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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 06:35 PM
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Anybody see Brian Lamb having multiple orgasms over Bob Tyrell's column this morning?
Edited on Fri Mar-09-07 06:43 PM by Gabi Hayes
He spent a half hour in ecstasy, repeatedly turning to Tyrell's lie-filled screed about Joe Wilson, purportedly as an entree to his question, "Does the government have the right to lie to the people?" I never could figure out the connection, other than to push his clear right wing agenda, and, perhaps, his friendship with Tyrell. Are they close?

The piece ran in the Washington Times, of course, Washington Journal's favorite, and I'll wager, most quoted newspaper.

Among Tyrell's filthy lies, which covered Hillary, as well, was that Wilson claimed that Cheney requested that he be sent to Niger, which Wilson NEVER claimed. The right has made that one of their stock lies, repeated by John Fund on Tweety's show last night, passing unchallenged by Matthews, a Chicago Trib reporter, and perhaps another guest (can't remember if there was another, but Matthews let Fund dominate the conversation, which he filled with more than a few distortions, and outright lies....surprised?)

The Tyrell editorial, though, was simply mindboggling in its
crazed mendacity, almost pure self-parody. What's sad is the fact that Lamb read it as if it were written in stone and handed down from some mountain of wisdom. Just as sad was that no caller challenged Tyrell's assertions, or questioned why Lamb is so obsessed with the Washington Times as a "news source." I know that's been discussed here before, and is very occasionally mentioned on CSPAN, but I wish more callers would let Lamb know that his reliance on the Fox News of the print media is NOT appreciated.

Here:

http://www.creators.com/opinion/r-emmett-tyrrell/what-s-in-a-lie.html

What's In A Lie?
WASHINGTON — I. Lewis Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, has been found guilty of lying and faces many years in prison. Joseph C. Wilson, his tormentor, has been found guilty of lying, and out in Hollywood they are going to make a movie of his life. He is Hollywood's idea of a hero.

According to a Senate inquiry, this mellifluous gasbag lied about findings regarding the Iraqis' pursuit of uranium in Niger. He lied when he suggested that he went on a mission there at the request of the vice president. And again he lied when he claimed that his report on Niger was circulated at the highest levels of government. In all three lies he got caught. Yet, he has emerged as a liberal icon. That sounds like a Hollywood movie to me. He also apparently lied when he said his wife was a covert CIA operative. If so, she was the CIA's station chief in Georgetown (As in D.C., not Guyana).

Then there is this lubricous whopper deposited in the Washington Post by the tireless Wilson: "If you take the time to look at the testimony, it makes very clear the extent to which senior officials within this administration embarked on a disinformation campaign, the justification of which was to cover up the lies they said in the first place." The testimony does nothing of the kind. I am coming to like this man, but then, I liked Clifford Irving, the great hoaxer who wrote the bogus autobiography of Howard Hughes. And to be honest, I have a warm spot in my heart for Bill Clinton. It is fortunate for Wilson that he has left no DNA trail marking his lies.

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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 06:50 PM
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1. He lied about Iraq trying to get uranium from Niger, now, did he Emmett?
is that why the Bush administration almost immediately retracted the sixteen words from the SOTU speech, after it was disclosed by Wilson that, indeed, they hadn't?

am I missing something here, or, if they HAD sought the yellowcake, why on earth would they retract those words?

do I really need to go on?

everybody knows what Wilson said about Cheney supposedly ordering the visit. he's playing with words here, "parsing" (as he does in all three supposed lies, just as his nemesis Bill Clinton did ten years ago, much to his glee). Wilson NEVER claimed, much less suggested (and how does one parse a suggestion into a lie, anyway?) that Cheney requested he be sent to Niger.

And, as for the last "lie," what does one make of the term "highest levels of government?" Does he mean that anything under Cheney isn't the highest level of government? And he's relying on CHENEY's office's denial that they ever saw/heard about Wilson's report. Why should anyone EVER believe anything issued from that office?

I wonder if anyone else has answered Tyrell's hogwash.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 06:52 PM
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2. Their "questions" always suck..
Edited on Fri Mar-09-07 06:52 PM by SoCalDem
Is it EVER ok to lie..

The real answer would be.. "it depends on the LIE"

We all know there are lies and then there are LIES..

Telling someone their haircut looks nice is one thing, because once the hair's already gone.. It may be a "lie"..but why tell the truth when it's only going to hurt their feelings.?

