Forget Elizabeth. In running - knowing he would implode - Edwards betrayed every person on earth!

[DeadElephant_ORG]

I backed John Edwards. When the Right-wing pundits ridiculed his hair, his apparent self-infatuation, his "narcissism", I was outraged.

Now we discover that the Right was right about John - and that even John agrees. That idiotic son-of-a-bitch knew that his effort to become President was doomed, and would cost the world ANOTHER EIGHT YEARS of neoFacist destruction of democracy, another eight years of environmental destruction, another eight years of a holy war for Armageddon.

Poor Elizabeth? She knowingly went along with the game of chicken that John played with all of our lives. To hell with her, and her feelings! And to hell with John and his CONTINUING narcissistic personality disorder: "I've been stripped naked", "You can't hurt me any worse than I've hurt myself". Oh for God's sake, just nail me to fucking cross and worship me.

I can't believe that I backed that bastard.

We are sooooooo lucky that his campaign failed. It's as if an asteroid just narrowly missed our planet.

[madaboutharry]

1. I hope you feel better now that you got that

off your chest! :)

I agree, he really was a shmuck.

I am not sure how I feel about Mrs. Edwards. I don't know what to think about her.

[elizm]

11. She betrayed the Democratic party as much as John Edwards did...

She knew about it and therefore put the entire election in jeopardy as much as he did.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

20. The election isn't in jeopardy.

McCrap is sucking wind.

[elizm]

22. It WOULD have been in jeopardy if Edwards was the nominee...She knew that..

And still played along with the deception.

[isentropic]

35. McCrap has an enormous machine backing him...and megabucks.

Beating him will be tremendously hard...you probably don't run into many non-DU types...there are millions upon millions of them.

[azmesa207]

39. You people

sure like to kick other democrats around Clinton and Edwards have a little dalliance and you go bug eyed crazy . Reagan McCain Gingrich have affairs and dump there wifes and you say nothing that what wrong with the democrats they eat there own and fail to attack republican for there dirty little secretes

[question everything]

43. And when Reagan and McCain declared their candidacies their voters

were aware of their infidelities.

And this is the point. Not that Edwards had an affair, but that both chose to cover it up and to go ahead with his campaign. He should have come out with it and then it would have been up to us to decide whether we wanted to support him.

(Oh, and by the way, I've heard that with Reagan it was his first wife who dumped him...)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

98. Thank God he didn't win the nomination - I supported him too and sent money.

He should have taken himself out.

[polichick]

2. Well, he would have to step aside now if he were the nominee - so I guess choice #2 would step in.

[thewiseguy]

7. I dont want to even imagine that disaster

We would have surely lost

[polichick]

9. McCain's past would've been in the spotlight too, so maybe it would've evened out...

But I think it was RECKLESS of both John and Elizabeth to run with this thing hanging over them.

[thewiseguy]

10. No it would not have

McCain did not lie about an affair while running for president. McCain did not pay off the woman he was having an affair with from the campaign funds.

[polichick]

15. But he's a creepy misogynist - we could make an issue of it.

[thewiseguy]

17. We could make an issue of it?

:eyes:

[polichick]

19. Sure, but Dems usually choose not to go there...

If we had a candidate with the record McCain has, they'd be all over it.

[Kahuna]

53. No. It's not as easy as that. Sheesh. Haven't you noticed how the media..

is trying to keep that little fact AWAY from public discussion????

[Salviati]

12. Nah.. McAffair would have still gotten a pass...

Remember, it's ok if you're a republican and you leave your wife for your mistress, but god help you if you're a democrat and you stick by your wife and work things out (except that of course he won't because god is a republican) :puke:

[polichick]

16. They only get a pass because Dems allow it - every Obama surrogate could mention it.

[cliffordu]

3. Rofl.

[Honeycombe8]

4. I was not a supporter, but I liked him. I agree. I see him as totally fake now. The $400 haircut.

has taken on a new meaning, in my eyes.

[Bobbieo]

18. That $400 haircut did it for me. I lost interest in the man

when I discovered the money came from campaign funds.

[H2O Man]

5. Legalize Slim Whitman.

[DJ13]

6. You backed that bastard because he spoke to your heart

Now you sound like a jilted lover.

His message was what was important, not his penis.

[thewiseguy]

8. His message was fake. This was all about him and power.

[polichick]

13. Many here recognized his slick ways - and even though I liked his anti-corporate stance....

...I asked several times whether he was really a snake oil salesman.

