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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 04:07 PM
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Suskind: Rumsfeld declared that Iraq would ‘bend’ and ’succumb’
more: http://thinkprogress.org/

Suskind: Rumsfeld declared that Iraq would ‘bend’ and ’succumb’ to U.S. views.
Interviewed on C-SPAN’s Washington Journal this morning, Ron Suskind, author of a new book that reveals that the White House forged a letter concocting a fake link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11, criticized the administration’s pre-war arrogance. For example, Donald Rumsfeld once claimed that the U.S. could easily “bend” Iraq to think like the West:

SUSKIND: One of the quotes in the book which is picking up steam is Don Rumsfeld saying to folks, in meetings…saying essentially “we will bend,” he says, “Iraq to our reality.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 04:17 PM
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1. sounds familiar....
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 04:18 PM by wildbilln864
"The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'"

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 04:23 PM
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2. Rumsfailed must be charged wth War Crimes after Busholini
leaves the office.

Rumsfeld Shouldn't be Fired, He Should be Indicted
by Matthew Rothschild

“Secretary Rumsfeld has publicly admitted that . . . he ordered an Iraqi national held in Camp Cropper, a high security detention center in Iraq, to be kept off the prison’s rolls and not presented to the International Committee of the Red Cross,” the report noted. The Geneva Conventions require countries to grant the Red Cross access to all detainees. “

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0418-24.htm




Further Evidence Rumsfeld Implicated in War Crimes
Please read this important post by Marty Lederman, Army Confirms: Rumsfeld Authorized Criminal Conduct.

Here's a key section, but there's more:

The Army's charges against Jordan reflect the view, undoubtedly correct, that the use of forced nudity or intimidation with dogs against detainees subject to military control constitutes cruelty and maltreatment that Article 93 makes criminal. It doesn't matter whether they are or are not "torture," as such; nor does it matter whether the armed forces should be permitted to use such interrogation techniques: As things currently stand, they are unlawful, as even the Army now acknowledges.

But then how can we account for the actions of the Secretary of Defense and his close aides?

On November 27, 2002, Pentagon General Counsel William Haynes, following discussions with Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz, General Myers, and Doug Feith, informed the Secretary of Defense that forced nudity and the use of the fear of dogs to induce stress were lawful techniques, and he recommended that they be approved for use at Guantanamo.

(The lists of techniques to which Haynes was referring can be found in this memorandum.) On December 2, 2002, Secretary Rumsfeld approved those techniques for use at Guantanamo -- and subsequently those techniques were used on detainee Mohammed al-Qahtani.

In other words, the Secretary of Defense authorized criminal conduct.

...

Today's Army charge under UCMJ Article 93 against Lt. Col. Jordan -- for conduct that the SecDef actually authorized as to some detainees -- demonstrates that Rumsfeld approved of, and encouraged, violations of the criminal law.

http://www.discourse.net/archives/2006/04/further_evidence_rumsfeld_implicated_in_war_crimes.html







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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 12:20 PM
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4. excellent post! Thank you. nt
:hi:
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 05:07 PM
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3. bushco has certainly secured wide success in making
our government and americans 'bend and succumb'.
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