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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:14 PM
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Former Dugway Scientist Tells All
http://www.project-112shad-fdn.com/News_96.htm


Former Dugway scientist tells all
Tooele Transcript Bulletin Online Edition
August 7, 2003

by Michael Rigert
Staff Writer

...

Bienek, who now resides in Huntsville, Utah, told the Tooele Transcript-Bulletin of several instances where supervisors disregarded security protocols, lied in reports or presented conflicting information about anthrax and other weapons-grade germs and chemicals during his tenure at Dugway from 1989 to 1993.

“In one meeting, I was asked to sign a letter being sent to Governor Bangerter and the state of Utah which said that we weren’t producing any more than laboratory samples of anthrax. About five to 10 milliliters. After I signed the letter, they said ‘we want to produce 30 gallons of anthrax.’ I said, ‘you can’t lie to the governor and the people of Utah like that.’ Either we tell the governor about the 30 gallons or we tell them nothing,” Bienek said.

...

Dr. Bienek said organizational corruption flourished at Dugway under a system of cronyism where violations of policy were covered up, employees who didn’t go along with lies were removed and people who cow-towed to the corruption were promoted.

“I kept finding lies and discrepancies in meetings and written documents,” Bienek said.
When his supervisor and director of the Baker Lab learned Bienek wasn’t going to go along with the lies, Bienek said the director did everything in his power to silence him and get him off the base.


Much more at the link.

This may go much deeper than the Ivins case. What was all this anthrax going to be used for?


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:16 PM
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1. THANKS
:hi:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 10:14 PM
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15. Dugway sounds like a big mess!
Why isn't anyone in the media even mentioning this?! Calling 60 Minutes!!

:hi:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:17 PM
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2. Rec 1 of 1000
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:23 PM
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3. kick
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:25 PM
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4. This is starting to sound more and more like "V for Vendetta"
:tinfoilhat:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:41 AM
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18. Jerome Hauer began working at OEM in WTC7 on 9/10.
:tinfoilhat:

Jerome Hauer who is now on the Board at Emergent/Bioport.

:tinfoilhat:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 02:30 AM
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19. On the same floor as CIA (large space) and DOD offices n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 02:32 AM
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20. That's it. Now I have to go check under the bed and in the closets.
lol

:)
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 04:28 AM
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22. Can your tinfoil hat handle this?

The company Ion Beam Applications makes the equipment used to irradiate mail to neutralize any danger of anthrax exposure. They also make a particle accelerator (cyclotron) that was sold to Iran which is feared could be used to make nuclear weapons. Pulsed particle beam research is also being done for weapons that can blast through anything at long distances. (If I go any further I'll end up in the dungeon.)
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:08 PM
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28. The same Jerome Hauer who gave Cheney Citpro on 9/11 and who
was on tv as an "expert" about 30 minutes after the towers fell.
( See Internet Archives-Wayback machine for minute by minute multiple tv channel footage of 9-11--very very telling stuff viewed from this distance now).
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:19 PM
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29. From the 911 Review website...
Hauer ignored one report by Barbara Rosenberg (on possible anthrax suspects), but he certainly knew who she was. He first met her on April 10, 1998, at a "roundtable on genetic engineering and biological weapons" under President Clinton. The small group of outside experts and cabinet members present there included: William Cohen (at the time Secretary of Defense), CIA boss George Tenet, Craig Ventner (Celera), Joshua Lederberg (Rockefeller University, Defense Science Board), Thomas Monath (Oravax/Acambis, former CDC and USAMRIID), Hauer, and Barbara Rosenberg. In November 2001, Hauer was still ignoring the investigations by Barbara Rosenberg, who had already worked out a list of possible anthrax suspects, scientists who would have been able to gain access to the original Ames strain from USAMRIID, Fort Detrick. http://www.fas.org/bwc/news/anthraxreport.htm

Among the suspects on this list were Battelle and the Battelle Memorial Institute administrators, who supplied the Dugway anthrax proving facility in Utah, where the only virtually identical Ames strain of silica-impregnated hyper-weaponized anthrax was found: http://www.stlimc.org/print.php3?article_id=1295 Meanwhile, Hauer in November started an initiative known as "De-Mystifying the Biological Weapons Debate," and as a member of this group he claimed at the time that the suspects for the anthrax attacks included "Osama Bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists" http://www.basicint.org/BWreport.htm