BUT telling deliberate lies in order to START A FREAKING WAR... I draw the line at that one :(
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 06:58 PM
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3. got that....and on top of THAT, he said he would NOT take any calls
on the Iraq War, which, of course SHOULD have been the subtext of the question, but, instead seemed to be Tyrell's spewfest about Wilson. It made no sense....some callers tried to make the connection between lying us into this war, but he didn't want to hear it. Instead, he kept returning to the Tyrell column, which he eventually read in its ENTIRETY!

I was only listening, but could hear the deep "interest" (relish?) with which he lingered over his words. I was really mad about it, and would have loved to call in, but I can't ever get through. I did once, actually, to him, and got to raise the question about the Washington Times, but he just brushed it off, saying it was a real newspaper and that Moon's ownership wasn't an important editorial factor!
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:05 PM
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4. a warm spot in his heart for Bill Clinton?
Liar. Goddam liar.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:11 PM
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5. ahh, yes. remember the TT days of Conason, Lyons, and THOTP?
I wonder how much trouble David Brock has sleeping, when he thinks about his role in bringing about this stinking, lying, kleptocracy.....

I know he's done his part to make amends, but his employment by Tyrell was one of the key elements in bringing the impeachment into being, and the DIRECT result of that was Gore's being tainted enough by association to WJC to allow the BFEE to steal the 2000 election

but that's so pre-911, isn't it?

ohhh, for the good old days of the impeachment, yes?
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:57 PM
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13. the David you are talking
about is not the one in the article. Brooks vs. Brock. Brock is now a good guy, Brooks never will be.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:15 PM
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6. I found it rather bizarre that only ONE of the republics who called in
stated unequivocally no lying by the government is acceptable and actually spoke up for open, transparent government. The rest were hemming and hawing and coming up with all sorts of justifications for it. It's no wonder the country's going to hell in a handbasket!

Oh, and I was taken aback by the use of a column chocked full of lies to set up the question about lying, too. :crazy:

I'm off to get a beer, the Bizarro Bush** years are driving me nuts!
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:21 PM
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7. Must have been a

Democrat who called on the GOP line "by mistake." :evilgrin: Or one of those rare, old-fashioned, decent Republicans.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:39 PM
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10. Rare, decent republics...
that's just sad on many levels.

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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:27 PM
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8. it's so important to keep the 'big lie' going, maybe
guys like lamb, john fund, tyrell and a plague o host others know that the political professionals know the truth; they also know we lib/leftists who follow the news also know, so who are they kidding? That's right. The people. Long ago, during the Truman era, after the commies under Mao took over China, Henry Luce's time/life mag started the 'who lost China?' bs and harassed Truman relentlessly over it, though outside of nuke war there wasn't anything to do regards the revolution that threw out the corrupt Chaing Kai Shek regime, and Luce etc knew that. So when the two men ran into each other at an airport, Luce approached Truman, expecting Harry to overlook the 'biz differences' but Truman was truly pissed, and he refused to shake Luce's outstretched hand instead telling him 'your job is to inform our people (about world affairs) but instead you MISINFORM THEM!' before storming away. And that's what the mediawhores like lamb and fund and cnn/foxnews etc do, they LIE to our people (and how that assists them, they don't say)
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:32 PM
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9. great story! I know about Luce/China, but never heard about the Truman bit.
and Truman was a real cold warrior. Containment started with him. The CIA started with him. Blacklisting/loyalty oaths/witch hunts for 'commies under the beds' started under him. the Marshall plan started under him. The Berlin Airlift started under him. The Coup in Greece happened under his aegis, designed to keep the Reds out.

he was no pansyass liberal appeaser, as the RW maniacs like Luce tried to portray him.

never forget, his ragmag, Fortune, supported Mussolini.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 08:11 PM
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15. can't recall where i read that (maybe miller's 'plain speaking' (?))
but it impressed me because, even long ago i saw that so much of the news was bs, and luce was (it turns out) preparing the way for today's outright liars (and how can a well fed, well educated powerful man like luce be a rightwinger in the 1st place -isn't that just shamelessly self serving?)
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:45 PM
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11. EVERYONE LET R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr. HAVE IT!!!!
Edited on Fri Mar-09-07 07:48 PM by LSK
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:54 PM
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12. good idea! they're running the show again on CSPAN 1 right now.
I don't think they've shown the Tyrell fiasco yet, though
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:57 PM
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14. yeah, I just turned that on
Switching between that and Tweety.
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