Sometimes people see what they want to see, or desperately need to see. I really wanted to believe he was sincere about getting big business lobbyists out of DC, and I'm still grateful he brought that issue to the campaign ~ it was adopted by both Obama and Clinton.

[thewiseguy]

21. Yes the trial lawyer with the $400 haircut was concerned about the poor

The guy lives in a mansion and he was a champion for the poor? :rofl:

I wonder whether he ever had those poor folks in mind when he went shoe shopping with his mistress...

[polichick]

24. Don't forget that the wealthy Kennedys care about the poor...

...and acted on it in their government positions.

[Pastiche423]

90. Don't forget that he went to work for a hedge fund...

to study poverty!

[The Doctor.]

47. LOL! Sure buddy!

He had an affair, that means he must not really have wanted to eliminate poverty or uphold the rule of law!

My God what's wrong with you people... you get here in February and by August you think the stupid won't get noticed?

[thewiseguy]

61. And whats wrong with you?

You seem to have no problem with Edwards lying to the party and possibly putting our chances of winning the election in jeopardy.

Furthermore you seem to have no problem with Edwards paying off this woman from his campaign funds.

[The Doctor.]

65. Ummmm.... yeah.

"Lying" about what? Something that's none of anyone's fucking business?

Oh, you mean he didn't come forward and reveal his personal family business?

As for the campaign funds; I gather she worked for the campaign... so she would be paid in campaign funds.

OMG! What a scandal!



You people, and a big chunk of the country, need to grow up.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

67. the point is he shouldn't have run. HE's the one who made his infidelity everybody's business.

[The Doctor.]

69. What? Ok, now you're just losing it.

How did he make it everyone's business?!?

Ummm.... no, it was a tabloid that did. And right wing sleazemongers. And outrage junkies like you.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

82. He ran for PRESIDENT, and asked us to all to cast our lot in with HIM

That makes his vulnerabilities OUR vulnerabilities. Before we reject other viable candidates in favor of him, we need to be fully informed of the RISKS of doing so. He knew of a serious risk to his candidacy and chose to hide that from us. That's know different from a surgeon recommending a surgery without telling the patient about the high death rate of the procedure.

Presidential candidates are not the only people who must be willing to conduct their lives more transparently than the rest of us. There are many types of "personal matters" which are not permitted to be personal for CEOs, cops, school teachers, spies, etc. If he doesn't want to live a transparent life, he should not run for office.

[whatchamacallit]

14. Yeah, it's worth questioning why - knowing he had this skeleton in his closet - he ran

:shrug:

[ladeyday]

26. If he had come out in public with it, it might have been ok

[Arugula Latte]

23. I was originally an Edwards supporter, but I'm furious he jeopardized

the Democrats' chances of taking back the White House from the criminal GOP. Just imagine if he'd been the nominee and this blew up in his face... :grr:

[ladeyday]

25. Elizabeth is just as guilty

once she found out, she conspired with him to put the Democratic party (& the country) in jeopardy. She made all the right moves to give the appearance of the all American family, even taking their children, the REAL victims here, out of school. If he wasn't ready to step aside, she could have at least stayed out of the spotlight rather than help him perpetuate a fraud on his supporters. I wasn't one of the latter, but would have been prepared to vote for him if he had been nominated.
I don't care how many women he was with, how many babies he made outside his marriage. What I care about is that they BOTH lied (omitted the truth).
Surely, with her medical situation, she would have wanted to keep her integrity intact in her remaining years.

[polichick]

27. I agree with you, but that won't be a popular view here...

Elizabeth is seen as a saint by many.

Welcome to DU!

[ladeyday]

31. I think I liked her more than her husband

Sure thought she was brave. I am in a group of healthcare workers from New Mexico going to Denver the 27th. Part of the time there was to march for universal healthcare & a speech by Elizabeth. Guess the latter won't be happening.

We have to look at our people as we know the right wing folks will look at them. Certain things can fly, and others are a dead end. Too much at stake this year.

Thanks for the welcome.

[Chloroplast]

28. I understand that you feel betrayed.

And it's good to get your frustrations out and realize that politicians are also human beings that make mistakes. Would the affair have made a difference in his ability to lead? No. I just wish that the Democratic Party would rally around the Edwards family and show support and hope that they're able to become stronger after the ordeal. I also hope that this doesn't end his political aspirations because I truly believe that he has a lot to offer our nation; it'll just take time.

