Just THINK of where WE would be had GORE been President...

[opihimoimoi]

No 9/11

Nation Debt almost ZERO

Military INTACT and STRONG

DOW off the roof 14,000 maybe higher 17,000

Kyoto Accord acceptance

STRONG DOLLAR VALUE

Infrastructure addressed

Joe L would be Veep and still a Dem(albeit in wolfs clothing....)

Justice Dept not comp'd

He wouldn't have won the NOBEL nor an Oscar...a cheap price for a better Leader and a better America.

No Wars, No Casualties

No Secrecy

Less Incompetent Cronies

Cindy Sheehan's son would most likey still be ALIVE as the other 4,000+ poor soulsGas would be considerably lower including the Football guy

Republican Face still Intact

Other suggestions?

[Triana]

1. We'd have a very good start on developing/using alternative energy sources and..

....be setting a shining example for the rest of the world re: environment and climate change.

[opihimoimoi]

4. Yes...I missed that in my hurry...Thank You very much....

A very good point....

:toast:

[yardwork]

28. I was going to say that, too.

I agree with everything in the OP. It's not far-fetched at all.

I would add that, with our strong economy, budget surplus, and increasing reliance on renewable energy, the country would be very likely to have adopted some form of universal health care by now, with no negative impact on our economy. In fact, our economy would continue to improve and thrive because of the investment in the health of our children and young people.

[Kaleko]

2. It's impossible for me to say for sure what would have been different.

One good guess is that the neocons would have tried to sabotage the Gore administration every step of the way.

Perhaps they had plans for a Gore assassination to make Lieberman the Prez. Imagine that...

The corruption would have had less of a chance to spread as far into every department because the Democrats wouldn't have been as severely tested under Gore to show where their true loyalties lie when Bush came to shove.

[opihimoimoi]

5. Thanks, you mentioned assassination...I never gave it a thought

but as you brought up.....Oh Wow....its so bad I don wanna go there...its nightmares as we NOW know the True Joe...snake in the Grass.

[Kaleko]

9. See, I look at people like Lieberman

and get an instant intuitive reading on who they are underneath the facade. So, when Gore "picked" the slime bag weasel Lieberman, I was horrified! Found it distasteful to vote for the ticket because of Lieberman (but then I didn't have citizenship at the time, so voting was a moot point). And later I learned that Lieberman was forced on Gore by the DLC. Is that right?

[opihimoimoi]

14. I too was amazed disappointed he picked the dude...why is still a mystery to me

I suspected there was a Pub Mole in there somewhere

espec at the recount nonphase

[yardwork]

30. It's possible that Lieberman would have stayed quiescent as a Gore VP.

In some ways, the past seven years have been a tragedy for Lieberman, along with so many others. As VP to a good president who prevented terrorist attacks, Lieberman would never have morphed into what he is. The Bush administration brought out the very worst in Joe. It really is a personal tragedy for him. And for so many others, not least of which are the many thousands dead and wounded and the loved ones they leave behind.

[opihimoimoi]

38. yeah, I hear ya....I woulkd say the odds ride with your possibility

:toast:

[Kaleko]

55. You make a good point.

People like to repeat Lord Acton's famous line: Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I see something more nuanced there, and that is, any kind of power merely allows the corruption that already exists in people as a latent tendency to find a bigger playing field to express itself.

IOW, Joe was ready to be corruptible from the start, and so were many other Democrats who would have been kept in check by strong leadership that kept insisting on integrity. Whether Gore would have supplied that at the time and under the relentless pressure to cave in to the neocons on both sides of the aisle is another question.

I think Gore found his full-fledged integrity only after he left that cesspool in Washington.

[Zookeeper]

3. Funny you should bring up the subject...

I was thinking the same thing a couple of days ago. It's absolutely heartbreaking to think of how much better off our country would be if the SCOTUS hadn't aided and abetted BushCo in stealing the Presidency!

