Narcissist Edwards... You're all surprised?

[republicansarewhores]

I knew this when the story broke weeks ago in the Enquirer... and when he was more interested in pursuing the presidency then spending time with his dying wife, it told me everything I needed to know about his character that I didn't even have a second thought as to whether this was true or not... I KNEW IT. Even when my conservative mother was saying "it's the National Enquirer... they make everything up". Not.

He'll have people fuck around with the paternity test so it makes his "confession" to his wife okay since he's not gonna show up as the father. That's what these people do... he has no accountability and is more worried about trying to save face than admit the truth. He's focused more on damage control to his image than admitting more of the truth, as most NARCISSISTS do. If you don't know much about malignant narcissism, Google it, you'll understand a lot more about our political leaders than you will be comfortable facing.

This will eat up the news cycle long enough for the media whores though to associate it with his endorsement of Obama while ignoring the petition of 100,000 signatures delivered to the other political whore Nancy Pelosi by Dennis Kucinich demanding impeachment hearings... IF war crime tribunals are ever held, she should be indicted as an enabling co-conspirator to Bush's war crimes as well.

Kucinich: WE DID IT!

I don't worship sacred cows based on their party affiliation... I've never trusted Hillary Clinton and despite the good Bill did as president, he's a disappointment too these days with his childish sour grapes over Obama's presumptive nomination and both his and Hillary's sense of entitlement.

We ALL need to separate from the "Go Team" tribal mentality and call shitty people and behavior when we see it and admit these people are dangerous self-serving phonies unless they prove otherwise.

I'm hoping my gut instincts about Obama being a good man are true so that it doesn't cost us the presidency with Insane McCain.

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[Name removed]

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[stray cat]

2. I'll condemn a behavior only when I have solid evidence - much like I would hope I would be judged.

[RollWithIt]

3. I'd be interested in finding out the whole story before crucifying Edwards.....

There is a long family history with Edwards, this entire thing is horrible for them. The only reason he got into politics was because his dead son had shown remarkable interest in it. Edwards was never a perfect guy, but far from the evil man you portray.

[liberalhistorian]

5. I'm sorry, but any man who fucks around

on his wife while she's sick with cancer is an evil SOB. I no longer believe him about not fathering the child, either. He's just as adamant about that as he was adamant about not screwing around.

[RollWithIt]

7. The affair happened in 2006 right? Elizabeth was diagnosed with terminal cancer in 2007.

Somebody has to point that out.

[republicansarewhores]

9. Amazing.

That makes it okay?

Talk about your "battered wife" syndrome.

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[RollWithIt]

13. That doesn't make it ok, it's terrible, but you don't care... you're just bashing....

Whatever...

[liberalhistorian]

16. He SHOULD be bashed!

Just because the MSM shouldn't be making it the huge deal that they are and just because they never seem to focus on the plentiful repubs who've also done the same thing does NOT make it right for him to do it! And when his wife is sick, too. And don't start that about her being sick AFTER the affair. She was first diagnosed before the affair; the diagnosis in 2007 was a recurrence.

[republicansarewhores]

49. "Whatever"...

Yeah, I'm "bashing" your lame point.

Grow up and see things for what they are, not for what you want to see them to be.

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[Marie26]

11. Which is why he's still denying paternity

He still wants that one fig leaf of decency - that he wasn't having an affair during the Presidential campaign, after his wife was diagnosed w/terminal cancer. He's STILL lying. Which almost annoys me more than the affair itself. Does he think people are stupid?

[kestrel91316]

21. NPR just reported that he is willing to have a paternity test done.

He met the woman IN A BAR. She has subsequently been involved with another man. She obviously gets around.

What PROOF do you have that it's HIS child?

[Marie26]

25. Proof

Well, let's see, he was meeting with her & the child in a hotel room at 2:00 am? Why would he meet her after the affair (supposedly) ended? Why was the baby there - that's not just a tryst, she brought the baby for him to see. Why would she do that if it was someone else's? Why would he want to see the baby? I got attacked for believing the story about his affair when it first came out, but now Edwards has come out & admitted what he so fervently denied a week ago. Why would you believe him now? As for the paternity test, I'll believe it when I see it. He might be "willing", but unless the mother files a paternity action, he doesn't have to do one. And she won't, because she's been helping him to cover it up.