[thewiseguy]

29. You do realize that he used campaign funds to pay off that woman?

[Chloroplast]

32. That may be but I doubt he's the first to do so.

He exhibited poor judgment and should repay that money from his own pocket if he's allowed to. At the end of the day, John Edwards cheating on his wife is not our business and we should respect their privacy at this time.

[azmesa207]

40. He used campaign funds to pay woman

off where in the hell did you come up that information the National Enquirer

[thewiseguy]

62. No CNN.

The federal government does release records of campaign spending and Edwards did pay this woman $114,000 for production of web videos.

Mind you this woman had no experience in this field and met Edwards at a bar.

[Carolina]

99. say what you will, but the Enquirer

WAS RIGHT! And that baby may yet be his.

[Kahuna]

54. Yeah? Really? They endangered the whole party with the fraud they

perpetrated. I never was gaga over either one of them. Their blind ambition creeped me out. I don't really have much sympathy for either one of them. I wish them well, but I won't be embracing them any time soon.

[liberalmuse]

30. Then so did the Kennedys, and FDR, and Churchill, and so on, and so on....

Really, it's all the panty sniffers who make another person's personal affairs their business who are to blame. It's the media pimps and their many customers who propogate this shit. I backed Edwards, and don't regret it. I think he'd make a fine President. If you feel cheated because Edwards didn't meet your lofty ideals, then you've only yourself to fault.

[SammyWinstonJack]

36. Pantie sniffers and feigned outrage(rs). I backed Edwards and I don't regret that at all.

He would have made a fine President, but that was never going to happened, and not because he had an affair. It wasn't going to happen because our corprat OverLords wouldn't have allowed it. Edwards scared the bejeebus out of them.

[nsd]

37. The OP isn't arguing that this scandal would affect his ability to be president ...

... but that it would affect is ability to *become* president. Regardless of whether voters should pay any attention to candidates' personal lives, the simple truth is that they do and Edwards was putting the party at risk by running.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

41. I don't care about his sex life - IT'S HIS ELECTABILITY THAT MATTERS

and you damned well understood that's what I was saying. I don't feel "betrayed" because I'm a prude, or because I give a sh#t about John Edwards marital life.

HE FLAT-OUT LIED ABOUT A FACT THAT WOULD HAVE MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO WIN THE WHITE HOUSE AWAY FROM THE NEOCONS. PERIOD.

He's a fraud, and self-serving ass-wipe.

[blm]

49. And not a one of them had 24/7 cable news slavishly doing the bidding of fascist masters as every

Dem candidate now has to deal with and counter in every way possible.

Gore and Kerry were two of the biggest boy scouts our party ever put up for nomination, but corporate media and the fascist agenda demanded that their earned elections being papered over by the deceit of the RNC .

[Pastiche423]

94. How long have you known him?

Do you have any inkling as to how he voted while in the senate? Do you even know when he entered the senate?

[Carolina]

100. the times are so different, as is the media...

Kennedy and FDR would never have made it past the current GOP slime machine within the M$M. That's why what Edwards and his wife did was so dastardly. They knew the political climate of 2008, they knew how high the stakes are and they had to have known that this would come out. They perpetrated a fraud on their supporters, and had he managed to become our nominee, we'd be in utter dosarray right now.

[krabigirl]

108. And Clinton, and oh yeah, Sarkozy, and most of the presidents of European countries

[EFerrari]

33. LOL!

:rofl:

[sniffa]

34. The Burmese weep over this

[hlthe2b]

38. I believe they've launched a nationwide self-immolation chain...

in response to the news. :eyes:

[question everything]

42. Interesting perspective

Like you, I supported and contributed to him. In both campaigns.

When they decided to keep the campaign, it was Elizabeth who said that taking back the White House, fighting for health care coverage for all, and fighting poverty, were more important than her illness.

Both of then should have realized that in these days of YouTube and the Internet and bloggers such secrets cannot be kept secrets for long time. Both of them should have realized that had he been the nominee, and the secret were exploding as in.. now, this would have been the end of capturing the White House.

Perhaps Obama's health care plan is not ideal; perhaps Hillary's neither, but at least we have a chance of doing something. Had Edwards been the nominee, this would have been the end of all his great policies.

[spooked]

44. I am now thinking that HE RAN SO HE COULD HAVE HIS AFFAIR!

Running for President is a great cover for being in California to see your mistress, isn't it?!

And putting your mistress on your presidential payroll works too!!

I backed Edwards, but I always wondered why he was running when his wife was facing cancer again...

[The Doctor.]

45. Unbelievable. How far some people have sunk. "The Right was right about John"?!?

Nuh-uh. Nothing that he's done makes anyone who criticed his haircuts 'right'.

