Ya know, this Edwards thing reminds me why I don't go to church

[Taverner]

Besides not believing in God and all...

It's the self righteous folks here that think sex is bad

Sex, is evil according to these folks

one poster even thought the very existence (and prevalence) of 'Campaign Sex' is an indication that anyone in politics is a Machiavellian Cheney with the ethics and morals of a sandfly.

[msongs]

1. whatta ya know ppl who base their morals on fairy tales violate thos morals nt

[Taverner]

2. HAHAHAHAHAHA too true

Humans aren't characters in a Fairy Tale, no matter how much we try

Humans are animals, just like dogs, cats, chickens and fish.

[cobalt1999]

4. LOL

Good one.

[Dreamer Tatum]

3. Some people also think lying is bad

And some of them have never stepped foot in a church.

[Taverner]

5. Yes, but please tell me when a politician hasn't lied

These folks are POLITICIANS!!!!

Not moral ambassadors.

And to top it, they are human

Yeah, John cheated. bad bad. lots of people cheat. lots of people have sex. is it our business? no, only the church ladies out there think it is...

[Dreamer Tatum]

7. Keep telling yourself that

...but lots of people don't run for President by accepting millions of dollars in donations
from people who believe in the things he says. It isn't the sex, or the cheating. It's the lying.

[roody]

34. If you cheat on your spouse, the polite thing is

to KEEP IT A SECRET!

[RC]

43. What you are saying it is ok for people to go around

asking others if they have cheated and then condemn them if they are caught not telling them the truth if they have? Wonderful.
It is no ones business except the people involved. Not all lies are bad and that is the case here. It is none of your business. Pull your nose back out of where it does not belong. Even public personalities have private lives.

[Dreamer Tatum]

46. OK...let's put that grandiosity in a time capsule until a RWer does the same thing

Somehow I doubt the same slack will be cut.

[seabeyond]

6. your interpretation of what is being said is off. wrong. you are agruing

what isnt there.

i have not heard a single person suggest sex is bad

you threw out a totally bogus argument.

show me one post to suggest anyone said sex was bad.

do you argue with self often, cause that is what i hear in three post of yours in a row

[Taverner]

10. Wow...got a live one here

So when Hillary said she got fired on in Bosnia (which is lying) that made her EEEEEEVIL?

When Obama said he didn't know Rezko (which is lying) that made him EEEEVIL?

Politicians lie all the time. People lie all the time. The sooner you learn that the sooner you can graduate from Sunday School and into the real world. Then maybe you'll realize that we don't live in a perfect world, and people are far from perfect.

But that will never happen - keep believing in those stupid fairy tales. They sound cute when you spout from them.

[seabeyond]

14. again you are arguing what isnt in my post

wtf is your problem. you really dont even know what i think yet but not only do you make up an arguemnt you tell me what i am thinking and where i am wrong. dont even need another party in your posts

[jonnyblitz]

25. you are the "live one". you have lost it.

you make no fucking sense.

[Taverner]

44. Go back to sunday school - I hear they're missing the class idiot

fucker

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. The idea that it's "bad" just makes it more delicious.

Kinda' like chocolate cream pie and calling The President of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA an inbred imbecile.

[Vickers]

9. "It's the self righteous folks here that think sex is bad "

I think that is probably the most ridiculous thing I've seen posted here (and I've seen some DOOZIES).

Congratulations, I guess?

:shrug:

[Taverner]

12. Come the fuck on - if this was lying about anything other than sex, it would be ignored

If he lied about his tax returns, there wouldn't be a peep here

But because its about SEX, all of you crazy moralmonkeys get your goddamn panties in a wad.

[Vickers]

50. You calling ME a crazy moralmonkey???!?!??!

Boy, I will rip your fucking head off and fuck your trachea until Bibles shoot out of your ass!

:rofl:

Moral.

HAH!

Fuck you, douchecock!

[seabeyond]

15. this person has posted nothing but

stupid

[Taverner]

21. You just don't agree with me. You think a sexual lie is worse than any other lie

Just like a church lady

[seabeyond]

22. again argument not made by me, telling me what i think without you knowing

and concluding who i am without a clue. and you think this is a productive and smart way to go?

[Vickers]

51. It's not the disagreement, "dude" .

It's your total disregard for common sense.

If you think the average DUer is somehow "prim" or whatever, you are certifiably douchecocked in the skull (and I mean that in a nice way!).

:eyes:

[anonymous171]

11. Cheating on your wife is good?

Sex isn't the issue.

[Taverner]

13. Cheating on ones wife happens

Good, bad, that's for you moral monkeys to toy around with.

Stop looking for superheroes

They don't exist.

[anonymous171]

17. wow. I don't really know what to say.

[renie408]

20. You are right. We shouldn't expect our politicians to THINK before they fuck.

Or to be honest. Or to uphold their vows. Or to exercise good judgment.

What the fuck DO we expect of them??

[Midlodemocrat]

31. Yes they do. I'm married to one.

[mnhtnbb]

37. If you ever get married, be sure and put that in your vows, won't you?

[renie408]

16. WHY is this ONLY about sex?

Why can't this be about poor judgment on Edwards part? Or about selfishness or honesty?