Eight years of BushCo has left America FUBAR. :mad:

[opihimoimoi]

7. Yes, Fucked up beyond all repair...roughly translated for those unfamiliar

[Mind_your_head]

6. Where do we go from here? - MLK

I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, as we talk about "Where do we go from here?" that we must honestly face the fact that the movement must address itself to the question of restructuring the whole of American society.There are forty million poor people here, and one day we must ask the question, "Why are there forty million poor people in America?" And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising a question about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth. When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. (Yes) And I'm simply saying that more and more, we've got to begin to ask questions about the whole society. We are called upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. (Yes) But one day we must come to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. (All right) It means that questions must be raised. And you see, my friends, when you deal with this you begin to ask the question, "Who owns the oil?" (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Who owns the iron ore?" (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Why is it that people have to pay water bills in a world that's two-thirds water?" (All right) These are words that must be said. (All right)

Now, don't think you have me in a bind today. I'm not talking about communism. What I'm talking about is far beyond communism. (Yeah) My inspiration didn't come from Karl Marx (Speak); my inspiration didn't come from Engels; my inspiration didn't come from Trotsky; my inspiration didn't come from Lenin. Yes, I read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital a long time ago (Well), and I saw that maybe Marx didn't follow Hegel enough. (All right) He took his dialectics, but he left out his idealism and his spiritualism. And he went over to a German philosopher by the name of Feuerbach, and took his materialism and made it into a system that he called "dialectical materialism." (Speak) I have to reject that.

What I'm saying to you this morning is communism forgets that life is individual. (Yes) Capitalism forgets that life is social. (Yes, Go ahead) And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis. (Speak) It is found in a higher synthesis (Come on) that combines the truths of both. (Yes) Now, when I say questioning the whole society, it means ultimately coming to see that the problem of racism, the problem of economic exploitation, and the problem of war are all tied together. (All right) These are the triple evils that are interrelated.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/21/171018/482/715/440673

[opihimoimoi]

8. Where to the Next level of course......we need to strive and fight for Better

Times are shitty???
REVOLT WITH A SMART VOTE

Go Blue...Better Sweeter for all of us....

More Jobs too

[Mind_your_head]

10. No doubt that there is LOTS of hard, dedicated work ahead

One day at a time

a) make sure everyone's vote gets accurately counted

b) Sweep out the senators/reps that have made/promised "deals" with enemies of the republic, rather than in the interest of the United States and her citizens.

That would be an encouraging 'start'.

[opihimoimoi]

15. how can anyone object to your suggestions....?

:toast:

[Ghost in the Machine]

11. I've often wondered if Gore had won, would he have been assassinated and LIEberman

would have stepped up... and turned coat to do PNAC's bidding...???

/tinfoil

[Mind_your_head]

12. That would have been the same as 'what we got' - four more years of

the shrub's doing PNAC's bidding and Al would be dead (and not doing his great environmental awareness work that he has done).

I think Mr. Gore was prolly 'pretty smart'.

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That being said, and lamenting "what might have been" (which is mostly useless), we're still left with "Where do we go from here?"

[opihimoimoi]

13. Don't like what Bush/GOP did??? Revolt with your Vote...

Sometime, we have to reflect on these kinds of thoughts so that we might reflect the loss of Opportunities...its a teaching thing

:toast:

[Mind_your_head]

16. I HOPE that my vote is counted.....

....I don't TRUST that it will be.

LOTS of problems/issues with making sure our votes are accurately counted.

Check out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203

[opihimoimoi]

18. I hear ya..them Pubs are slimey things who LIE CHEAT STEAL their way into Power so as to DOMINATE US

Cheating on the National Level goes way back...but these guys made it into an art form

[aquart]

20. OR the Twin Towers would still be standing.

Because Gore wouldn't have ignored vital intelligence briefings.

But thanks so much for your theory of a Jewish conspiracy to murder Gore.