That's just some myopic bullshit. His personal life has nothing to do with his running for office, the the 'right' has taken us all down this filthy road judging our candidates by their personal, private lives.

And there are so many fools that treat this crap as legitimate.

I call, I scream BULLSHIT.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

48. His personal life has EVERYTHING to do with his SUCCESSFULLY running for office

This is NOT about sex. It's about electability. Suppose he'd withheld a medical diagnosis that he was certain to die before Election Day. Wouldn't Democrats (at the very least) be entitled to know that?

John Edwards KNEW that his campaign would implode! And he flat out LIED.

[The Doctor.]

50. What he knew was that his FAMILY had an issue they'd already dealt with.

And if it came up during the GE, he could have dealt with it.

Your assumption that Democrats won't vote for him because of an affair that's long since been dealt with by his family just insults Democrats.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

55. He was running to be OUR PRESIDENT, and asked us to all to cast our lot in HIM

He fucking owed us the truth about his liabilities.

You and I agree about the false role that sex and fidelity play in today's politics. (and drugs) But that's the landscape in which this very high stakes game is played. You wrote: "if it came up during the GE, he could have dealt with it." Well, God-damn-it, it came up, didn't it? Of course if fucking came up. And if John were our presumptive nominee today, you and I would both be shitting bricks. If I'd known that he had this little "family issue" to "deal with" I would never have cast my lot with him. I'm not a prude. I'm a pragmatist.

A man who asks to be the the leader of 250 million of us, and to control the vast machinery of the most powerful nation in history, must be willing to give us full transparency - not just so that we can assess his suitability for the job, but so that we can determine his viability before we invest ourselves in him. Sadly, what we have learned here is that John Edwards was neither viable, nor suitable.

I don't like liars.

[The Doctor.]

56. He owed NOTHING because it's NONE OF OUR BUSINESS where his dick has been.

Your judgement that he is not 'suitable' for office because of a personal matter is exactly why it could pose a problem to a campaign. Starting with you, Americans have to realize that unless they're running on 'family morals', a candidate's personal life has nothing to do with their 'suitability' for office.

And yes, it's quite possible he would have been able to deal with it. McCain couldn't have touched the issue with a 50' pole, and any ads by PACs would get answered the same way. Hell, just having it in the media during the GE would open up both candidate's pasts... and I guarantee Edwards would come out on top. Meanwhile, it would be worth having the discussion about whether personal business belongs in political discourse.

It would be nice to exorcise that particular penchant from our society.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

59. My judgement is that he is not 'suitable' because he is a LIAR

and that he's not viable because voters won't go for a guy who cheats on his wife while she's dying. (I just can't think why that would be...)

Really, given that HE knew that his dick had been someplace that voters wouldn't accept, he showed extraordinarily poor judgment in choosing to run at all. It was immoral for John Edwards to ask us climb on-board his ocean liner while he knew that he was headed straight at an iceberg.

[The Doctor.]

68. She wasn't 'dying' in 2006, her cancer looked beaten.

Meanwhile, lying about something that's none of anyone's fucking business (when did he 'lie' anyway?), does not disqualify someone from holding office.

If it did, we would never elect another president. As for your belief that it would have screwed us, I addressed that already.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

72. Oh, if she was in remission I take it all back! You're right, nobody would be repelled by THAT.

If John Edwards wants to commit political suicide, you're right, it's nobody's fucking business --- just so long as it isn't asking for my support at the same time that he's committing suicide.

And, yes, he lied repeatedly when asked directly about his affair. He'd have kept my respect if his answer had been, as you say, "it's none of your fucking business". But that is not what he said. Instead he got all offended exclaiming about a "pack of lies". It was just ugly.

None of this disqualifies him from hold office. However, it does disqualify him from OBTAINING the office.

[The Doctor.]

74. You just made an incorrect statment in an attempt to color his character.

This doesn't tell me you're very objective about this.

{oe} As for your assumption that it would cost him the WH, one more time;

"McCain couldn't have touched the issue with a 50' pole, and any ads by PACs would get answered the same way. Hell, just having it in the media during the GE would open up both candidate's pasts... and I guarantee Edwards would come out on top. Meanwhile, it would be worth having the discussion about whether personal business belongs in political discourse."

[DeadElephant_ORG]

78. I stated the matter the way the public will VIEW it - that he slept around while his wife was dying.

Perceptions, as you know, being everything in politics.

