Should be made into a bumper sticker!

[Larry Ogg]

9. Right… read the following and tell me how much better of we are going to be

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/08/11/mccain_obama_urge_diplomatic_move_against_russia/

McCain, Obama urge diplomatic move against Russia

ERIE, PA. (AP) - Presidential rivals John McCain and Barack Obama on Monday called for a multi-pronged diplomatic effort to force Russia to withdraw from Georgia, saying Moscow's relationship with the rest of the world depends on it backing down.
Both candidates said Europe and other nations must be united against Russia's widening assault against Georgia, U.S.'s closest ally among the democratizing former Soviet republics. And they said NATO should reconsider its decision to withhold a "membership action plan" for Georgia.

That decision "might have been viewed as a green light by Russia for its attacks on Georgia," McCain, a Republican senator from Arizona, said.

Speaking to reporters in Pennsylvania, McCain said Russia appears intent on toppling the Georgian government rather than simply restoring the status quo in the pro-Moscow province of South Ossetia, which Georgia is trying to keep from breaking away.
"NATO's North Atlantic Council should convene in emergency session to demand a ceasefire and begin discussions on both the deployment of an international peacekeeping force to South Ossetia and the implications for NATO's future relationship with Russia," McCain said.
He said the United States "should coordinate with our partners in Germany, France and Britain, to seek an emergency meeting of the G-7 foreign ministers to discuss the current crisis."
"We must remind Russia's leaders that the benefits they enjoy from being part of the civilized world require their respect for the values, stability and peace of that world," McCain said.
Obama, a Democratic senator from Illinois, also urged a multinational response but added that U.N. Security Council should play a major role in helping end the crisis. He said the Security Council should pass a resolution calling for an immediate end to the violence, and urged a U.N. mediator to join French and Finnish foreign ministers in Georgia to try to end the fighting.
"The U.N. must stand up for the sovereignty of its members and peace in the world," Obama told reporters during his weeklong vacation in Hawaii.
Like McCain, Obama warned that Russia's future relationships are at stake. An international forum, he said, should be convened to review Russia's interest in joining the World Trade Organization.

"We want Russia to play its rightful role as a great nation," Obama said. "But with that role comes the responsibility to act as a force for progress in this new century, not regression to the conflicts of the past."
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Associated Press Writer Jaymes Song in Hawaii contributed to this report.

[Supersedeas]

3. and the GoP Media types (including Howie watchdawg Kurtz) seem to be an extension of the

propoganda used to install the man.

[Terran]

4. Thanks for this, and rec'ed...we've been lulled

into thinking that Russia was ready and willing to have all its territorial buffers stripped away and sent to a formerly hostile camp, i.e., the West and NATO. I confess that for years now I've been thinking (consciously), "Wow, the Russians are so accommodating to the West now!" when in fact the nether regions of my mind we're shouting, "This is too good to be true!" Well, this article has illuminated all that exceedingly well.

Of course, according to McCain, "we're all Georgians now." Poor little innocent pro-western democracy. I do find it amusing, sadly, that as with all the other grand neocon schemes, this one is all vision and no substance or logic. There is no way in hell Bush is actually going to militarily oppose anything the Russians do in Georgia. Pathetic bumbling boobs, all of them.

[Better Believe It]

5. Georgia's "Invasion" Of South Ossetia: It Was A Massacre And War Crime

If you haven't read it, you might want to check this article out:

Georgia's "Invasion" Of South Ossetia: It Was A Massacre And War Crime
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3808641&mesg_id=3808641

[AlphaCentauri]

6. K&R

[bemildred]

7. There is one thing about this that bothers me:

I did not see that the US ever made the slightest move to interfere militarily with the Russian counter-invasion. It would not be a trivial or off-the-cuff sort of thing to do. The US appeared to me to be caught flat-footed. The result was determined within a few days. Any counter effort would have had to be massive and had a long lead time. And I don't see any reason for the Russians to bring the subject up on their own initiative.

Also, as I have pointed out before, last week, it is US doctrine to use tactical nukes for force protection, and there is no reason to expect the Russians to view that any differently; which is essentially what the one quote that I have seen from a Russian commander in this regard says; so it's not really news.

So I find the described threat to use tactical nukes implausible.

[14thColony]

8. This COULD bode well in the long run

as long as the neocons, neoimperialists, and neofascists can keep their piggy little fingers off the nuclear button.

History seems to indicate that a bipolar world (in the political sense) tends to be safer than a monopolar world. A resurgent Russia may serve to check unbridled American adventurism.

[spanone]

10. the neocons have wet dreams about nuking russia...the big prize

[pokerfan]

12. McCain seems to be given to hyperbole

1990: "The peace and security of the world for future generations demand that the world community act decisively to end the Gulf Crisis now."

1994: "North Korea's nuclear weapons program is the most dangerous and immediate expression of the greatest challenge to U.S. security and world stability today."

1999: "America's most important values: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are under vicious assault by the Milosevic regime."

2007: "My friends, this is a transcendent struggle between good and evil. Everything we stand for and believe in is at stake here."

2008: "I think it's very clear that Russian ambitions are to restore the old Russian Empire."

[Initech]

11. We're one fuck-up away from WWIII.

And as I said in another thread, electing John "Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran" McCain will be the fuck-up to do it.