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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:05 PM
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Will we ever know the whole truth about the 9/11-Anthrax-Afghanistan-Iraq War nexus?
I was never one of the so-called "Conspiracy Theorists", but at this point, it's really difficult to believe anything that we've been told about any of this, and clearly all of these dramatic events are intimately linked. And I'm sorry, but the story about the anthrax scientist would be rejected by the SciFi Network as being "too unrealistic."

If that qualifies me as a tinfoilhat guy, pass the Reynolds Wrap. :tinfoilhat:




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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:06 PM
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1. Yes. Truth has a way of coming out.
That's one of the main lessons of history.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:22 PM
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6. Truth is malleable has always been my takeaway.
And time factors exponentially in regards to malleability.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:07 PM
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2. watch the vid in my sig line
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:41 AM
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13. Good suggestion. Everyone should see it.
From the blurb on Google Video:

9/11: Press for Truth - 84 min - Sep 28, 2006

Released September 8th; a video from the families who fought to create The 9/11 Comission -- and succeeded Headline: LA Weekly reported Mahmmud Ahmed (Top ISI Official) ordered the transfer of funds from Pakistani banks to Florida, where it was picked up and distributed by Mohammed Atta to the 9/11 hijackers via money orders throughout the United States to sponsor the attacks. This documentary presents the many-faceted events that led up to, and then scrutinizes, the 9/11 Comission hearings. Massive injustices and mis-representations are brought to light and "exposed" by respected members of the mainstream American media, and from the families themselves in the narrative of events that shaped most greatly our world today; "9/11: Press for Truth" The families present their 2 1/2 year struggle to create an investigation and inquiry into the events of 9/11 -- which was at first heavily resisted and even explicity prohibited by the President and Vice-President. For an example of contrast in funding; the internal disruption of a Clinton-Lewisnki "sex scandal" the event was awarded a budget of 100 million dollars in total. Initially the 9/11 Comission was only alotted 3 million dollars and their time-limit was severly cut beyond the expecations of those who brought it into existence.«

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481



By the way the Jersey Girls say 70% of the questions they had for the 9/11 Commission were either not addressed at all or not adequately answered.

See the PDF document "Family Steering Committee Questions to the 9/11 Commission with ratings of its performance."
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:45 AM
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14. Compelling stuff.....
Who knew that a sig line could be so substantive, helderheid?! :)


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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 11:30 AM
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17. :)
:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:08 PM
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3. Yes, we will. It may be late, but I believe we will. n/t
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:10 PM
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4. NO NEVER.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:18 PM
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5. No. Nor 9/11. Nor Plame. Nor the energy meetings ........
et cetera. Not because the truth couldn't be found. The media is just in the business of helping the cover-up and/or denial these days.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:42 PM
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7. I never paid much attention to the 9/11 conspiracy stuff though
a few things I've read recently about goings on early in 2001 have given me pause.

This whole anthrax thing has hit a nerve with me, I guess because I have a science background, and because if science and the law cannot operate with truth, everything else falls apart from that. I'm seeing connections I didn't before.

Damn, the cost of Al has gone up lately too.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:49 PM
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8. We already know the truth
Or at least enough of it to understand the seriousness of what's going on. I doubt it will ever be televised so that the majority of Americans will know of it. But we know. And as the years pass, others who look for the truth will learn of it too.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:51 PM
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9. I think we know now, that so called conspiracy theories
have been much more truthful than this cabal
but people don't want to admit it
because it would entail the destruction of their preconcieved perceptions
of their realities.







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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:12 AM
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12. And most Americans are completely oblivious
to the fact that their own government agencies and military (and their allies) are known to have been involved in staging and planning false flag attacks and war provocations on several occasions in the not too distant past.

Examples:

Operation Gladio/Strategy of Tension


Strategy of Tension

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The “strategy of tension” denotes a highly secretive series of interconnected covert operations conducted jointly by the CIA and MI6 largely in Western Europe during the this period. Well-documented by several respected historians, confirmed by official inquiries, and corroborated by former intelligence officials, the “strategy of tension” is one of those unsavoury moments in contemporary history that we don’t learn about in school, or even university.

My favourite book on the subject, and the most authoritative in my view, is Dr. Daniele Ganser’s NATO’s Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe (2004). Published in the UK as part of the “Contemporary Security Studies” series of London-based academic press Routledge, Ganser’s study is the first major historical work to bring the “strategy of tension” into the mainstream of scholarship.

During the Cold War, indeed through to the late 1980s, the United States, United Kingdom, and Western European governments and secret services, participated in a sophisticated NATO-backed operation to engineer terrorist attacks inside Western Europe, to be blamed on the Soviet Union. The objective was to galvanize public opinion against leftwing policies and parties, and ultimately to mobilize popular support for purportedly anti-Soviet policies at home and abroad – most of which were really designed to legitimize brutal military interventions against nationalist independence movements in the “Third World”.

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The existence of this secret operation exploded into public controversy when in August 1990 upon the admissions in parliament by Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti, the existence of ‘Gladio’ was exposed as a secret sub-section of Italian military-intelligence services, responsible for domestic bombings blamed on Italian Communists. Ganser documents in intricate detail how a subversive network created by elements of western intelligence services – particularly that of the US and UK - orchestrated devastating waves of terrorist attacks blamed on the Soviet Union, not only in Italy, but also in Spain, Germany, France, Turkey, Greece, i.e. throughout western Europe. Despite a number of European parliamentary inquiries; an European Union resolution on the Gladio phenomenon; NATO’s close-doors admissions to European ambassadors; confirmations of the international operation from senior CIA officials; and other damning documentary evidence; NATO, the CIA and MI6 have together consistently declined to release their secret files on the matter.

http://nafeez.blogspot.com/2007/05/strategy-of-tension.html


Operation Northwoods. (Pentagon's Joint Chiefs of Staff planned false flag terror attacks to justify an invasion of Cuba)


U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba
Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba
By David Ruppe
N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001


In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.