I read the argument you quoted previously, but I don't share your optimism as to how easy it would have been for Edwards get past this problem. I do agree that McCain has a BIG vulnerability on this same score. In fact, the spillover of Edwards' scandal may do serious harm to McCain - sort of like a contact high.

Let me ask you this: If this was a parallel universe, and all the ins and outs of yesterday's news about Edwards were switched to be about Obama, would you be so sanguine today? You think that the Republican PACs (not McCain) wouldn't touch it? That Obama would easily survive it?

I don't. And if it turns out that Obama has such a liability that he didn't inform us of, and that he chose to run anyway, and that he defeated a highly viable primary competitor while he himself had a severe unrevealed viability problem, I will for one will be severely pissed.

I notice other on this board have wondered and worried about this as well... What skeletons is Obama hiding?

[The Doctor.]

87. I never said it would be 'easy'. That's another mischaracterization on your part.

No, it wouldn't be 'easy', but it wouldn't necessarily cost Obama the presidency either. It would be more appropriate to simpley use the 'if Edwards was running against McCain' hypothetical because Obama would have different problems with that particular issue given how racially biased so many can be.

What I'm saying is that it would be a difficult issue to use against Edwards because the backlash from McCain's philandering would be immediate and severe. Right now, the media can ignore McCain's affairs, but if a PAC went on the attack over the Democrat's affairs, the media couldn't ignore McCain.

If what you're saying is that every candidate for President should come clean before becoming a candidate, then no one would be without assailable vulnerabilities. That's kind of the point of not telling everyone every failing in one's personal life.

[Carolina]

101. perhaps it's none of our business but as any Democrat

running for POTUS post Clinton should know, the media will make "where his dick has been" the world's business.

So John Edwards fucking blew it, literally! He betrayed more than his wife, they were both complicit in a deceit that was bound to implode, and we'd all be FUCKED right now had he become the nominee. You're blind not to see that.

[screembloodymurder]

46. OK, he's a jerk! You're right. You're always right.

Now, STFU. We've got fish to fry.

[The Doctor.]

51. That should be an OP.

[Sewsojm]

52. Thanks John

I hope it was worth it, now Kiss My Ass!!

[stray cat]

57. You really think he is the only candidate who has had affairs - Clinton still won the presidency!

[spooky3]

58. It's really interesting to see all the "old" Edwards donors and backers coming out of the woodwork.

Some who have been around awhile may remember more of them than I seem to.

[LittleClarkie]

60. Hyperbole, anyone

I'd say that's going a bit far

[DeadElephant_ORG]

63. no hyperbole. Edwards understood that the stakes could not have been more serious.

The fate of the earth rides on this election.

[Fire Walk With Me]

64. Please focus upon the greater, more deadly destructive lies of BuchCo

as the destruction is increasing. Infidelity is irrelevant in this context.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

66. it's not about the infidelity. He's a liar who almost single-handedly took down our party.

We're not going to defeat BushCo that way.

[Fire Walk With Me]

70. And as with Clinton, one lie about sex compared to tens of thousands dead

oil monopolies, stolen elections, economy manipulation, obstruction, mockery, treason, destruction of the Constitution, illegal wiretapping, allowing New Orleans to be nearly destroyed, and them loving every minute of it because they ARE ten cent bullies...

...a lie over sex is ludicrous in comparison and context. If our party is so weak that this misproportion is at all important, then this party deserves what it gets. There are infinitely more important things to deal with right now, that will not go away with the mere election of a Democrat.

Edwards isn't even president, like Clinton was. This is ludicrous.

:shrug:

[DeadElephant_ORG]

73. I agree strongly about the relative immorality here.

There's no comparison.

But God damn it, John Edwards almost single handedly destroyed what may well be our one last shot at turning back all the Republican crimes you list.

[Fire Walk With Me]

80. That the Republicans can withstand the lies I've mentioned IS telling, isn't it?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

71. You wanted him to be president because you thought he was sexually pure?

I never supported Edwards, but my reasons weren't because of his sex life.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

76. STRAW-MAN ALERT. Sexual purity is not an issue for me. (...if you only knew)

Please read my argument more carefully. And don't assume we're too stupid to recognize a straw man when we see one.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

95. You sound like a spurned lover.

You gave him money because you supported his politics? And, now you feel used because he betrayed you?

You expected a politician having an affair to alert you?

Stupid?

[DeadElephant_ORG]

96. I expected him not to run if he couldn't win. There were other more viable candidates.

[Canuckistanian]

75. He has betrayed life - as we know it

Every microbe, every single-celled organism, every phylum, class, order, family, genus and species of life ABHORS him.

