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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:37 PM Original message |
Why can't we have laws against lying? |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
1. We wouldn't need laws against lying if journalists did their job |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Legislation would help. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
30. If we could do that, it would make a huge difference. n/t |
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Odious justice (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Legislation would hurt. It would hurt ths site, this country, and it's constitution. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. It wouldn't apply to the general public, who have no authority but every |
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Odious justice (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. If you can't trust the media, and you can't trust the public, and you can't trust the government.... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #53 |
65. I disagree. I think if any news outlet had to adhere to the principles set |
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Odious justice (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #65 |
95. Yes. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. "If a journalist outright fabricates facts they should be fired or outed. |
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Odious justice (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #97 |
110. Think about that last statement. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #110 |
119. Exactly and he must state that his opinion is just that an opinion. Obama could |
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Odious justice (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #119 |
153. We all have a muslim background at some point. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #153 |
172. Umm no we don't |
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Odious justice (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #172 |
206. It wouldn't be hard to trace one realative to a muslim. |
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Fla_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 04:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
161. If |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #161 |
180. If you have a business license who determines when you are in violation of |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #161 |
197. No, that's NOT the definition of interference. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #197 |
202. Thank you for articulating this so well. |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #202 |
209. :) |
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aspergris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
176. lol |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #176 |
181. We are the government supposedly and we really need |
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aspergris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #181 |
184. the response to bad speech |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #184 |
188. Like I said, let Sean/Rush/Billo rant all they like. |
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aspergris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #188 |
191. again |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #191 |
193. So are you telling me you can't tell the difference? |
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aspergris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #193 |
195. the justification |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #195 |
201. To tell the truth, I'm not liking your Libertarian and Republican Hell that |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #176 |
198. lol |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. Agreed. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
3. How do you enforce such laws without infringing on freedom of speech? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. but they would have to PROVE it was a lie |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Ah. That's the difference i suppose. Because surely there are no judges or juries |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. you would have to make that assumption in order to dismiss such a thing |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Totally different, and kind of embarrasing for you. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. you know Bryant... just be honest.. You don't want accountability |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Well that's to be expected, although I'm surprised to find that standing up for free speech |
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Odious justice (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #21 |
59. It's not progressive or liberal to silence opposition. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #59 |
92. They aren't easy to tear apart when there is no equal forum to do it. |
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Odious justice (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #92 |
104. What are these lies? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #104 |
116. Have you ever been a member of Kaiser Permanente? |
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Odious justice (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #116 |
152. Ok, but that doesn't mean he's a liar. He probably never used |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #104 |
139. Wikipedia is not a valid source for this topic |
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Odious justice (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #139 |
151. It links to reports that rank health systems from US news. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
111. Not the dreaded ignore. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. lol.... puhleese... violating controlled media's freedom of speech? Lol... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #118 |
123. I hold the media to a higher standard. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #118 |
125. In regards to the ignore. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. This is the old canard about "balanced" vs objective". Its still bunk. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. That's an intereseting response |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Gee, if its that impossible, then how do any trials about FACTS get done at all? |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. Ah - I was unfamiliar with the history of the FCC apparently |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. We didn't have blatant lying in previous generations. No need to shut down what didn't exist. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. I do enjoy being accused of being dishonest constantly |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. You are in favor of free speech, but you "do (?n't?) enjoy being accused of being dishonest" |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Huh? OK - perhaps I should note that at this point I don't use the sarcasm tag. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #80 |
94. I said nothing about sarcsam. I did say something about hypocrisy. n/t |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 07:38 AM Response to Reply #94 |
163. OK - please unpack that for me - |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 07:48 AM Response to Reply #163 |
165. If I am correctly unpacking YOUR comment about not using the sarcasm tag, then... |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 08:02 AM Response to Reply #165 |
166. Ah - I see |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #166 |
167. Strawman. Talk about this thread, not some made up BS scenario. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #167 |
168. Interesting that all of these pro censorship people can't really handle debate |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #168 |
169. You don't debate, you just move from attack point to attack point, never answering the question... |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #169 |
171. How heroic. I hope you are successful in rescuing others from me. n/t |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. "We didn't have blatant lying in previous generations." |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Its too fine a point for you. Of course we had lying. Just not the "any moron knows it" lying we now |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. Are you the least bit familiar with the history of the U.S.? There have been lying |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #84 |
