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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:05 PM Original message |
My two cents on the Anthrax Suicide… from a former spook |
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stubtoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. Recommending. n/t |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. you can bet the Corp Media will stay very far from any follow-up questions (Mukasey will demand it) |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
43. Simple self-preservation will also demand it, I should think. n/t |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
147. Like I said, anyone |
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navarth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
3. This whole deal smells funny. |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. kind of like David Kelly n/t |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
102. Dr. Kelley has been going over and over in my mind. |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #102 |
149. Scary, isn't it. |
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monmouth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. Worthy of a Pacino film (think of his "Insider" role on the whistleblower |
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cadaverdog (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
81. Actually, the movie that comes to mind for me is |
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chatnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #81 |
134. Excellent film |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. This only goes away if we let it. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
7. The media seems to have closed the book on him. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
8. not only that |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
9. Proud to give rec #5 |
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rwenos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
10. Suspicious Factors |
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willing dwarf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. iI thought they said it was an OD of Tylenol and something else... |
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lligrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Codeine, But In Any Other OD An Autopsy Would Be Performed |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
76. Timing, Proximity, Secrecy, Political Targets, Motives & Initial Propoganda |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. ... |
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HowHasItComeToThis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
116. BINGO, CITIZEN |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
11. Tidied up and closed permanently before Bush/Cheney exit. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
48. Along with a lot of other evidence. They are covering up everything. |
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HowHasItComeToThis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
117. BINGO, CITIZEN |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
125. Put options were closed fast. I remember the laid back curt absolution from Ashcroft. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
167. Yes. It is very CONVENIENT that this case is being closed up |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
12. I concur |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 08:43 AM Response to Reply #12 |
161. i'd love to hear your story |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #161 |
164. Here's one from my journal |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
13. I wonder |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
15. Thanks for your comments . . . |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. all that came up after he was targeted |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. I didn't include it, but . . . . |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
77. other mind altering drugs -- apparently his 'therapist' is a drug counselor |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #77 |
119. ... sadly we've seen medical professionals working with the CIA, etc. . . |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
45. "Client has a history dating to his graduate days of homicidal threats,...' |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. where are the witnesses to decades of this behavior? other than this one |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
114. Google Jean C Duley - the only hits I could get were mentions in THIS story |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 08:46 AM Response to Reply #114 |
162. that is interesting |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
17. Yep. They have their |
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lligrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
18. Yep, If They Could Have Gotten Hatfield To Suicide Himself |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
19. Thank you. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. The really sad thing is that there is no investigative reporting... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
41. The corporate-owned media, you mean. |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
52. just heard a good NPR report - Ivin's colleagues are NOT buying it |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
174. Very interesting ! |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
111. our local rag has the AP piece that quotes a victim declaring the suicide as prove of guilt |
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Mme. Defarge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
22. Recommended -- n/t |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
23. Such a well-written OP, I was looking for a "link" to read more. |
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sojourner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
54. you have nailed it... so many really, really convenient suicides....lucky Adminitration, eh? |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
86. Bush and Cheney are the luckiest SOB's that ever lived.. |
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benddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
24. naming him as the |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
25. It took Hatfil years to set the record straight. |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
58. Seems to me like Hatfill didn't play according to plan and cave. nt |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #58 |
106. so they found another target that would crumble--in time to close the case |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
27. k*r EXCELLENT |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #27 |
60. Just heard an NPR report about them interrogating family |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #60 |
103. A message, not lost on those watching, perhaps. |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
28. Why was a known "homicidal sociopath" allowed to keep his Security Clearance in a military lab? |
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yy4me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Who is the Einstein that wrote the notes at the bottom? I think |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Look at the clean elegance of Duley's signature |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 08:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
113. and McRove went straight to Letterman declaring Iraq the source, and phase II |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-04-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
185. Don't be silly--why if anyone tried a conspiracy like this, everyone would know about it! |
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file83 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Because he wasn't a sociopath or homicidal - it's all part of operation. |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Good points. Note that Duley calls Dr. Ivins a "client", though. |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