He is worse than a vacuum to nature.

Although, I must admit I like mine:

[DeadElephant_ORG]

77. lol !

[Danger Mouse]

79. I wouldn't go that far.

[Liberal_in_LA]

81. ha ha. "betrayed everyone on earth" is a little strong.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

85. sorry,... but the survival of the planet is at stake in this election

Eight more years of Bush-type policies could bring about total destruction. Environmental, social, and economic collapse, global nuclear war, fascism.

No kidding people - the longer we twiddle our thumbs, the more certain that future becomes.

[unfaithful_servant]

83. Its not important right now

and its certainly a private matter. There's nothing to be gained in rehashing this and causing everyone more pain and misery.

Let's just move on.

[Dover]

84. Well he sure took away many of Kucinich's 'populist' voters

though he was NEVER even close to being one. And then he handed those votes over to Obama.


I guess people figured him for a 'cuter' Kucinich.

[Condem]

86. Dead

I caucused for him in Iowa. You have expressed my feelings. Now, back to the Olympics!!!

[madmusic]

88. Talk about narcissism

It is narcissistic for a people, The People, to think their leaders can be perfect. It is narcissistic for a people, The People, to attempt to legislate perfection though laws. It is narcissistic for a people, The People, to put someone on a pedestal and then tear them down at the first sight of blood. If Edwards had been nominated, and if he had lost the election because of this, it would have been a tragedy by the people and for the people. It would have been because the narcissistic population was more concerned with their self-centered ideals than with the issues.

Yes, character and integrity matter, but that whole "moral majority" bullshit was a line concocted by the Right to condemn the Left and nothing more. Let's dump it and get real before the boom-a-rang hits us as hard as it is hitting them right now.

[madmusic]

89. Every person on earth?

That is narcissistic. As if every person on earth gives a fuck about John Edwards or even knows or cares who the hell he is.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

93. They don't have to know or care about Edwards to be screwed if we fail to unseat the neoFascists.

Every kid in every village in the Middle East will be affected. Every person living below the high water line of climate catastrophe will be affected. Every endangered species will be affected.\

Which do you think was more important to John Edwards: getting rid of the Republicans? Or gaining office for himself?

He very nearly fucked us. All of us. All citizens of earth.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

91. you completely missed the point. I don't expect perfection from anybody.

But if you've got major skeletons in your closet, DON'T RUN. Don't put the last best chance we have of unseating these neoFascists at risk.

[Generator]

92. Yeah he was a bucketful of absurd hubris and ass clown to the max but

his hubris was actually in the BELIEF he would do good. I still believe that. (as opposed to Bush/Cheney whose hubris is in the love of greed and the joy of hatred) Yes, he wanted the poontang. He also wanted to save the middle class. I know many will never believe that again because if he believed that he could have sacrificed the old joystick-but ah no-he thought he could have the candy and eat it too. That is the nature of man. Not so black and white-though T.V. tells me it is so easy.

He didn't believe it was doomed to failure, he believed he could walk on water and be president. I kinda like dreamers myself since after all-don't get shocked-life is SHIT And then YOU DIE. Even you.

[fascisthunter]

97. flame bait

[GeorgeGist]

102. A couple that got filthy rich ...

off of other people's ignorance, the Edwards couldn't resist.

[TornadoTN]

103. Completely 100% agree

I've always given Edwards the benefit of the doubt, despite a certain uneasiness with him.

Not anymore. He played us all as fools in his own pursuit of narcissism and self-interest. Just because he's a Democrat doesn't mean I will give him a free pass or somehow seek to excuse what he did. The affair is none of our business - but in this political environment and media - the lies and deception are unforgivable.

[Daemonaquila]

104. Talk about the circular firing squad...

You're mad. We get it. In part you're right - we're really lucky he's not the presumptive nominee right now.

But getting that mad because he "knew" he was going to implode? I'm not buying it. I doubt there's a single candidate out there from either party (ok, *maybe* Dennis Kucinich), who doesn't have a risky affair or three hiding out in the closet. They all know that the 11th commandment is "Don't get caught." John Edwards handed that poorly, but he's not some kind of villain for it.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

105. It's very simple: If you aren't viable, DON'T RUN. n/t

[philly_bob]

106. Don't care about sex lives of public figures.

Luv to Elizabeth.

[Th1onein]

107. Hello? Edwards was not the nominee. Never even came close!

What part of that don't you understand? So, this makes your point irrelevant.