[Ghost in the Machine]

23. Please point out ANYWHERE that I said ANYTHING about a "Jewish Conspiracy"

Is PNAC a Jewish entity?? Maybe you should check your reading comprehension skills... they seem to be off a bit..

:eyes:

[opihimoimoi]

27. Use ignore button...I did awhile ago

[yardwork]

32. LOL!

Sometimes the simplest advice is the best. As in this case.

[Ghost in the Machine]

85. I hear ya, but I don't use the ignore function... it pays to keep an eye on

the whackadoodles, too... it's important to counter some of the garbage they spew...

[BrklynLiberal]

49. and all those 9/11 victims would be alive.

[TankLV]

72. I fervently believe that with every molecule in my body...

of that I have NO doubt...

at least we wouldn't have the Patriot Act and the Constitution trashed...

[Sancho]

17. We'll never have a Democrat in the White House until we have fair elections.

The VP pick doesn't matter. The polls don't matter. The number of votes counted matters.

[opihimoimoi]

19. I hear your fear...one way is to LandSlide the damn thing ...12% plus is a good start

:toast:

[fasttense]

21. Or where we would be if Nancy had IMPEACHED. n/t

[opihimoimoi]

22. Cheney would be Prez...they cannot mention it but Bush is Preferred to big dick

[yardwork]

34. I get that - why can't we impeach Chainsaw first?

[opihimoimoi]

36. LOL, your guess is as good as anyones including mine...which is ?????

There is something about him......hmmmmmm.

[yardwork]

46. Here's what it is. If Congress impeached them both, there would be another Republican in the WH.

That new Republican might get elected. People wouldn't be as mad at the Republicans if they'd watched dickless and chimpy get tossed out on their ears.

I think that impeachment is off the table for a very cynical, self-serving reason. It helps Democrats get reelected to have dickless and chimpy in the White House.

[Kaleko]

58. The complicity of too many Dems in any number of Boosh crimes is another factor.

The investigations during impeachment proceedings would clearly reveal all that.

Thus, accountability is off the table. And the table is broken, that's the scary part. We've broken our Republic apart.

[yardwork]

59. That's an even worse reason. I think you're right.

[dysfunctional press]

24. well- there probably would have been impeachment hearings by 2002 at the latest...

but at least we could have gotten 4 more years out of the world trade center.

[opihimoimoi]

33. If Gore was installed in 2001....there prolly would not have been the 9/11

Gore understands Warnings much better than the Bush Team

[yardwork]

35. Not to mention the possibility that the chimp's team actually caused 9/11....

I know I'm not supposed to mention that here but the likelihood seems greater all the time. I mean, look at what they've admitted to doing.

[opihimoimoi]

64. LIHOP or MIHOP??? Someday we find out...I strongley think LIHOP

:beer: :)

[dysfunctional press]

40. that's why i said that it would have been put off for 4 years...

until the repugs stole the election in 2004, or had won outright by dragging the gore administration down for 4 years.

[opihimoimoi]

65. OOPs on my part...you're right...I see it now

:beer: :toast:

[lunatica]

25. Add Stem cell research

Which by now would have probably found some amazing cures for diabetes, alzheimers and on an on.

We would be deep into finding alternate energies with the help and blessing from the Gore Administration

New Orleans would probably be rebuilt by now

The economy would be growing like crazy with millions of jobs added and new businesses starting up just in the renewable energy industry. We would be exporting it by now too.

[opihimoimoi]

29. As a diabetic...I am outraged at Bush and his stifling SC Reasearch...

How many people living suffer from many ailments which might see a cure/improvements...and are denied the opportunity to see the outcome of progressive reasearch....?

This is INSANE

[yardwork]

37. All those people would never have suffered for days at the Superdome.

President Gore would have mobilized the military and evacuated the city of New Orleans before the hurricane struck. The national guards of LA and MS would have been home prepared to do what they signed up to do - defend their own states - and the people hit by the hurricane would have been helped much sooner.

