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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:30 AM Original message |
Assuming PEAK OIL fundamentals cause the price trend, what is causing the huge dip recently? |
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rwenos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. Don't You Recall 1973? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. There are trains in LA, you know. Maybe you guys shouldn't have ILLEGALIZED rapid transit. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:34 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Do you know why we banned subway construction? |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. I would think it is |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. No, the mass transit system was over-ground, not underground |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. So you take credit for banning it. Los Angeleans are part of the problem. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #42 |
82. I didn't do jack, Leopold. I was a kid when it happened. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. The red car was too slow in shared traffic. It would have had to be grade separated |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #43 |
83. LA residents use MetroRail and MetroLink consistently |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #29 |
80. One city: Mexico City |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 12:55 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Angelenos don't have a "lifestyle" |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:24 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. And I am serious, the reason usually given |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 04:42 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. I live in SoCal, there is no set lifestyle among my friends |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. News to you, you are the exception |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. You're presuming to insult an entire state and you talk about me dissing your friends? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. lifestyle is not condemning anybody |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #10 |
33. Subways vs. Rail corridors. Apple, meet Orange. n/t |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. 25 mph street-running Rail corridors DO NOT WORK over long distances. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Sensible people in DALLAS, KANSAS CITY, CINCY, NOVA want to upgrade to subway. |
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wvbygod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #10 |
36. A subway in a major earthquake zone is suicide |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. Actually, WRONG. Underground is the safest place you can be. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #36 |
81. Mexico City... 8.1 in the Richter Scale that lasted a minute and a half |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 05:15 AM Response to Reply #81 |
88. If done correctly |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. What part of that system survived are you missing |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. Oh, that was polite. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 08:42 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Talking reality was inappropriate? |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
2. That's the tricky aspect |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Nash equilibrium sounds like the econ version of prisoner's dilemma |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
67. Smart posts LG, good to read. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
3. Ariel Sharon died, Ahmadinejad started running his mouth about |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
95. Sharon is technically still alive. n/t |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
4. Read the article here: |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Semgroup's "aggressive growth plan" b egan in the wake |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Yes, that is proof that the evil speculators were net short, ie lost their ass betting the wrong way |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
68. I wasn't trying to vindicate the "there is no oil shortage" theory |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:54 AM Response to Original message |
5. There have been a lot of false dichotomies lately. |
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CrazyDude (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Speculation is the market's answer for conservation |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Good point. Why do some Dems assume that "expensive" oil (1/2 cost of pro-transit Europe) is bad? |
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wvbygod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #15 |
38. USA infrastructure requires cheaper oil unlike Europe |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. I am sick of hearing how "Americans don't want to live like Europe" and "destroy our way of life" |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 04:45 AM Response to Reply #46 |
87. Now this I totally agree with |
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wvbygod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 08:50 AM Response to Reply #46 |
89. Focus |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
7. The fluctuating market... |
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CrazyDude (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
8. Inherent volatility |
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Monk06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:21 AM Response to Original message |
11. Because Wall St can smell a crackdown on the derivative market and the last thing they want is |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
13. why, for the last year or so, do gas prices jump 5, 10 or 20 cents |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:11 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. As a matter of fact |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
103. cumulatively, yes. My post referred to the last year, when upward trends, |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:55 AM Response to Original message |
17. Peak plateau |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
47. EOWAWKI? |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. Sorry, misspelled: |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:22 AM Response to Original message |
19. the speculators have no more space in their vaults for the cash? nt |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:32 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. No they are doing what they did with stocks |
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grannie4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:27 AM Response to Original message |
20. speculating |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
56. Maybe the story in reply #4? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:30 AM Response to Original message |
21. That's all well and good |
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jazzjunkysue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Right. If you had to actually fund your purchase, and then deliver and store it, |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
52. But the majority of DUers oppose taxing gas and spending money on RAPID transit. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
62. In this mess |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Left that industry far behind |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
23. If Peak Oil Fundamentals Had Been Behind the Rise to $150/Barrel |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
24. Assuption is wrong ..."Assuming PEAK OIL fundamentals cause the price trend" |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. And further T/A says that there will be a new High coming on USO (Oil ETF)/oil starting from HERE |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. That is not due to fundamentals? (loss of monopoly pricing power/no more excess capacity ever) |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
25. The inconvenient fact that there is still a lot of oil out there |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
50. Do you believe Americans have the right to consume twice as much oil/VMT as we did in 1980? |
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sentelle (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
27. why is it |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
28. Peak oil is more gradual. To know how much peak oil |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
55. Marginal oil company profits per barrel of oil dropped from 2007 to 2008 |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #55 |
75. Because they don't any type of flood of cheap oil |
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jazzjunkysue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
32. Answer: Gramps is losing. |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
34. Floor price and peak oil fundamentals: not short-term blips |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
58. Ecxellent and Informative. Thanks. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
98. here's another version of floor price, & there are others - i've heard as low as $20. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
35. there's an election on the way. |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
37. You are right! Unfortunately, "Americans" are not about "prevention". |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
39. Oil Price Falls! Peak Oil a Non-Problem! |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
40. They fear Americans might start using less. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
41. The peak oilers who last month were telling us prices would never come down |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
54. Price has nothing to do with it. The fact is oil has been on a |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. i'm not laughing, simply noting that i was told by some of the same posters |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. "Never" -- Riiight |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. If they don't believe in Peak Oil, shouldn't the floor price be $20 ala Clinton era? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. something along the lines of "prices are never coming down again - |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Keep it straight |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. i've read plenty, i take nothing as gospel but time. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. You're absolutely right. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. thanks for the apology, i appreciate it. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #71 |
97. General scenario |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
63. A quote to back your claim? |
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CANDO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
51. Big Oil is scared they are destroying the world's economy |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
53. Hey, look! I've manage to digress from a Peak Oil thread... |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
57. Seasonal variation - happens EVERY year |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. McCain credits Republicans for winter equinox, claims less sunlight "solution to global warming" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #57 |
78. not seeing it here: |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #78 |
90. That is crude oil, not retail gasoline. |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
72. assuming peak oil is wrong. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
73. Oil prices fell from $80/barrel to $50/barrel in 2007 |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #73 |
79. not seeing it here: |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #79 |
93. I'm sorry, I should have said 2006, not 2007, but my premise still stands |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
74. The "Iran Premium" |
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guitarguy420 (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
94. peak oil is a scam |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. I hate to do this, but show me any CREDIBLE geologist that says this |
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