62. She worked for his employer. |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Exactly. |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
56. ok, that's one of my questions - Duley wasn't his therapist, right? |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #56 |
72. According to this article on Huffpo, Duley was a social worker. |
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Jazzgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. That hand written statement at the bottom is weird. |
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gatorboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. It's also neither signed nor dated. |
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file83 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #50 |
75. Well, perhaps we are supposed to assume that it was written on the back |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
96. Duley's petition shows dates. |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #96 |
176. Correction: Duley's petition is dated July 21, 2008 |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #39 |
92. I do not mean to disparage drug therapists, however, I know |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
90. Does this look like the printing on the anthrax letters or not? |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. Not sure that even an accredited graphologist could tell from these samples. |
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RedLetterRev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #28 |
165. A-way back when |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #165 |
175. Your statement makes sense. I expect our government to safeguard such weapons. |
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RedLetterRev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #175 |
180. My loyalty to the Constitution is exactly why I am upset |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #180 |
181. I'm with you on this. It's the lies and corruption and the perversion of our Constitution. |
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jazzjunkysue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #28 |
173. Ok. My rule: "When the actions don't match the words, you've found them out." |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
29. I find these kind of Bushite crimes even harder to stomach than their slaughter of |
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shireen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 02:41 AM Response to Reply #29 |
153. excellent post |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
30. Physician who worked with Ivins is pointing to the Justice Dept... |
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file83 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. EXACTLY!!! We can also strike the other conspiracy theory that Irvin did it for $$$... |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
61. interesting. nt |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
127. is Mukasey in charge of what the DoJ leaks to the Media? |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #127 |
137. him or Cheney I guess. Interesting this happens after the oversight hearings too. nt |
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mamameow (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
31. suicide!!!???? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
65. Those who responded . . "saw no signs of suicide" . . . |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
32. I was also in the business. I collected info. |
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file83 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. You mean like... |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. yes |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
67. They certainly targeted Daschle .. . |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #67 |
104. Congress was threatened. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #104 |
118. Thank you . . . I had no idea he said this . . . |
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rucognizant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #67 |
120. And do you remember.......... |
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Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #67 |
166. Limbaugh was calling Daschle "El Diablo" during 2001 |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
35. Have you ever heard of the Narcotics Task Force? They used to do that. |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
63. that is truly frightening. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
68. Sick and evil people --- |
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grannie4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
46. wow but not really |
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Phred42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
47. They HAD to wrap this up before they loose control in January |
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Aviation Pro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
49. As someone who has been around enough operators to know.... |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
51. Do you think we might hear anything pertinent from Hatfield? |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #51 |
89. I'd be willing to bet |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #89 |
99. omg, that would explain the timing |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #99 |
115. How does one go about finding out about a legal settlement? |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
53. About three to six months after the attacks, a female biologist/phd |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #53 |
78. Barbara Hatch Rosenberg |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #78 |
124. Is this her report? COMPILATION OF MAILED ANTHRAX EVIDENCE |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #124 |
138. good work - thanks for posting. nt |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-04-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #124 |
187. Yes and you can |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
55. So much for justice in this country |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
59. Just another situation for Cheney & Bush to close the book on... |
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AnnieBW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
64. Just Cheney Tying up the Loose Ends |
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Virginian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #64 |
105. You mean McCain is not going to choose Cheney as a running mate? n/t |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
66. This is a believable explanation of what was done to this man. |
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Frisbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
69. I haven't been buying this one... |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #69 |
145. i see, all the other times things added up? nt |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
70. I didn't believe the story when it broke. |
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shireen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
71. evidence from the therapist? This case reminiscent of David Kelley & WMD. |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 09:41 AM Response to Reply #71 |
168. looks like M$NBC intends to trot out former prosecutor talking heads to emphasize how important |
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Christa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
73. K & R |
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newfie11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
74. Why does a suspicious death not rate an autopsy????? |
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mr.anonymouslurker (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
80. Motive and scenario |
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Tinksrival (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #80 |
