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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:29 AM
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VetVoice: Afghan Militants Butcher American Soldiers
http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1763

Afghan Militants Butcher American Soldiers
by: Brandon Friedman
Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:18:00 AM EDT


This is kind of a big deal:

SAYDEBAD, Afghanistan -- Not far from here, just off the highway that was once the showpiece of the United States reconstruction effort in Afghanistan, three American soldiers and their Afghan interpreter were ambushed and killed seven weeks ago.

The soldiers -- two of them members of the National Guard from New York -- died as their vehicles were hit by mines and rocket-propelled grenades. At least one was dragged off and chopped to pieces, according to Afghan and Western officials. The body was so badly mutilated that at first the military announced that it had found the remains of two men, not one, in a nearby field.


A source close to the situation explained to me several weeks ago that two of the Americans survived the initial ambush and were captured alive--before being hauled off and butchered. I didn't say anything about it here or elsewhere because a.) I didn't know what the families knew, and b.) I couldn't confirm it with anyone else. As for the soldiers being alive when captured, I still don't know with certainty whether or not that's true or just battlefield rumor. But everything else my source told me has turned out to be correct.

The New York Times explains in more detail:

The three were identified as Sgt. First Class Matthew L. Hilton, 37, of Livonia, Mich., of the Michigan Army National Guard; and Sgt. First Class Joseph A. McKay, 51, of Brooklyn; and Specialist Mark C. Palmateer, 38, of Poughkeepsie, N.Y., both of them part of a reconnaissance, surveillance and target acquisition unit of the New York Army National Guard, according to a Pentagon news release.

Their Afghan interpreter was 21-year-old Muhammad Fahim from Kabul, who had been working with the Americans for the last three years. His body was burned beyond recognition, his family said.

One vehicle struck a mine, but the convoy of three Humvees apparently kept moving, until a second vehicle hit a mine, said Capt. Haji Rahim, who visited the scene afterward. The Humvee caught fire, and the blaze was so strong the trees around it burned too, he said.

Captain Rahim did not see the bodies but learned from an American officer that one or more had been butchered. "Their bodies had no heads, legs or arms," he said. A Western official in Kabul confirmed that at least one of the bodies had been cut up. "Organs were removed," the official said.

Those behind the attack were swiftly identified as a group led by a local man, a former Hesb-e-Islami commander named Mullah Najibullah. Two weeks later United States and Afghan forces tracked him down at his home and killed him and his followers in a siege of the compound, Afghan officials said.


"Organs were removed."

America needs to wake the fuck up. U.S. soldiers are being butchered like animals in Afghanistan and most people have no idea that there's even a war going on there.


Despite the fact that unhelpful Americans like Bing West continue to insist that Afghanistan isn't the central front in this war, the reality on the ground says otherwise. This is a situation that requires an immediate military solution. It is not a situation similar to that in Iraq--where the people are capable of governing themselves, and where U.S. forces are not wanted. This is a situation that requires the use of force to take and hold terrain now controlled by Taliban and other militant groups. Once this is done, non-military means must be utilized to further stabilize the country. Currently, U.S. forces are too few and Afghan forces are too weak to prevent the rampant lawlessness that has infected the extremist-plagued areas of eastern Afghanistan and western Pakistan.

During the first two weeks of August, twice as many coalition forces were killed by hostile fire in Afghanistan as in Iraq.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:34 AM
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1. I'm Sorry
This is evidence that the US views on the Geneva Conventions as being "quaint", are having an effect.

My sympathies to the families of these soldiers and the Afghan interpreter.:(
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:38 AM
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2. bull
The Afghans have been butchering the bodies of their enemies for hundreds if not thousands of years.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:42 AM
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4. Our brutalizing some of their friends I'm sure didn't go over well.
They may have been doing so for hundreds of years, but we haven't helped.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:52 AM
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5. I'm simply arguing the point that this isn't a direct result of anything coming out of
Gonzo's mouth. Not that I want to defend that prick, but some accuracy around here would be nice.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 11:02 AM
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7. OK. The accuracy you long for is in the article from VetVoice.
Why the hell is no one paying attention to this? Not really a question to you, but I surely don't know the answer. Georgia is sexier?
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:20 PM
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11. If you want to read something sickening, read "Charlie Wilson's War".
The movie was very cute, but the book was much more serious, and described in some detail what the Afghans did to Soviet troops. Especially the live ones.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:38 AM
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3. self deleted
Edited on Thu Aug-14-08 10:41 AM by KansDem
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:52 AM
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6. Lord knows American troops have never mutilated an enemy corpse.
All those trophy skulls the WW2 vets & their families want me to dispose of just somehow magically followed them home from the Pacific.

And the cutting off of ears & posing of enemy KIA's in Vietnam is just a figment of everyone's imagination.

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 11:09 AM
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8. But..we belong in Afghanistan! Just like the Greeks, the Brits, and the Russians, did.
And, a bunch of other folks intent on bringing their brand of civilization to the Afghans.

"When you're wounded and lyin' on Afghanistan's plains,
And, the women are coming to cut up the remains,
Just roll on yer rifle and blow out yer brains,
And, go to yer gawd like a soldier."

Rudyard Kipling
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 11:26 AM
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9. Wow, Kipling no less.
Thanks for elevating the discourse around here! :D That poem is as relevant today as ever.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 11:32 AM
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10. My grandfather, as a British soldier fought in Afghanistan.
In another hopeless attempt to "civilize" the Afghans. Unfortunately, he was killed long before I was born but, a few of his tales were told to me by my grandmother.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:23 PM
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12. that's the poem I was looking for
thanks for posting it


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chatnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:35 PM
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13. I vaguely remember hearing long ago that that was what they did to captured Soviet troops also
And the British before them, IIRC.

Prob tried to push it from my mind after hearing about it. :(
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