100. This is the first time since FDR gave us a government that supports the middle class that... |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
179. Make any public statement of an elected official de facto "under oath"? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #179 |
194. That would work, but I think I would limit it to only a few and powerful |
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meegbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
4. It's only legal to lie ... |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
35. SCOTUS might reverse their decission. This could have an effect on editorial mentions. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
5. they are paid liars. nothing more. |
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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. It's hard to do that without infringing on their First Amendment rights |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. How about making a condition. |
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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Sure, it's great in theory |
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Booster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
9. Cause we'd all be in jail. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. I'm not talking about day to day socializing. |
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bdab1973 (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
71. You'd still be in jail. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #71 |
112. she's obviously talking about the MSM... and not posters on the internet |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
113. We are all in the Media? |
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DesertFlower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
10. i agree. |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. I lived in the UK for 35 years |
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DesertFlower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. it takes me 3-4 weeks |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
11. I Agree with You... how to hold them accountable is the question |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. That's the problem. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. I Agree with you.... |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
56. Who is the "them" whose speech you think could be restricted? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
98. do you really need to ask the question |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #98 |
124. How the hell do you apply a law restricting speech to the "MSM"? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #124 |
143. Fine THEM LIKE THE FCC Already DOES when Someone Swears on TV |
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Fuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
20. Damn ten commandments. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. None of the 10 Commandments prohibit lying per se |
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Fuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. I was brought up being told the 8th commandment |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #32 |
60. I remember being given the example, in Sunday school, of a German family hiding Jews during WWII |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. We all lie socially and sometimes out of necessity. |
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Fuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #60 |
86. Oh sure. There are always exceptions. That's the nature of |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #86 |
106. The line between bearing false witness and other forms of speech seems pretty clear to me |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
22. There ARE laws against lying - |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
27. Alas, the laws would have to made by politicians. Not exactly the standards of honesty. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. You gave me an idea. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Glad to be of service. Hope it works. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Well, I agree about the Northwest. |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
28. Cleita, I can't tell you how many times that same thought has crossed |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. It's what brings down empires and once great countries. |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Yes, it is. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
34. I know on it's face it sounds like a great idea |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Watch out - bringing common sense into this discussion might get you yelled at. n/t |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. um.... we are talking about the MSM media here |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Not to contradict you |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Where is the line drawn then? The government should not be in the habit of regulating news |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. Why should this one business not have some regulation? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #58 |
79. Because it is the press. Because the found fathers realized how important this is |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. Wake up and smell the newsprint. We already have government run news |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. No- you think that is what you are proposing- But it is the opposite |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #89 |
105. The smaller presses would have to keep to the truth and they wouldn't |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. And you don't think they would be tied up in baseless litigation until bankrupted? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #109 |
157. Every small business runs that risk. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 05:38 AM Response to Reply #157 |
162. My business? My business is incredibly regulated. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Surely, such a law or laws would have to be more narrowly defined. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. You Would Think Separation of Church and State |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I guess you are ignoring me. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Yes, but it's up to us to keep them in their place, |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. We have nothing now for a reason. Its a very important part of the Constitution. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. So I guess we must accept that we don't have an honest press |
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Odious justice (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. What press are you reading? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. You know when I go anywhere, the gym, the hospital, the car repair and all |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
75. No- quite the opposite. We ensure that government can't dictate the news |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #75 |
88. We already have that system if you haven't noticed. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. There would be no news under the legislation you propose |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #90 |
101. We have news? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #101 |
108. Yes we do have news. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #108 |
149. Yes, for those of us who have the luxury of |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
196. I see what you're saying but I kinda like the idea of churches having to substantiate their beliefs. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
54. Because those laws would be (1) unworkable and (2) ridiculously unconstitutional |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. They work in the UK, is that good enough reason? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. They keep Ruppert Murdoch's tabloids in line, don't they?n/t |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. First of all, the UK doesn't have that pesky First Amendment. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