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:30 PM
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5. “So there is treatment for anthrax?”
Edited on Sun Aug-10-08 04:33 PM by seemslikeadream
http://www.greatbasinweb.com/gb2-2/westdesertstories.htm

At the Dugway Proving Ground, Army and CIA personnel tested aerial and ground dispersions of nerve agent, dangerous viruses, the microbes that cause anthrax and the plague, as well as the hallucinogens LSD and BZ. A nerve gas accident in 1968 killed 6,000 sheep. By some estimates one-third of Dugway’s 1,000 square miles is con-taminated and will be off limits forever.

To the southeast, in Rush Valley, I see rows and rows of concrete bunkers, like little houses in suburbia. That’s the Tooele Army Depot, where chemical nerve agents are stored, enough to kill every living thing on the planet. You get just a tiny bit of this stuff on your skin or in your lungs and pretty soon you notice some difficulty breathing, then you begin to slobber and drool, then you urinate, defecate, and fall down on the floor and writhe about in convulsions until you go into a coma and die. The Army is now building an incinerator to destroy this poison, and it’s none too soon either, as the containers inside the bunkers have started to leak. Habitual dumping of hazardous solvents has polluted a large aquifer.

Beyond Tooele to the east, lies the Kennecott Copper smelter, Kennecott has also polluted an aquifer, one that could have supplied water to 50,000 people a year.

To the north, I see Magcorp, a magnesium plant spewing a long plume of chlorine gas into the air, and to the northwest, the West Desert Hazardous Industries Area, a special 100 square mile plot of land set aside for incinerators and landfills.

At the Dugway Proving Ground, the tests are now done indoors under very anxious safety regulations. I talk with Dr. Gary Resnick of Dugway’s Baker Lab inside the level three containment room

“This is where we do our aerosol work,” he explains. “This is a class three glove box. Remember that there are three types of safety cabinets. This is the highest level, and you can see there are glove ports, it’s totally sealed when it is in operation, and they test it with freon to make sure there are no leaks. So we have three layers of containment:the room is a layer of containment, the chamber is a layer of containment, and then the aerosol itself is actually inside that aerosol system inside the glove box.”

“What kinds of aerosols do you test? Could you run through them?” I ask.

“Yersinea Pestus, attenuated strain; coxilli burnetti, which causes Q fever; bacillius subtelus variety niger, which is a simulant; ms two coloflage which is a simulant, it doesn’t cause disease; botulinum toxin, which causes botulism; staphlococcus enterotoxin B, which causes the food poisoning that’s common from eating potato salad that’s been left at room temperature. I think I got them all.”

“Yellow fever?”

“No, I don’t believe so.”

“Is there cholera here?”

“How do you mean here? Do we have samples of cholera in the building?”

“Yes.”

“That’s correct.”

“ Well, how about anthrax?”

“Bacillus anthracis?”

“Yes.”

“It’s an organism that causes a serious illness, and there is treatment, there is a vaccine for it which appears to be very effective, and there is treatment for anthrax. Once again we use attenuated strains when we can. And we actually have a very good simulant for anthrax. So we don’t use anthrax all that often.”

“So there is treatment for anthrax?”

“Uh-humm.”

“So what you are saying is that it’s safe, and the public shouldn’t worry.”











http://www.hazardouswaste.utah.gov/HWBranch/CDSection/CDS/DPG/Dugway%20Part%20B%20Permit/DPG%20Module%207%20files/DPG7_Attach1.pdf




