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maui9002 Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:50 PM
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Don't you have to agree the surge has worked?
NO! Why can't Obama supporters who are interviewed on the weekend and cable talk shows respond to that repeated question more forcefully than they have. And why hasn't the Obama camp been more forceful in repudiating the claim that McCain is the person who is better prepared on national security issues due to his "experience"? I've seen example after example cited here on DU that demonstrates that McCain is exactly the wrong person you'd want if your key issue is national security. But neither Obama himself nor those speaking on his behalf have effectively responded to the proposition that McCain is more experienced regarding and better prepared to handle national security issues than Obama. And, as Ariana Huffington points out on her blog, if you don't challenge that proposition, it becomes accepted as fact in the general electorate.

<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/obamas-vacation-assignmen_b_118253.html>

What Obama and his mouthpieces need is a better set of talking points to respond to this oft repeated question:

Q: Don't you have to agree the surge has worked?

A: No. While violence is down, the key objective of the surge, political reconciliation, has not been achieved. Plus, it's clear that the reduction in violence was underway before the surge was implemented for reasons having nothing to do with an increase in the number of our troops in Iraq. Let's examine the facts behind the question of who's right, and who's wrong, on national security. More than five years after the Bush administration, supported unequivocally by Senator McCain, declared mission accomplished, we still have more than 140,000 troops in Iraq, we're still spending $10 billion a month to keep the peace, and we don't have enough troops to effectively respond to the threats posed by events in Afghanistan and Pakistan, much less track down Osama bin Laden. The real question that voters should ask is "Do you think we should have gone to war in Iraq?" Like President Bush, Senator McCain remains staunchly in favor of the original decision to embark on this disastrous foreign policy blunder. Senator Obama, on the other hand, has argued from the beginning that our decision to attack Iraq was a grave mistake and that our continued occupation with Iraq, then and now, reduces our ability to affect events in Afghanistan and Pakistan, which contrary to what President Bush and Senator McCain believe, is the real central front on the war on terror. So whom would you want in the White House? Someone who thinks and acts just like President Bush, or someone who at least knows that Iraq and Pakistan don't share a common border?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:53 PM
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1. Only the part where we are PAYING BLOOD MONEY to the same folks
who were killing our soldiers for 3-4 years..

Why not let people off death row, and just pay them to not rob, rape & kill ?

same premise..
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maui9002 Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 04:39 PM
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6. A response to all who responded
I don't disagree with anything any of you posted, but just wanted to make sure that the purpose of my original post was to express my frustration that Democratic talking heads haven't been able to say "NO" to this question more forcefully, and that Obama and his supporters haven't been more pro-active in demonstrating why McCain is NOT the right choice if national security is your issue. My point was that (a) the question is unfair (because it assumes the surge did work, which isn't true in my judgement) and (b) Obama and his supporters need to do a better job of counteracting this nonsense about McCain being the obvious choice if national security is your number 1 issue.

My apologies to SoCalDem; I could only respond to one post to make my point and wasn't singling you out.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:54 PM
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2. No, I don't have to agree that the surge worked.
Another reason that the violence is down is because these factions have been able to kill all the people they wanted to weed out of their areas.

There's almost no one left to kill.............
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:58 PM
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3. Its not the surge that worked, its the millions in bribes that worked
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:59 PM
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4. Nor do they have to agree that anything in this
farking mess has been as success. How can there be any success when it resulted in the deaths of 1.2 million people of a sovereign country. And I am sick to death of the cowards who keep running away from this number. FU all.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 02:08 PM
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5. Bribes and ethnic cleansing worked.... not the surge. For what this occupation has cost us,
we could have handed the money directly to each and every Iraqi family and stayed home, letting the Iraqis remove Saddam.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 04:44 PM
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7. No, we are occupying a nation we had no business invading
and failing to provide order and security.

We hunkered down our troops but the Iraqis are still getting blown up.
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