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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:44 PM
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So Elizabeth Edwards knew, too? Wow.
How bright were these two people thinking that he could lie (and she could stand by him during the lie) while he's running for President?

Good grief.

I voted for him in the primary so I'm already jaded because of his lie about staying in the race after SC, but this guy his a real piece of...work. I'll just say that. And it looks like Elizabeth shared some of that arrogance, thinking they'd just skate by with his lies to supporters, campaign volunteers, donors, etc.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:47 PM
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1. Maybe she did advise him not to run.
And he thought otherwise. We don't know what happened.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:48 PM
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2. Doesn't change the fact that she enabled him to lie to his supporters.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:52 PM
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6. He confessed, she took him back, and it was a private matter
Sure, what John did was wrong, but he didn't pull a stunt like asking Elizabeth for a divorce while she was recovering from chemo - unlike certain other politicians I will not name here.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:55 PM
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8. All the money, hours and energy invested in his campaign....
for what?

Had he won, having already lied about this, we would be gearing up for a convention that he couldn't even show up for! How f'n stupid.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:02 PM
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14. I hear you...
Edwards was not my first choice. I was a Bill Richardson man, myself.

At the same time, though, that little voice in my head tells me that John shouldn't be demonized. Smacked around a bit, perhaps, but at least he didn't ditch his wife and hook up with some sweet young thing with half a brain cell between her ears.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:03 PM
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17. I am not judging Edwards by the standards set by Gingrich or McCain.
I have always thought more of him than that.

There's no reason to lower expectations to the Gingrich level.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:02 PM
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13. Exactly, I of course am disappointed that he thought this would not come out as
Edited on Fri Aug-08-08 05:19 PM by EV_Ares
this is a private affair and something that is for John Edwards and Elizabeth Edwards to handle between themselves but he is or was a public figure and knew about this before he ran. I don't understand how someone in public life and knowing that the opposition is going to be looking around and trying to dig up anything on you thought this would not come out.

Then again, it gets to me how in our country we get more concerned about wardrobe malfunctions and an affair like this that we will have to listen about for a month or more than a President who lied to us so he could have his war and thousands die. I give up.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:50 PM
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3. Maybe they were just thinking
something ridiculous, like "This is a private matter," which it is.

Only in America do the bluenoses get to rant and rave about something which is no one's business except the parties involved.

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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:52 PM
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5. Apparently they were thinking that he could lie about it and the lie wouldn't come out.
Obviously they had worked it out personally. But they chose to have him lie to us: his donors, supporters, and volunteers. All that work, with all that risk unknown to the people who labored in his campaign. That's either arrogance or stupidity.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 06:54 PM
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23. So they supported him
believing he'd never lie to them?

HAHAHAHAHAHHA!

Welcome to the world of politics.

If I choose to support a candidate, I don't care about his personal life. Just as I don't want the government caring about mine.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:21 PM
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20. I think that is why the republicans hate the French so much because the people there
Edited on Fri Aug-08-08 05:21 PM by EV_Ares
look for leadership and don't care if their leaders have mistresses or affairs.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 06:53 PM
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22. The French scare them
The French make sense, understand the concepts of "privacy" and "forgiveness," and live better than we do. These bluenoses (yes, I said it again) have nothing better to do than fret that somewhere someone might be having sex in a way in which they (the bluenoses) might not personally approve.

John Edwards's personal life is his own business. We're such a bunch of sexual retards in this country.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:51 PM
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4. Jeeze, what would you do? The message was good and still is good.
It sucks that he did this, but he's human.. people do what they do.. Does it mean the people in poverty don't need the message lifted up? Does it not mean that Healthcare needs overhauling.. Does it mean the populace message is nothing? That's what is important... Not Edwards and his Penis.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:53 PM
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7. If you like being lied to, that's your right.
I probably would have admired Edwards FAR more than I already did had he come clean early and said, "Regardless of that, the message is bigger than me. I've come clean, and now I'll run a campaign for the people of this country."

I think people would have rallied around him.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:00 PM
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12. no one likes being lied to- that still doesn't change the value in
their message.

You don't have to like what was done, or the way it was done to still find merit in the platform that was the center of the Edwards campaign.


:hi:
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:02 PM
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15. Yep. It's too bad they were leaders of that message for a while.
At least they will leave the stage now that we know their character.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:57 PM
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9. well, to believe that, you'd have to believe that there is more to
John than his lust, and more to Elizabeth than her.....?..... desire to be a voice for the voiceless?

Which I do, even though I didn't vote for him in the Primary, I was glad to have his message being carried to America, and was sad when he dropped out.

People are more than thier biggest mistakes or their biggest successes. There is good and bad in everyone, even in the best and worst of us.

Thanks for bringing a voice of reason to this mess.

:hi:

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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:58 PM
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10. Its their life, not yours just because you feel betrayed
Its between them as a couple.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:00 PM
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11. Edwards did betray his supporters, donors, and volunteers.
The timeline of the affair, the denials, and the campaign show that it was a calculated lie by Edwards with the approval of Elizabeth.

You may have low standards for your politicians, that is your right.
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CrazyDude Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:03 PM
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16. Elizabeth Edwards has no obligation to you n/t
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:04 PM
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19. Nor does she have loyalty to the people who were loyal to them.
Edited on Fri Aug-08-08 05:05 PM by hiaasenrocks
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:51 PM
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21. So know we are going to jump all over Elizabeth too?
Really sick.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 07:50 PM
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25. We have their version. He lied, she stood by and let him do it.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:04 PM
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18. Maybe the NSA did not pick that up through the phone conversations they recorded, and gave to Rove
and FUX Noise.




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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 06:55 PM
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24. i think she wanted him to win the Presidency more than he did
i always thought that even before this whole affair thing.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 07:54 PM
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26. Oh geeze who really cares? No way were the PTB going to let Edwards get the dem nom. And why is
this being broadcast by the corprat media anyway, btw? Guess the PTB are afraid that Edwards might be in the running for US AG and prosecute the bu$h Maladministration? Oops!
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