Dugway aims to revive Cold War lab
http://www.citizensedproject.org/newbakerlab.pdf
TOOELE - A relic Cold War building, where Army scientists once secretly studied the effects of biochemical weapons, would be renovated and reopened under a proposal by officials from Dugway Proving Grounds. Under the proposal, the controversial Baker Lab would be rebuilt with asmany as 25 new biological testing areas, including one that would be the largest of its kind for testing the effects of so-called Level-3 biological agents, such as an aerosol form of anthrax, on detection systems. Dugway officials say post-Sept. 11, 2001, demands for testing ofprotective equipment and warning systems simply can't be met in their current lab space. "We really don't have enough adequate lab space to do what we're doing,"said Doug Anderson, chief of the aerosol technology branch at Dugway's West Desert Test Center. But critics say they've heard this story before. "They're certainly continuing a pattern that causes arched eyebrows,"said Steve Erickson, whose Citizen's Education Project has been a longtime watchdog over Dugway's activities. Erickson noted that public outcry over a proposal to open a Level-4 lab, designed to test the effects of evenmore dangerous pathogens than those currently acknowledged as being tested at Dugway, was thwarted in the late 1980s when the plan came to public light. But just a few years later - "under the cover of the first Gulf War," Erickson said - the Army succeeded in constructing a new Level-3 lab, the Life Sciences Test Facility. Finished in 1997, the lab was intended to replace Baker. "Now they're saying they need even more space? That they need to reopen a lab they just closed? I'm not
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:33 PM
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6. K&R yes it is eerily similar to V For Vendetta.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:33 PM
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7. What was all the anthrax going to be used for? Maybe the same reason USG ordered 500k coffins.
US Government Stockpiles 500000 coffins in Atlanta

Excellent article and question, AntiFascist. It certainly gets at the heart of the problems we face.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:39 PM
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8. Judge Rules In Dugway Whistleblower Case

http://web.ksl.com/dump/news/cc/breaking/dugway.htm
Judge Rules In Dugway Whistleblower Case
August 11, 2002--

MICK HARRISON/ATTORNEY FOR WHISTLEBLOWER: "IT'S CERTAINLY ONE OF THE LARGEST AWARDS TO A WHISTLEBLOWER THAT I'VE HEARD OF. PERHAPS THE LARGEST IN HISTORY."

DAVID W. HALL/DUGWAY WHISTLEBLOWER: "THE JUDGE HAS LITERALLY GIVEN ME BACK MY LIFE."

A former Army chemist wins a big one over the Army... as a judge comes down hard... backing up the whistleblower in his battle over safety concerns at Dugway Proving Ground.

David Hall says he was forced to retire by Dugway in 1996 because they were trying to shut him up.

Now, a federal administrative law judge says he agrees.

And he's just ordered the Army to pay Hall a million and a half dollars... plus attorney fees.

News Specialist John Hollenhorst has the exclusive story.

The trial was held last year before a Department of Labor Judge... possibly the longest whistleblower trial ever...stretching over 12 weeks.

Now the judge has finally issued his 130 page ruling. In very strong language he says the Army blatantly tried to shut David Hall up on safety issues.

Hall and his attorney had a celebratory lunch today. The judge's ruling means their six-year battle is over, unless the Army appeals.

Hall began working at Dugway as a chemist in 1986. He noticed numerous safety and environmental problems: gas masks that didn't work, sites contaminated with chemical weapons, workers flushing chemicals illegally down drains. When he tried to get things fixed, he claims the army tried to discredit him, swept his concerns under the rug, and forced hiim to retire. Now, the judge has backed up Hall's version of events.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 05:41 PM
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14. $1.5 million? That's neither a reward or an incentive for future whistle blowers.
It's gotta hurt to be an effective punishment and that's what, an hour's worth of what the Army spends in Iraq?

Bad Judge!
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:48 PM
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13. FBI believes anthrax scientist killed with manipulated spores from Dugway lab
Thank you Octafish!

Anyone notice this article updated on Aug. 8th, 2008, or was it buried with all the Olympics, Edwards, and Georgian war coverage?

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_10136522


...

The Utah anthrax strain, referred to in the documents as "Dugway Ames spores Ð 1997" or "RMR Ð1029," was one of two that Ivins is said to have used to produce a third strain that he mailed to public officials and media outlets.
The FBI documents suggest that Ivins used specialized techniques to cover his tracks once he had obtained the anthrax from Dugway while he worked at Fort Detrick.

...

"We are the nation's test center for chemical and biological defense," she said. "And we are doing business as usual."


Huh, what a business it is.