Total casualties probably would have been reduced by 90% and significant rebuilding would have taken place by now instead of the landgrab and privatization melee that is taking place.

[opihimoimoi]

39. Yup, thats for sure....Gore Listens....Bush Ignores

and Macky is tone deaf too

[Octafish]

26. No $10 trillion national debt...

...the interest of which runs about $400 billion per year.

Crazy monkey doesn't mind because most of his pals in China, Saudi Arabia and Japan collect it.

[opihimoimoi]

31. Yup, and we suffer at their opulence...Damn....Obama gonna change this...I got good feelings on it

[gateley]

41. We'd still be the America we believed in. nt

[dysfunctional press]

42. and in some parallel universe, he is- and we're doing great.

of course in another one he's president and everything is in the shitter.

and in yet another one, george w. bush is a rhodes scholar, master statesman, and chancellor of the americas preparing to deliver a speech at the reichstag, celebrating the 75th year of the third reich, and the nazi world order.

theoretical physics can really SUCK.

[RB TexLa]

43. That made me think of the alternative history story I read once about Gore dying in a plane crash

Gary Condit replacing him as VP and then Clinton being impeached.

[Zywiec]

44. LOL - Thanks Nostradamus n/t

[Canuckistanian]

45. Just imagine no 9/11. No Afghanistan. No Iraq.

The warning would have been heeded.

Colleen Rowley would be a hero.

Sybil Edmonds would have given Senate testimony back in 2002.

The world would have been a safer, saner place.

[BrklynLiberal]

47. Way, way too depressing to consider how much better off this country, Iraq, and the entire planet

would have been. Just too too sad...;(

[opihimoimoi]

69. Indeed....a travesty....our loss....

:sadness:

[Breeze54]

48. 'Dont look back'

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/boston/dont+look+back_20023073.html">BOSTON - DON'T LOOK BACK Lyrics

By the band - 'Boston' - (Scholz)

Boston - Don't Look Back - Live in Concert
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiOqHLVxZvA

Views: 724,137

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Don't look back
A new day is breakin'
It's been too long since I felt this way
I don't mind where I get taken
The road is callin'
Today is the day

I can see
It took so long to realize
I'm much too strong
Not to comprimise
Now I see what I am is holding me down
I'll turn it around

I finally see the dawn arrivin'
I see beyond the road I'm drivin'
Far away and left behind

It's a new horizon and I'm awakin' now
Oh I see myself in a brand new way
The sun is shinin'
the clouds are breakin'
'Canse I can't lose now, there's no game to play

I can tell
There's no more time left to criticize
I've seen what I could not recognize
Everthing in my life was leading me on
but I can be strong

I finally see the dawn arrivin'
I see beyond the road I'm drivin'
Far away and left behind

[BrklynLiberal]

50. Or, as Fleetwood Mac said.....

If you wake up and dont want to smile,
If it takes just a little while,
Open your eyes and look at the day,
Youll see things in a different way.

Dont stop, thinking about tomorrow,
Dont stop, itll soon be here,
Itll be, better than before,
Yesterdays gone, yesterdays gone.

Why not think about times to come,
And not about the things that youve done,
If your life was bad to you,
Just think what tomorrow will do.

Dont stop, thinking about tomorrow,
Dont stop, itll soon be here,
Itll be, better than before,
Yesterdays gone, yesterdays gone.

All I want is to see you smile,
If it takes just a little while,
I know you dont believe that its true,
I never meant any harm to you.

Dont stop, thinking about tomorrow,
Dont stop, itll soon be here,
Itll be, better than before,
Yesterdays gone, yesterdays gone.

Dont you look back,
Dont you look back.