This post reminds me of why this place is a total pain in the ass sometimes. Of all the posts about this (the MILLIONS of posts about this), how many of the negative ones are talking about the SEX? I haven't read one. I have read a lot of people who feel like this affair was ill-judged given Edwards position, that felt like it was selfish on his part given Elizabeth's illness (it's not like she doesn't have enough on her plate) and that he was dishonest to his wife and supporters.

Distilling this down to sex is stupid. No matter who is doing it. You or the people you are dissing.

[Taverner]

18. Let's just say he lied on his tax return - would anyone be upset?

I mean, besides the IRS?

[seabeyond]

19. lets just say if he won the primary and this came out we lose the white house

not a single thing in there about sex, morality or "church monkeys". all about him doing something stupid at the expense of the election

[Taverner]

24. Now THAT I worry about

But we dodged that bullet. Story over.

Of course, I think we could catch EVERY politician in a sex scandal if we tried.

20 years from now, you will hear about Cheney Love-children, Bush affairs and Rove's orgies at the WH.

Kitty Kelly reminded us Reagan was a Lothario.

[Mojorabbit]

23. or lied about torture

or lied about rendition. There is something to be said for honesty. Look at the president we have now. He has betrayed everything this country stands for. Character does mean something.. Having a moral compass means something. Everyone makes mistakes but I won't give him a free pass over the lying. Not that he gives a shit what I think.

[Taverner]

26. So you are equating campaign sex with lying about WMDs?

That's a stretch

[renie408]

29. He was comparing lying to lying. He was not pretending that lying and cheating about one thing

is a non-issue, while lying and cheating about another is heinous. Yes, we all get that lying about WMD's is several notches up on the scale of BAD. But that does not mean that lying about fucking a highly paid campaign worker while your wife is dying of cancer and you are running for President should be shrugged off.

[Mojorabbit]

32. exactly n/t

[Taverner]

33. We don't know all of the details, and we never will

Until you walk a mile in either of their shoes I suggest you keep your judgement to yourself

[renie408]

39. What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

'Walk a mile in either of their shoes'...huh?

Dude, you need to put the bong down, go outside, take a few deep breaths and come back. That made even less sense than the other drivel you have been spouting.

[renie408]

28. YES. Yes, people would or at least SHOULD care. Which cheating is OK?n/t

[sudopod]

35. Uh, yeah

because I'm sure as hell paying my fair share out of my hard-fought 18k a year, lol.

[NeedleCast]

27. Strawman

Its not so much the moral issue of cheating on his spouse. It's the outright lie he told about it. At least for me.

[Midlodemocrat]

30. Taverner. It's not the sex. It's the betrayal.

People on this site really like Elizabeth Edwards. Hell, I've got a quote from her in my sig line and I really have admired her for a long time.

I feel sad for her because of the betrayal aspect, not the sex aspect.

And, again, I wish that it could have been kept private for them.

[sudopod]

36. This nt

[TahitiNut]

38. People go to churches for a similar reason they go to hospitals.

They need to. :evilgrin:

[jonnyblitz]

40. Let me try to DUMB this down for you, Taverner.

I personally don't give a fuck who is fucking who or who is cheating on who JUST don't run for president as a Democrat thinking you can lie and be deceptive about it, thinking you won't get caught THUS throwing the election to the republicans if you win the nomination. THAT is why people are pissed. all this talk about being prudes and judge mental about sex, etc., is a fucking STRAW MAN and a pretty obvious and DUMB one at that. we don't need some ASSHOLE like Edwards putting himself in a position to ruin EVERYTHING unless you consider loyalty to a corrupt politician a higher priority then the DEMS taking back the whitehouse.


i seriously doubt anybody would give a fuck about this if he hadn't run for president thinking he could keep this a secret.

[seabeyond]

41. i wouldnt give a shit. i dont want to be friends with these people. n/t

[Taverner]

47. JEEZUS FUCKING SHIT!

dick

[Arugula Latte]

42. Taverner, I get what you're saying, but there's more to it than "oooh, sex is bad."

I posted this on another thread you have in the Lounge:

For a lot of us, it's not the affair, it's not the affair itself, it's that he jeopardized the party. If he'd been the nominee, and this blew up in his face ... hellllooo, president McCain. Even if we don't care about a personal, private matter, millions of Americans do, and we all know the media just loves to talk about this stuff. I know it shouldn't be that way, but that's the way it is. Edwards knew that, and yet he asked us to nominate him anyway. That is unforgivable, IMO. Also, it wasn't like this was an "ancient history" affair or a youthful indiscretion. It was relatively recent, and maybe even still going on when he started running.

(BTW, I don't go to church either, but that's because I can't stand religion, and churches creep me the hell out.)

[DeadElephant_ORG]

45. Sexual morality is only a sideshow in this - but there IS a main event...

Given that Edwards knew that his dick had been someplace that voters wouldn't accept, he showed extraordinarily poor judgment in choosing to run at all.

It was immoral for him to ask us climb on-board his ocean liner while he knew that he was headed straight at an iceberg.

The man lacks a moral compass.

[Sanctified]

48. Not sure what was taught at your church but where I go we are taught that we all fall short and

only one man in our entire history was perfect.

[NoodleyAppendage]

49. Sex isn't bad. Betraying a 20 year relationship, especially when kids are involved is BAD.

Quit giving atheists around here a bad name. Reason. Remember? That's what we are supposed to cotton to...reason.

J