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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:40 PM
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26. I'm curious
The Utah anthrax strain, referred to in the documents as "Dugway Ames spores Ð 1997" or "RMR Ð1029," was one of two that Ivins is said to have used to produce a third strain that he mailed to public officials and media outlets.

"one of two"

Has anyone seen anything about the originating point of the 2nd one? I looked through the article to see if if specifies that but didn't see anything to indicate where it originated. I wonder if it was from yet another lab.

Great job on looking more closely at the Dugway connection.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:05 PM
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24. that is alarming!
what the fuck would the government need with 1/2 million caskets?!
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:24 PM
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25. Good question. Especially when they're just gonna dig a big hole and push the corpses in.
On the other hand, maybe they're going to use lead-lined caskets so the biological agents don't leach into the soil. Probably not.


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:41 PM
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9. Dugway proposes training against WMD attacks
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595098818,00.html

Dugway Proving Ground's proposal to increase its role in testing chemical and biological weapons defenses and counterterrorism training has reached a final stage.
The plan calls for testing of chemical weapons simulants outdoors and testing defenses for actual chemical or biological materials in special labs, according to a 2002 draft document of the Army's plan.

"New types of testing, training and technology development" are anticipated at Dugway, according to the draft document.

A report released Friday proposes a permanent annex to the Lothar Salomon Life Sciences Test Facility, where biological defense tests are run. Buildings for communications and testing protective gear are being proposed for the Dugway site, located in a remote area of Tooele County.

There is also a proposal under the Army's seven-year plan at Dugway for a mock city in which to test defenses against chemical and biological terrorist attacks. Counterterrorism training at the Dugway site would increase from "minimal" to "substantial."

When the proposal was in the draft environmental impact statement stage in 2002, immediate concern surfaced from Steve Erickson, speaking for the group Citizens Education Project.

Erickson was critical then of Dugway's "past track record" and expressed concern that the U.S. might be inching closer to the development of offensive biological weapons.
Since that time public meetings have been held to discuss the plan, which now awaits further approval from the Pentagon.

Dugway was already the nation's leading bioweapon and defense test military zone. The proposal would double testing on the base — a Rhode Island-size patch of desert 60 miles southwest of Salt Lake City — and increase counterterrorism training "from a minimal activity to a substantial mission component."

Dugway is the only Army installation large and remote enough to conduct "comprehensive and realistic" testing of biological and chemical systems, munitions, smoke and obscurants without posing a risk to public safety, according to the three-volume proposal.

The facility's mission expanded after Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990 and the United States found Iraq capable of germ warfare. In 1991, Dugway began anthrax testing, eventually testing several deadly germs in order to find a way to detect bioattacks in times of war. Dugway now stores the pathogens in a secure laboratory
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:46 PM
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10. Ancient Secrets US Govt Holds Thousands of Classified Technical
http://www.thememoryhole.org/mil/dtic-classified-reports.htm

Any one interested in reading/downloading a declassified list of titles of 50 year old, still classified, Department of Defense documents should use this link. The list contains the document titles of many Dugway experiments.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:47 PM
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11. Anthrax was going to be used to get rid of Democrats.
30 gallons is about right.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:48 PM
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12. Scientist after scientist have said that Ivins' lab did not have the means
to change the liquid he was working with into powder. It is obviously quite difficult and requires many special steps and elaborate equipment. I believe that Bush/Cheney et al either suicided Ivins or drove him to it...so that this could be swept under the counter before they left office...i.e. case closed...suspect guilty and dead...cannot defend himself. We cannot let this die. We are "the people."
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 10:47 PM
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16. will Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reid, and the Corp Media continue to sit this one out
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:55 AM
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17. It's gotta be really really tough to try to be an 'honest person' in Utah......
God bless/thanks to those
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 02:46 AM
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21. "employees who didn’t go along with lies were removed
"and people who cow-towed to the corruption were promoted

Hypocrisy through and through. From cradle to grave. "Don't worry, be happy", even if you lost your job and can't have health insurance, and are now homeless with dog and or kids in tow.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 11:15 AM
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23. I always get the creeps driving past that area
And everything I've read about it does little to reassure my raised neckhairs.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:25 PM
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27. kick
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