[kestrel91316]

37. Everything in your post is gossip as far as I'm concerned.

Several years ago it was "a known fact" that I was psychotic and violent toward children - according to a person in my community who wound up being declared a vexatious litigant in federal court after her lawsuit against me and forty others was thrown out as the fabrication of a habitual criminal and malingerer.

It also was "a known fact" that I had a cat with ringworm in my clinic as a mascot who I knew was a hazard to the public and didn't care that he ran around infecting everyone. Except, every single word of that one was an utter fabrication, too.

Gossip and innuendo and rumor and lies are not facts. I am skeptical, having been the victim TWICE of that sort of crap.

[Marie26]

38. Gossip admitted by Edwards

Alrighty then. He's admitted meeting her at the hotel, but sometimes cognitive dissonance should just be let alone.

[liberalhistorian]

29. OMG. Do you even see just how repub you sound?

Please tell me you're not pulling the old "promiscuous bitch, precious man", "she gets around" routine, now? What BULLSHIT. HE fucked around on his seriously ill wife and then lied about it. But, of course, he's not lying now about the child? No, of course not, because it's all the evil woman's doing. HE'S the poor, innocent saint and the trollop got what she deserved. Fuck that. I wouldn't expect to find that attitude here, of all places.

[kestrel91316]

35. Sorry. All I'm pointing out is the BIOLOGICAL FACT that

someone else is just as likely, or probably MORE likely, to be the father. When did I call him a saint? And when did I call her a trollop and say she got what he deserved??

There's somebody in this picture acting like a Republican and IT SURE AS HELL AIN'T ME. Your flaming frothing-at-the-mouth hatred for a former DEMOCRATIC presidential candidate is duly noted.

Edwards was my first choice for president, but he's a human being. I'm disappointed in him and sad for his family.

[liberalhistorian]

43. So just because he's a democrat means

he should get free pass from me? Sorry, don't think so. Seems to me that repubs are the ones who demand that kind of lock-step obedience and conformity.

He's a lying, cheating, opportunistic, narcissistic, hypocrital phony. That has nothing to do with which party he's a member of. It has everything to do with the kind of man he is.

[republicansarewhores]

50. Right on Liberal Historian...

And well said.

Why are people wearing the same blinders and practicing the same "my guy and party are sacred cows" mentality?

I will never get it and it's what I like to think allows me to proudly separate myself from neocon mindset, but I see the same kind of blind defending on on both sides.

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[Medusa]

28. In a word? Yes

I think he does. Or he hopes anyway. I think he's in some degree of denial about this all, but most cheaters are able to very neatly compartmalize and justify. He seems to be better than most.

[liberalhistorian]

14. Hellooooooooooooooo! She was diagnosed with cancer

BEFORE the affair in 2006! She was diagnosed with a recurrence in 2007. Not that that still makes it any more okay.

[undeterred]

30. It was announced that she had breast cancer

the day after the 2004 election by John Kerry. John Edwards is a skunk, unfortunately.

[LisaL]

41. She was diagnosed with cancer in 2004.

It was in remission in 2006. Anyhow, what freaking difference does it really make? It's fine and dandy to have an affair if you wife is not seriously ill? Since when?

[avaistheone1]

42. Hmm. Interesting that most of this country's greatest presidents and leaders had affairs

I am talking FDR, Thomas Jefferson, John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King.

Interesting, isn't it?

[liberalhistorian]

4. I totally agree. While I agreed with

Edwards politically, for the most part and with some exceptions, I never liked him and wasn't thrilled when Kerry chose him as his VP nominee; I honestly think Edwards may have cost Kerry the election. There was just something about him I didn't like and didn't trust. Now I know why. He's a lying, cheating, hypocritical, opportunistic slimebag SOB. Blasting Clinton in '99 and being against gay marriage because it was against "morality", and yet screwing another woman while his wife was ill with cancer and lying about it. I don't believe for a second the child isn't his, either.

That's not to say that I think this is all that important in the scheme of things, since he isn't a candidate for anything anymore and I never did think he was under serious consideration for the VP this time. It shouldn't be all over everything 24/7 to the exclusion of more important news, especially when the MSM ignores rampant repub infidelity as well. And it especially pisses me off that McCain's dumping his first wife, the one who'd stood by him while he was a guest in the Hanoi Hilton for seven years, because she had the gall to be seriously injured in a car accident and, thus, lose her "willowy" figure, and marrying that nutball Cindy barely a month after his divorce was final, is not even anywhere on the MSM radar when HE is an actual candidate. But that doesn't mean that I'm not thoroughly pissed and disgusted with Edwards and hope he disappears completely into the oblivion he so richly deserves.