108. Welcome to DU..............I think? |
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Mr_Jefferson_24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
112. Welcome to DU and please... |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #80 |
133. 3 undeniable facts: Blame Islamists, real source Ft Detrick, Propoganda pretext for Iraq invasion |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #80 |
135. Deleted message |
TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 06:35 AM Response to Reply #80 |
156. Good analysis. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-04-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #80 |
186. Welcome to DU. Who are Zack and Rippy? |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
82. But we do need to celebrate this |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. It's not a conspiracy theory |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #87 |
94. Balderdash! Of course it is a conspiracy theory. (eom) |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. There's conspiracy theories |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 07:19 AM Response to Reply #98 |
157. Your "conspiracy theories", by which I assume you mean wild and unfounded theories of loonies, |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
83. If Hatfield was allowed to live to sue, why didn't Ivins go to the ACLU with his story? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #83 |
177. Because he was right-wing and thought the ACLU was a bad |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-04-08 06:57 AM Response to Reply #177 |
183. Has it been determined he's right-wing? |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
84. Thank you for your professional opinion Nightwatcher.. |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
85. K&R. I doubted the story the minute I heard it. |
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nikto (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
88. Wow...It's a slam-dunk murder, IMO |
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samsingh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
91. kick |
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Norrin Radd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
93. But...but...but... |
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Stevepol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
95. While I don't deny that anything is possible, it's also possible and maybe more likely |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
100. The L.A. Times (hard copy edition) ran a story |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
101. tylenol with codeine suicide -- from an MD's pov |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. Informative post. Thank you. |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #101 |
121. how long do you have for stomach pumping? |
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MetaTrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #101 |
131. Here's his claimed "therapist" talking about her happy pills |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #131 |
141. subozone users are asked to attend a group session once a week |
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FraDon (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #131 |
172. A frightening, related link from that same FrederickNewsPost page. |
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factcheckr (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #101 |
132. The lethal dose of codeine |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #101 |
136. and yet the Corporate Scriveners couldn't take the time to ask a physician about his death? |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 03:32 AM Response to Reply #101 |
155. Maybe these sorts of questions are why the story changed |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
109. The lack of autopsy, if true, is unbelievable. |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
110. " history of making homicidal threats" - Background check? |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #110 |
122. I have yet to hear anyone other than that verify it |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #122 |
144. Good point. Check this out - the tape of the Social Workers restraing order hearing |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #122 |
178. Lots of very healthy people were suicidal at some point in their life. |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #110 |
143. much of the DoJ/Media PR case revolves around Ms. Duley's 'analysis' of Ivin |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
123. Now that was good analysis. |
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DeepBlueC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
126. fascinating |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
128. I thought the second that drugs are involved an autopsy is ORDERED. |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #128 |
139. No. My dad overdosed and no autopsy was performed per Mom's wishes. nt |
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Spiffarino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #139 |
146. That's surprising |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
129. "They' hate us for our freedom. |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
130. When you look at all the lies and set-ups - it makes a person |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
140. Case closed. |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
142. Just another day in paradise. One suicide after another after another... |
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Spiffarino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 12:40 AM Response to Reply #142 |
148. There will be many unusual happenings... |
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phoenixriz (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 02:35 AM Response to Reply #142 |
152. Article of Interest |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
150. They've got suicidal depression in a pill, I'm sure. Not a lot of harassment needed. |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
151. ABC news releases from undisclosed sources now look like perps. That should keep story alive |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #151 |
163. CNN is running hard with the "he was about to go postal" audio exerpt from Duley |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 03:02 AM Response to Original message |
154. 133rd recommendation here. oh, and a little kick as well. n/t |
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raging_moderate (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
158. no autopsy? |
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RedLetterRev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
159. FWIW From another former spook |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #159 |
182. That is EXACTLY what I think- |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
160. What I thought was outrageous... |
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Y B Gerbil (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
169. Well Mr. Spook, |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
170. Obviously, it is a viciously organised nightmare for the victims of overt |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #170 |
179. And I'd better not get cocky or they'll take me down a peg or three. |
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sourmilk (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
171. Agree wholeheartedly. |
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SharonRB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-04-08 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
184. Thom Hartmann just talked about this post |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-05-08 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
188. One of Ivins' friends also talked about the fact he had no more money for lawyers . . .. |
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