The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662


Operation Ajax (Overthrow of democratically elected Prime Minister Mussadiq Iran and installation of the Shah as dictator)


A 'great venture': overthrowing the government of Iran
by Mark Curtis

This is a slightly abridged version of part of chapter four of Mark Curtis's book The Ambiguities of Power: British Foreign Policy since 1945 (Zed Press, 1995).

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The coup decision is taken

The go-ahead for the coup was finally given by the US in late June - Britain by then already having presented a 'complete plan' to the CIA (54) - and Churchill's authorisation soon followed, the date being set for mid-August. (55) That month, the head of the CIA operation met with the Shah, the CIA director visited some members of the Shah's family in Switzerland, whilst a US army general arrived in Tehran to meet 'old friends', among them the Shah and General Zahidi. (56)

When the coup scenario finally began, huge demonstrations proceeded in the streets of Tehran, funded by CIA and MI6 money, $1 million dollars of which was in a safe in the US embassy (57) and £1.5 million which had been delivered by Britain to its agents in Iran, according to the MI6 officer responsible for delivering it. (58)

According to then CIA officer Richard Cottam, 'that mob that came into north Tehran and was decisive in the overthrow was a mercenary mob. It had no ideology. That mob was paid for by American dollars.' (59) One key aspect of the plot was to portray the demonstrating mobs as supporters of the Communist Party - Tudeh - in order to provide a suitable pretext for the coup and the assumption of control by the Shah(my emphasis /JC). Cottam observes that agents working on behalf of the British 'saw the opportunity and sent the people we had under our control into the streets to act as if they were Tudeh. They were more than just provocateurs, they were shock troops, who acted as if they were Tudeh people throwing rocks at mosques and priests'. (60) 'The purpose', Brian Lapping explains, 'was to frighten the majority of Iranians into believing that a victory for Mussadeq would be a victory for the Tudeh, the Soviet Union and irreligion'. (61)

The head of the CIA operation also sent envoys to the commanders of some provincial armies, encouraging them to move on to Tehran. (62) In the fighting in the capital, 300 people were killed before Musaddiq's supporters were defeated by the Shah's forces. AUS general later testified that 'the guns they had in their hands, the trucks they rode in, the armoured cars that they drove through the streets, and the radio communications that permitted their control, were all furnished through the military defence assistance program'. (63)

'All in all', US Iran analyst Barry Rubin comments, 'only five Americans with a half-dozen Iranian contacts had organised the entire uprising'. (64) The British input, however, had clearly been significant. One Iranian agent of the British - Shahpour Reporter, who subsequently served as adviser to the Shah - was later rewarded with a knighthood, before becoming a chief middleman for British arms sales to Iran, in particular for the manufacturers of Chieftain tanks and Rapier missiles. (65) Two years after the coup, the head of the MI6 end of the operation became Director of the Royal Institute of International Affairs, one of Britain's leading 'independent' academic research institutes. (66)

http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/l30iran.htm


Gulf of Tonkin incident (Manufactured to justify further US intervention in Viet Nam)


30-year Anniversary: Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War

By Jeff Cohen and Norman Solomon

Thirty years ago, it all seemed very clear.

"American Planes Hit North Vietnam After Second Attack on Our Destroyers; Move Taken to Halt New Aggression", announced a Washington Post headline on Aug. 5, 1964.

That same day, the front page of the New York Times reported: "President Johnson has ordered retaliatory action against gunboats and 'certain supporting facilities in North Vietnam' after renewed attacks against American destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin."

But there was no "second attack" by North Vietnam — no "renewed attacks against American destroyers." By reporting official claims as absolute truths, American journalism opened the floodgates for the bloody Vietnam War.

A pattern took hold: continuous government lies passed on by pliant mass media...leading to over 50,000 American deaths and millions of Vietnamese casualties.

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The official story was that North Vietnamese torpedo boats launched an "unprovoked attack" against a U.S. destroyer on "routine patrol" in the Tonkin Gulf on Aug. 2 — and that North Vietnamese PT boats followed up with a "deliberate attack" on a pair of U.S. ships two days later.

The truth was very different.

Rather than being on a routine patrol Aug. 2, the U.S. destroyer Maddox was actually engaged in aggressive intelligence-gathering maneuvers — in sync with coordinated attacks on North Vietnam by the South Vietnamese navy and the Laotian air force.

"The day before, two attacks on North Vietnam...had taken place," writes scholar Daniel C. Hallin. Those assaults were "part of a campaign of increasing military pressure on the North that the United States had been pursuing since early 1964."


http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2261





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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 06:43 AM
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10. the truth goes to the core of a fundamental truth that the Pentagon/CIA would never reveal
the Oligarchy depends on it
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 06:44 AM
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11. We are THROUGH the looking glass, trapped forever in Wonderland.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:48 AM
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15. 9/11, Amerithrax, and Iraq were inside jobs conducted from the OVP. n/t
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Arnold Judas Rimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:50 AM
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16. We don't even know the whole truth about JFK/RFK/MLK yet
And that all happened over 40 years ago. Granted, the internet makes it easier to circulate information now than it was in the 1960's (or even the first half of the 1990's, for that matter) but the downside of that technology also makes more elaborate coverups possible. :(
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 11:41 PM
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18. kick n/t
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