Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The bastards saw this coming

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
TwixVoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 07:49 PM
Original message
The bastards saw this coming
Anyone remember bankruptcy reform? I had completely forgotten about that.... but they pushed it through way before this "credit crisis" happened.

They saw this coming, and the first thing they decided to do was pass "bankruptcy reform" which basically assured many people would become slaves to paying the bank most of their lives.

Very very clever in a sick kind of way...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 07:51 PM
Response to Original message
1. Those voting "aye" on the senate side
Yea 74

Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Salazar (D-CO)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. McCain (R-AZ)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. and Bayh (D-IN)
Next assclown I see pushing this DLC asswipe on us gets the burn...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. and Biden, no surprise there though, Mr. BOFA (formally Mr. MBNA)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #8
16. He didn't just vote for it...
He lead the freakin charge.

-Hoot
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #1
13. thanks for that reminder chimps. I sure hope
none of these jerks becomes a veep nominee.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 03:25 AM
Response to Reply #1
20. Biden. Bayh. They are automatically disqualified for VP. May they
burn in hell for this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 07:52 PM
Response to Original message
2. Sly as foxes, they are ....
We at DU complained mightily about that 'reform', which many congressional Democrats championed : to our collective detriment ......
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #2
27. Wellstone railed hard against it and look what happened to him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 07:55 PM
Response to Original message
3. That's why I love this place. The World's greatest minds work here!
Here's the beauty of your observation: I'd have to guess that some of the people affected by the bankruptcy act are on the Free Republic and they will vote for the party that has enslaved them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 07:58 PM
Response to Original message
5. When you look at who they actually REPRESENT....
It becomes very clear who they are actually working for, and it is NOT the American People.

Every single one of them should be tarred & feathered, have all of their property looted, and permanently kicked out of the country. Fuck'em! They had no problem fucking the American People.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. I agree!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:15 PM
Response to Original message
9. They also made sure soldiers couldn't find safe haven in Canada...
shortly after 9/11, and a year and a half before the war. I think most of this shit has been years in the planning. They knew the housing bubble would eventually burst. They may be incompetent, but they aren't total idiots. I think it would take a full time commission years to uncover all their crimes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:03 AM
Response to Reply #9
24. Reminds me of one of my journal entries on the Carlyle Group . . .
. . . just what DID these buncha snakes know about the events of September 11th? The companies they picked up seem awful dubious, looking back. Curiouser and curiouser . . .


http://journals.democraticunderground.com/HughBeaumont/38
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:15 PM
Response to Original message
10. That's why Bush tried a full court press to get Social Security
funds into the stock market, so when this collapse occurred it would drag all the 401(k)'s into the Bush toilet. Let's be glad he failed at that scheme.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:20 PM
Response to Original message
11. Expect the worst whenever the GOP or blue dogs start yammering about "reform." n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:49 PM
Response to Original message
12. They created it.
The whole terrible mess is their creation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:56 PM
Response to Original message
14. Oh HELL yeah they knew it was coming.
I pretty much knew it was coming when they did it too. Rat Bastards! :grr:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 09:06 PM
Response to Original message
15. "They" saw it coming, even though many of the "they" are now gone
"They saw this coming, and the first thing they decided to do was pass "bankruptcy reform" which basically assured many people would become slaves to paying the bank most of their lives."

And pay, and pay...even after a lot of those banks have become history. :shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:50 AM
Response to Original message
17. I knew when they passed that law that the bubble was going to burst....
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 01:52 AM by file83
...back then everyone was so optimistic and supportive of the law (everyone being Republicans, middle America), saying only tricksters charge up credit and then try to get away without paying the bill...

I knew however that the people pushing for this law knew this was coming. They knew the economy was going to tank. They knew the dollar was going to plunge. They knew the housing market was going to pop.

Think about it - they've been letting people write off credit card debt during bankruptcy for ever. Then they decide to revoke it at the apex of the bubble. Why would they do that? Hmmm....now we know.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 03:03 AM
Response to Original message
18. of couse they KNEW,but we don't know we are just peons...
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 03:07 AM by undergroundpanther
Not just the Bankruptcy bill, but these fuckers ALSO rammed the Frivolous law reform bill through too A.K. the Tort bill.
http://www.thetortellini.com/frivolous_lawsuits/
So even if they screw you, you can't go bankrupt AND you can't sue THEM for screwing you over or not being honest about the contract or switching it around on you.
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS225339+28-Feb-2008+PRN20080228

Usury, to be clear about it, is rich people taking advantage of poor people by lending them money on terms that are sure to make them fail - William Greid

http://notodebtslavery.blogspot.com/
http://landru.i-link-2.net/monques/gillets.html
http://www.bestcyrano.org/THOMASPAINE/?p=692#more-692
A revealing little anecdote about economists.