[SammyWinstonJack]

6. Who gives a fuck? Save for the corprat whores and the gop? Like they are any better?

935 lies to facilitate an illegal war on a sovereign nation that never posed a threat to us! 100's of 1000's lives lost, billions of $$$ wasted and I am supposed to care that an ex-presidential candidate had an affair? :rofl: Edwards did and does care about us and the less fortunate among us! He has spent a lifetime caring about us!

[liberalhistorian]

18. The hell he does and did. He is nothing more than

a shallow phony, an opportunistic, hypocritical liar. He bashed Clinton in '99 over the Monica mess and he was against gay marriage because it was against his sense of "morality." And yet he fucks around on his wife WHILE SHE'S SICK WITH CANCER? What the fuck EVER.

WTF has he done for the less fortunate among us, really? What has he done and what is he doing with all those millions he has? If he REALLY cared, he'd actually do somethin besides buy huge mansions and live in luxury. Give me a fucking break. I never liked him, I never trusted him, but was always shouted down viciously here whenever I tried to express one single word of reservation about him.

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. You forgot to add: in your opinion!

Edwards was addressing the issues of health care for us all and he promised that if he was elected that he would make congress address this or he would suspend their federally funded health care. He was for us.

You have a problem with that, how?


Oh and What the fuck EVER.

Remember, no one is perfect. :shrug: Oh and I won't give you a fucking break.

[liberalhistorian]

27. WTF did he EVER do about health care when

he was in the senate and had chances to do so? NOTHING. As usual. All talk and no real action. He could even well afford to give up his generous, luxurious federal health care plan, paid for by the tax dollars of the very people who often couldn't get or afford health care, and never even thought of it. Sherrod Brown of Ohio, a man of far lesser means, did just that, saying he wouldn't accept the health care plan until ALL Americans had access to such a plan, as both a congressman and now a senator.

All talk and no action. All phony and no substance. Is it any wonder he didn't help Kerry any and that he didn't get anywhere in the primaries? No one may be perfect, but a man who castigates Clinton in '99 over Monica and is against gay marriage because it's against his "morality", and who then fucks around on his wife WHILE SHE IS ILL WITH CANCER and then lies through his teeth about it is a hypocritical, opportunistic, lying slimeball. And I don't give a shit if you give me a fucking break or not.

[SammyWinstonJack]

33. Well what did Obama do? For that matter, what have any of our Dem Leaders done for us?

They are all talk and no action, are they not? Get a grip! And why do any of us care what Edwards did? He was never going to be our nominee! The PTB and the corprat media wanted and got an historic election so that the gop could steal '08. Deal with that!

[republicansarewhores]

51. Who gives a fuck?

Well it should equip you with the tools necessary to figure out who you can trust when you vote.

And you should probably TRY to vote for someone who has not completely exposed themselves as liars.

Yeah I know I'm gonna get the "they all lie"... but I'll tell you there are varying degrees of acceptable dishonesty in politics and this ranks at the top of UNACCEPTABLE dishonesty, because if he's gonna lie to his wife and supporters about something like this and play that he's someone special and moral when he's not, why would you ever trust this man to serve anyone else's interests but his own?

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[cali]

8. I always thought Edwards was a phony

in every way. I said so here. It was not well received.

[DarthDem]

10. Sadly . . .

. . . I always felt the same way. And I agree with the comments upthread that he may well have cost Kerry the election.

[XemaSab]

12. Word

n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

17. So now you feel vindicated by the corprat media? Well good for you!

:eyes:

[cali]

20. no, I don't feel vindicated, and sorry, dear, this has zilch to do with the MSM

I always thought he was a phony, a pro-war, centrist asshole only interested in himself. And whether or not the Hunter story was true, I felt that way.

Enjoy your bitterness. Now go cheer for JE and tell us what a great progressive the guy is.

[liberalhistorian]

19. I know. I finally gave up trying to say anything against

him at all, for fear of being banned; that's how bad it got. I've never liked or trusted him.

[Kahuna]

32. I always thought he was a phony too. But I really believed he loved

and was committed to Elizabeth.