[Breeze54]

52. Another good one and I love Fleetwood Mac!

Thanks! :hi:

[MadrasT]

51. I can't even think about "what if"

It's far too painful to contemplate, when comparing it with what we have actually been forced to endure. :freak:

[MJW]

53. opihi, It makes me sad beyond sadness

to think about Al Gore as president . He was robbed and ridiculed


oh well his NOBEL give him a warm cozy feeling I am sure





i is your old friend Jitterbug in disguise ----Shhhhhhh!!! don't tell >LOL

[opihimoimoi]

61. Hot Damn Jitter...its been so long....all the way back to 02 03? I can't recal

Nobel AND OSCAR too....he makes Bush look like shit

:hi: :toast:

[cascadiance]

54. Though Lieberman becoming president now would SCARE me!

[ColbertWatcher]

71. That's what I was going to say.

As good as things they would have been with a President Gore, his pick for VP would be kinda scary.

[RFKHumphreyObama]

56. We'd all be supporting Joe Loser Boy for the presidency this year

That'd be the only downside and even then I'd take it over this mis-administration

[The Backlash Cometh]

57. Waaaaahhhhh. I'm whining.

[opihimoimoi]

62. Sorry, Whining Classes are at 8:00

:whine:

:toast: :hi: :bounce:

Come, we go drink, eat, laugh, its our turn

[The Backlash Cometh]

80. Yesssss. It's OUR turn now.

We

[Kaleko]

66. LOL. Okay, okay, I'm joining you.... sniff.

[MiniMe]

60. Like this? (video)

http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=politicalhumor&cdn=entertainment&tm=7&gps=26_6_1020_592&f=00&tt=9&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/politics/video/play.shtml%3Fmea%3D229115

[opihimoimoi]

68. SNL....Thank you, hilarious...Gore was outstanding....shoulda woulda coulda

:sniff:

[lonestarnot]

63. I can't.

[Imagevision]

67. WTF was Gore thinking choosing Lieberman as VP. (bazaar, very!)

[opihimoimoi]

70. I had same thoughts....WTF???

Now we know ....maybe it was for the best thing after all.....

[TankLV]

73. You know I've had the same thoughts/wishes for a long time now...

but be careful what you wish for...

Anybody catch a little movie awhile back that postulated what if Kennedy had not been assasinated or if Hitler had been stopped?

The theories postulated in those flights of fancy envisioned that things were even WORSE later on - even WORSE and more brutal people came to power and truly SAVAGED manking...

So maybe bad things need to happen to prevent even WORSE things from coming true...

[opihimoimoi]

75. We think in sim termslllsometimes we should be looking for the larger picture

in doing so, we glimpse the Future.

Come, we go:.....wish.....pray......hope.....wait....no choice....plan....implement start.....adjust....enjoy.....

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

74. Had Gore been permitted to serve as President...

...I think things actually might have gone much worse. This is hard to imagine, I know, but I think the insiders would still have staged 9-11 and made sure Gore didn't survive that day. That would've left us with President Lieberman -- WWIII would already be well underway, Iran probably already nuked.

[opihimoimoi]

76. OK...its a WORSE CASE SENARIO.....tin foil hat 201.08

Look to Advancing ....

:toast:

[Swamp Rat]

77. ... at a luau right now

blue water... big fish... good smoke... cold Mai Tai... warm hula girls... :loveya: :beer: :smoke:

:toast:

[opihimoimoi]

84. Yo there Swampy....awesome wave///is that you in the wash???

:beer: :toast: :bounce: :) :hi: :fish: :poi::beer: :toast: :golf: :bounce: :) :hi: :fish: :poi::beer: :toast: :marlins: :bounce: :) :hi: :fish: :poi:

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78. and every american would be given a pony, and all farts would smell like lilacs...

i love "what if" threads...

[RNdaSilva]

79. Saddam Hussein would probably still be alive...

and under our control, more or less...at least not a threat to the U.S.

There has never been, there will never be, peace in Iraq.

[tjwash]

83. Hussein never was a threat to the US...he was a threat to oil company profits.

nt

[scheming daemons]

81. It's unpopular to say this but.... THANKS A LOT, RALPH!

Dickhead.

[opihimoimoi]

82. In a way, Ralph got BLOOD on his hands too

fuck him