96. What laws did the OP call for that go beyond the UK? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #96 |
138. Read your own OP. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #138 |
148. Well, in the heat of the moment I was thinking of the most egregious lies |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #64 |
204. Like the 1990 McDonald's defamation case? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
57. because of freedom of speech/press and because of the potential for abuse |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. But if only the truth were allowed to be spoken |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Belling the cat is a great idea. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
74. Because liars are the ones who work the hardest (to protect their right to lie). |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. Yep - and the Innocent have nothing to fear. n/t |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Really? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. (I believe you are arguing against your own position at this point) |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Drastically restrict free speech? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Yes. Drastically. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. If this were a law, the Project For a New American Century would not |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #99 |
107. Oh, now you want to criminalize "unfounded ideology" and "unrealistic goals" as well? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #107 |
114. really... they are the Mainstream Media? Stop exagerating |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. Please tell me how I have exaggerated your position. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #117 |
122. You Deliberately Exaggerated her statement to include: |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #122 |
128. Please explain how you could possibly restrict the speech of a commentator from the Cato Institute |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #128 |
131. Well, that would be different since a commentator would be Invited |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #131 |
134. That makes no sense. A "commentator" that works for NBC would have his speech |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. buh bye |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #136 |
141. Bye. Have a good evening. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #83 |
173. I feel kind of sorry for you |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
77. This is one of the worst policy ideas I've ever heard. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Get over it. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
103. good topic Cleita |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #103 |
115. It's amazing that people consider gutting the First Amendment as a desirable solution |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #115 |
126. Can you or I swear on tv anytime we want? Didn't think so... |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. Your example is a non sequitur |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. lol.... gotcha. buh bye |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #132 |
135. Um, if by "gotcha" you mean "posted nonsense that doesn't have anything to do with the topic" |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. yawn |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #137 |
140. At this point it appears you've stopped even pretending you have an argument. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #140 |
142. Lol.... Get Over Yourself Already |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #103 |
120. Yep, but they will defend to the last the right of every lying |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #120 |
127. They Are Conflating Freedom of Speech with Corporate Controlled Media |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
102. We do have laws against lying. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #102 |
121. Are they being enforced? |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #121 |
145. Only when they can, the Bush admin slashed the budget for the anti-lying task force. |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
129. If a lie could be connected with the loss of life, as in truth-in-labelling laws, |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #129 |
133. That's Reasonable... |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
144. It's not about lying. |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
146. if on air i'd end every broadcast grilling guests "does my butt look bigger in this?" |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. And if they answered it, (they don't have to) would you be able to |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 03:11 AM Response to Reply #147 |
158. no, don't you see? they're always lying, either way. my butt is beautiful... |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
150. No, you see, you've got it all wrong. Lying is Good, GOod, GOOD! |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #150 |
156. It was close to sarcasm, but it was too true. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 12:58 AM Response to Original message |
154. "It may have been so decades ago as these countries were getting their health care" |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:24 AM Response to Reply #154 |
155. Thank you for saying this. |
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Heddi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 03:43 AM Response to Reply #155 |
159. I think we also have a collective head up our ass as a country |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #159 |
192. The problem is the insurance companies and HMOs and for any politician to even |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 04:27 AM Response to Original message |
160. Amerika was built on lies... |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 07:40 AM Response to Reply #160 |
164. Do you think we should abandon america |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #164 |
210. Since you post on DU, it's safe to say... |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
170. We'd have to jail Newt forever. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #170 |
208. hell, if such a law had been around in 1863, someone could've jailed Abe Lincoln |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
174. The only real way to fix this kind of problem |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #174 |
205. Well after we have educated the next generation I'm sure that will be |
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aspergris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
175. because it chills free speech and is inconsistent with democracy. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #175 |
177. Galileo is not a good example. In that case you had the church deciding |
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aspergris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #177 |
178. the church WAS the state |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #178 |
182. Yes, it was and that is why we have separation of church and state today. |
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aspergris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #182 |
185. get reaL |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. I'm not talking about bad ideas I am talking about lies. |
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aspergris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #186 |
190. there is no difference |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #190 |
199. We don't have a free press when the WH is feeding the press everything that |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. Right on! n/t |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
183. Outlaws don't care about laws! |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #183 |
189. That's because they are getting away with murder. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
200. Because we have something called the First Amendment. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #200 |
203. I'm sure a news guy like Benjamin Franklin did not have |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #203 |
207. I suspect that the founding fathers were quite familiar with journalistic excess |
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