[enid602]

15. no big deal

Well, let´s see; Bill Clinton was an adulterer, as was FDR, Ike, JFK, Nixon, LBJ, MLK, Jr among others. Not such a big story.

[Catherine Vincent]

22. lol. a deleted subthread for the first posts!

[LittleClarkie]

24. His dying wife wanted him to campaign

and in fact helped him campaign. I don't see where that aspect has anything to do with the present situation.

For me, it was the way Edwards threw Kerry under the bus. I nearly supported him, but couldn't get past how he'd treated his former running mate when I'd originally thought they'd gotten on quite well.

[MonteLukast]

44. The way he acted re: Kerry...

... also fits in with the "narcissistic" and "egocentric" way he acted at that time.

I think at one point they did get on well. But on his own, he changed. Whatever the reason for it, at that time he was probably acting selfish to most of those around him. If he hadn't blown off Kerry, Kerry probably would've told him to "bugger off, you're not acting like the man I was friends with".

[JeanGrey]

26. I agree with you. I knew it was true too.

[Marr]

31. I'm sorry, but I just fail to see why this is news at all.

This is an extra-marital affair. That's not exactly rare among politicians-- and Edwards is... what? Just a Senator. He's not the nominee for president. How many senators are having affairs?

If a Republican were exposed as having an affair, I'd have the same disinterested reaction, unless they'd portrayed themselves as some kind of family values moral crusader, of course. This just isn't news.

[TornadoTN]

34. I agree - but the problem is that our society by in large doesnt

Society loves these scandals - just look at the wall to wall coverage while a major and potentially world-shattering conflict is building in Georgia. Sex sales, unfortunately, and the GOP makes most of their political capital by exploiting these private issues (especially if they lied about it). Affairs and such should never cross the mind of us when weighing our politicians - however, it did enter the political arena and he chose to lie boldface instead of dismissing it as a private matter or putting it into the open and cutting off the GOP's attack route on the issue. Look to Lt. Gov. David Patterson of New York for a prime example of how to handle these issues before they become a major problem for a politician and how to take marginalize the whole issue before the GOP can make hay with it. This is what Edwards should have done, but he chose to lie to all of us about it.

Edwards knew before he ran this year about his affair, yet he lied about it all during the campaign with a straight face. I have a major problem with that because it shows a lack of foresight on his part and lack of integrity once he started to spin the lies. I am glad he was not our nominee, although I voted for him in the primary in 2004 and was excited to have him as a VP candidate in 2004.

[MonteLukast]

45. The bigger the lie, the harder you work to cover it up. (nm)

[undeterred]

36. I've always thought he was overrated.

He looks like the perfect candidate... handsome, smart, nice family, good values. But he changed positions on things, and I found myself asking "which John Edwards?" I didn't trust him completely. And he didn't come out with the truth because of an attack of conscience... HE GOT CAUGHT. And that's what he's really sorry about.

[lkb817]

39. Affair

My question is this:

If the affair ended on 2006, why was John Edwards sneaking around to see his mistress in July of 2008?

Clearly this was an ongoing affair

[MonteLukast]

47. Not necessarily.

My guess is, he was working out the legal kinks and trying, once again, to make her go away.

[LisaL]

40. I am not surprised. I never liked him.

I always believed there is something phony about him.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

46. As a wise man once sang.....

I make my living off the evening news
Just give me something-something I can use
People love it when you lose,
They love dirty laundry

Well, I coulda been an actor, but I wound up here
I just have to look good, I dont have to be clear
Come and whisper in my ear
Give us dirty laundry

Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em all around

We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blonde who
Comes on at five
She can tell you bout the plane crash with a gleam
In her eye
Its interesting when people die-
Give us dirty laundry

Can we film the operation?
Is the head dead yet?
You know, the boys in the newsroom got a
Running bet
Get the widow on the set!
We need dirty laundry

You dont really need to find out whats going on
You dont really want to know just how far its gone
Just leave well enough alone
Eat your dirty laundry

Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down

Kick em when theyre up
Kick em when theyre down
Kick em when theyre stiff
Kick em all around

Dirty little secrets
Dirty little lies
We got our dirty little fingers in everybodys pie
We love to cut you down to size
We love dirty laundry

We can do the innuendo
We can dance and sing
When its said and done we havent told you a thing
We all know that crap is king
Give us dirty laundry!

[Joe Holmes]

48. I sees it this way-

J Eddie was just gettin' his freak on.

Word.