Q: How does an economist get out of a hole?

A: First, he assumes a ladder.

This whole bubble bust,debt and certain laws passed is the set up for our future indentured servitude.
Corporations are nothing but fictional entities which
have been put into your mind.This slavery to corporations was because you believed a lie. We would be free if the want-to-be-slaves were gone.

To bring the people of America to there knees,
install a Central Government over them and to bind them to a debt that could not be paid. First off you have to understand that the UNITED STATES is a corporation and that it existed before the Revolutionary war.
See Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43. 28 U.S.C. 3002 (15).

Peonage is a system where laborers are bound in servitude until their debts are paid in full. Those bound by such a system are known, in the US, as peons. Employers may extend credit to laborers to buy from employer-owned stores at inflated prices. This method is a variation of the truck system (or company store system), in which workers are exploited by agreeing to work for an insufficient amount of goods and/or services. In these circumstances, peonage is a form of unfree labor. Such systems have existed in many places at many times throughout history.

We are all peons now...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 03:04 AM
Response to Original message
19. duh
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 03:05 AM by undergroundpanther
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 03:56 AM
Response to Original message
21. Guess what? Guess what else they see coming?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=+SC20060206&articleId=1897

Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps

Editor's Note: A little-known $385 million contract for Halliburton subsidiary KBR to build detention facilities for "an emergency influx of immigrants" is another step down the Bush administration's road toward martial law, the writer says.

A Halliburton subsidiary has just received a $385 million contract from the Department of Homeland Security to provide "temporary detention and processing capabilities."

The contract -- announced Jan. 24 by the engineering and construction firm KBR -- calls for preparing for "an emergency influx of immigrants, or to support the rapid development of new programs" in the event of other emergencies, such as "a natural disaster."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lynettebro440 Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:52 AM
Response to Original message
22. I filed bankruptcy 2 months before the new reforms
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 06:53 AM by lynettebro440
went into effect. Man am I glad I did. Because I was reading on DU at the time, I knew what they were up to. I have stayed away from credit cards, loans, anything with owing anyone anything. The rat bastards changed the bankruptcy law at the same time they put that cute little clause on all your bills, if you are late on one bill they can all raise the interest rates on all your bills. That was a big red flag. I have been a vocal advocate to stay the hell away from credit and live only on your means.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:59 AM
Response to Original message
23. It goes a lot deeper than that...think of the tax cuts.
Everyone was baffled as to why on Earth a president would CUT taxes during a time of crisis, then refuse to even consider raising them when it was clear the treasury had run dry. Why? Of course...they -- the same "theys," btw -- saw this coming, as you said. Search my old posts and you'll see that I've written about this several times. The policies BushCo was pursuing made this cash/credit crisis inevitable. What better hedge against a looming depression than to make sure you and your buddies have all the cash safely tucked away in the Cayman Islands? The tax cuts alone have made the difference for some of these people, whether they get to ride out it like the Newport and Kennebunkport set, or whether they'll be eating Chinese-made dog food in a year.

.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:31 AM
Response to Original message
25. No shit! Have to have that tactic in place for disaster economics to
work effectively. Indentured slavery is a must to achieve maximum social control.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:48 AM
Response to Original message
26. Welcome to the enlightened
All you have to do to understand this entire presidency is to remove the notion that they were ever trying to do what's best for the country. It was always about enriching themselves and the megacorporations. Bankruptcy "reform" was one leg of that, the others were the gutting of enviromental and business regulation (or just defunding the regulatory body) and the war in Iraq. A war that was designed to fail. Bush might be stupid but Cheney is lethally clever. He has the expertise on hand to do Iraq properly if they were hell-bent on doing it (in, capture or kill Hussein, set up some form of interim government and out in perhaps six months). Instead, they chose a course which was inevitibly going to lead to the current chaos. That chaos has helped the price of oil skyrocket and doubled or tripled the profits of the oil companies. Yes, a lot of people die but it's not them or their loved ones being shot at, so what do they care?

And you can do this with every single issue. Social Security wasn't in crisis but if it was, two reasonable people could have sat down and worked out a solution in a couple of hours. Instead, the Administration chose to push privatisation. Pick an issue, any issue. This whole administration has been about the crippling of government and the channelling of money and power to the corporate class. With the exception of privatisation failing, everything over the last seven years has gone exactly the way Cheney wanted it to.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:00 AM
Response to Original message
28. The training ground? The Savings and Loan Crisis, 1985-1991
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 05:27 PM
Response to Original message
29. I expect if the country is to recover, there will have to be an amnesty.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 08th 2024, 07:13 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC