Whistleblower Assists Larisa Alexandrovna Investigation Into GA Diebold Patch (Max Cleland Election)

[Hissyspit]

Here's the thread in Latest Breaking News: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3416547&mesg_id=3416547

Documents show Georgia's Secretary of State knew of Diebold patch
Larisa Alexandrovna
Published: Wednesday July 30, 2008

Georgia complained to Diebold about patch after election

On Dec. 3, 2002, Georgia Secretary of State Cathy Cox’s office faxed documents to the then-president of Diebold Election Systems Bob Urosevich listing a series of issues that occurred shortly before the November 2002 election.

Documents provided to RAW STORY by a whistleblower close to Cox’s office show that one of the key problems Georgia officials were trying to resolve was related to an unauthorized patch installed on machines prior to the election.

In one document, Cox’s office asked Urosevich for confirmation that a “0808 patch was applied to all systems; confirmation that the patch was not grounds for requiring the system to be recertified at national and state level; as well as verifiable analysis of the overall impact of the patch to the voting system” (See attached pdf, p. 3) Cox didn’t know prior to the election that a patch had been installed, the source said. Cox, who is now president of Young Harris College in Georgia, returned phone calls but could not be reached for comment by press time.

“People working for Diebold were told to keep this quiet so Cox would not find out,” the whistleblower said. “They knew she was in over her head and had come to completely rely on Diebold. They controlled the warehouse, the machines, and the certification. There were no state employees.”

- snip -

According to this individual, this was the patch that he then passed on to cyber-security expert Stephen Spoonamore. Spoonamore, a highly regarded computer security specialist who has worked for US government agencies, has since come forward claiming that he took the Diebold patch to the Department of Justice -- specifically to the Cyber-Security/Cyber-Crime unit of the Computer and Intellectual Property Section -- after it was brought to his attention.

Calls to the Department of Justice seeking confirmation that Spoonamore had delivered the Diebold patch were not returned.

Initially, the whistleblower said, there were no concerns or questions regarding the $54 million contract, for which Diebold beat out eight other firms, to install a statewide electronic voting system. It was only after certain “red flag” events occurred that people inside the Secretary of State’s office, as well as Diebold employees, began to have suspicions, he added.

What initially raised questions, according to the source, was the behavior of then-Diebold CEO, Bob Urosevich, who personally flew in from Texas and applied the patch in just two counties, DeKalb and Fulton, both Democratic strongholds.

Another flag went up, this person added, when it became apparent that the patch installed by Urosevich had failed to fix a problem with the computer clock -- which employees from Diebold and the Georgia Secretary of State’s office had been told the patch was designed specifically to address.

- snip -

Questions raised about race and Diebold terminals

During the period between the election and the faxing of the documents to Diebold by Cox's office on December 3, critics of electronic voting had begun to raise questions about the Georgia race.

Incumbent Democratic Sen. Max Cleland, who was five percentage points ahead of Republican challenger Saxby Chambliss in polls taken only a week before the voting, lost 53 percent to 46 percent. Roy Barnes, the incumbent Democratic Governor, who had been leading challenger Sonny Perdue by a fairly wide margin of eleven points, lost 51 percent to 46 percent.

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[Trajan]

1. I remember when Bev posted the URL of that data here ...

Hmmm ... what was the name of the patch ? .... It's been a while ...

[lala_rawraw]

8. see my comment below...

the whistle-blower does not know, only Urosevich (and if allegations are true, DOJ) what the patch that he installed was in the end.

[ladjf]

14. and possibly a programmer or two in his company that created

the patch. It's unlike that the CEO wrote it himself.

[lala_rawraw]

19. no, i don't think anyone said he did...

the allegation as far as I was told and verified is that he flew in - which is unheard of given his position - to install the patchs... we don't know who wrote them, but what we now know is the number of the patch in question 0808

[TroglodyteScholar]

16. rob-georgia

Or something to that effect.

[alstephenson]

2. Please, folks, we can't let them steal another one!

These funky polls showing a "neck to neck" race between McSame and Obama are setting us up big time.

[lonestarnot]

4. Can they steal a landslide?

I guess they can. sigh.

[dflprincess]

18. As long as they can depend on the Democrats not doing

or even saying anything about it.

[drm604]

48. I actually think that they're desperate enough to try.

Under normal circumstances they might not be willing to try to upset a landslide, it would be too obvious. But given the stakes - possible criminal prosecutions if they lose - they may be willing to take just about any risk to keep a Republican in the White House.

They've worked too hard for too many decades to give it all up now. At this point I think that they're willing to go for broke.

[helderheid]

47. What you said!!!!

[MetaTrope]

50. Is any independent polling being conducted

Surely there must be some academic researchers conducting their own surveys?

[deadmessengers]

3. Wait a minute...

since when does a CEO fly in to apply patches? That's just bizarre.

[lala_rawraw]

7. exactly

[Jazzgirl]

13. Lala, didn't he also fly to Ohio and do the same thing?

n/t

[lala_rawraw]

22. The stuff I covered in OH

were the stickers on the ballots placed over Kerry/Edwards bubble in Clermont. I don't know about the other stuff. That said, I have been told and I have read some vague references, but do not yet know for sure that Urosevich appears to have done this dance in Maryland and Alabama. Again, I don't know this for sure, but as to Ohio, I honestly don't know at all. Boy, would be nice if there were more journalists on this, no?

[Kansas Wyatt]

25. Journalists nowadays are too busy belching out corporate gas.

They must feel proud about being an anus for Corporate Media.

[L. Coyote]

37. Georgia 2002 was 100% Diebold, Ohio 2004 was 75% punch cards

When OH switched to Diebold, the state swung back to the Dems!! Ironic.

[TheWraith]

15. Maybe, maybe not. In a lot of small technology companies the CEO is also the boss engineer.

I don't know how big Diebold Election Systems is/was, but it's not unheard of for upper level company guys to deal personally with technical issues if they're among the people who created the systems. Not defending Diebold, but just saying it's not quite as unusual as all that.

[lala_rawraw]

23. the company is not that small

it is part of a bigger company called Diebold, Diebold elections is smaller, but they are not that small if you consider the amount of work they had to do in each state they were contracted in.

[tkmorris]

5. Ahh, the RobGA patch.

That is the one isn't it?

On edit: Perhaps there are a few things I should not admit to on a public forum.

[lala_rawraw]

6. we don't know if that

is the patch that Urosevich installed. no one but he knows... all we have is the patch number, 0808

[Trajan]

9. Ah yes .... That was the one ....

Though, just as you said, it must have been something I read from someone else, since I wouldn't personally visit any old website linked by somebody somewhere ...

It is so long ago, my memory is hazy ..... They said there were LOTS of files on a Diebold website, just sitting there for the downloading ... some files like that, named 'RobGA' ... just sitting there, available for someone to open and analyze ....

But hey .... I just read about it .....

RobGA ... that was merely one .....

[lala_rawraw]

20. right... it is important

not to jump to conclusions as we do not know if what they call patch 0808 is what is publicly known as patch RobGA. we also do not know if the CEO had a whole other patch that was supposed to fix the clock as well (cover story). but if RobGA had been installed prior, then why did he - ceo - need to fly in? so at this point I think we should just stick to calling the patch taken by whistleblower and handed off to Spoonamore, who then took it to DOJ as patch 0808

[L. Coyote]

38. The stuff in plain view on the Dieold website may be less than trustworthy

since they placed it in plain view for everyone and anyone to see!!

There could be some cover-up at work. This needs inquiry before any conclusions are drawn.

Does Google crawl FTP folders?

[lala_rawraw]

42. that is an excellent point...

i had not thought of that. interesting

[L. Coyote]

46. It would explain why they named the file "Rob Georgia" eh!

There are a lot of Republicans showing up for the election fraud party all of a sudden.

Are they at this circus to make more smoke, to distract
the crowd from the unseen hand at the magic box show?

Small coincidence?
A major motion picture on 2004 election fraud premieres in NYC tomorrow!!

Stealing America: Vote By Vote
(Selected scenes)
www.stealingamericathemovie.org/

[Norrin Radd]

10. kr

[notadmblnd]

11. here's a post form 2003

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x835562

[Trajan]

12. Thanks ....

I have lost all my 2002 bookmarks ...

I am guessing everyone did .... damn .... some goodies there ....

Stephanie's PNAC thread comes to mind .....

[lala_rawraw]

21. okay, one more time and for good measure...

we do not know if RobGA is patch 0808. the latter is the patch we know has taken by source to GOP expert Spoonamore who in turn took it to DOJ. we don't know if 0808 is RobGA, and confusing the two is going to hijack the conversation and make it seem that RobGA is in fact 0808. We do not know this, so please don't confuse the information.

[Trajan]

24. LMFAO ...

OK ... I think it is clear ....

There is no direct correlation between a file named '0808' and 'Rob-Georgia' or 'RobGA' ...

That is absolutely, definitely and completely clear ....

Thanks ....

[lala_rawraw]

26. why is this funny?

I am trying to make clear that for the sake of determining chain of custody, we can ONLY say for sure that patch 0808 was the item delivered from source to Spoonamore to DOJ. You may speculate Is this or IS this not RobGA patch, but please be clear that you are not saying it is or claiming it is. Because what I have found is that whenever there is any credible evidence relating to this topic, people seem to have an interest in confusing things. I am not saying you are, but I have seen this enough to know that such tactics or errors should be corrected right away so that they are not used to confuse the conversation overall. If that is funny to you, great, glad I made your day

[King Coal]

27. It is not funny, Lala. Thank you for your work.

[lala_rawraw]

28. :)

thank you kind sir

[Trajan]

29. It is 'funny' because ....

You have planted posts throughout this thread about how THIS file is not THAT file ...

Yes ... we get it ...

You have made it abundantly clear ...

More than abundantly clear ....

THAT is why it is funny ... because here you are, doing it again ....

Now .... Let's make this clear : I COMPLETELY agree with you ... I agree with what you are doing ...

Chain of Custody is something that was discussed in 2002, WITH she who will not be named ....

I discussed it with her, AND others .... at that very moment : That was the problem .. there was (and is) no accounting of WHAT is being loaded into voting machines ....

We bring up 'Rob Georgia' only because of it's relationship to the election event, in it's time and locale, NOT to confuse others that '0808' is EXACTLY the same file as 'Rob-Georgia' ... in fact: There is no direct implication by me or anyone else here that this is so ....

So ... please .. by all means ... continue your quest to reveal the truth ... I am behind you ONE HUNDRED PERCENT !

But .. I swear: If you again say we are confusing the two different files; I am going to bust a fucking gut in outright hilarity ....

[lala_rawraw]

32. So when TKmorris says

"Ahh the Rob Georgia patch...
"that is the one isn't it?"

and you say "that's the one" you are saying that you are only bringing it up in "relation to the election event?"

interesting. i must have a comprehension problem because the "is this" and "yes it is" sure sounds a great deal like this=that. you are right, it is funny, that is to say, your argument and the fact that we can scroll up and see what you said in this thread as well as the other thread about this story. very funny indeed actually

[Trajan]

36. We were referring to files that were displayed THEN....

NOT that which were revealed TODAY .....

PLEASE re-read ..... Twas Rob-Georgia that was discovered THEN ..... in 2002 ....

Hey .. Maybe I am plumb fucking nuts and have no idea WTF I am talking about ....

Shrugs .....

[L. Coyote]

39. For years and years now smoke screens have been laid down

and it is important to be very critical of any information.
Even leading activists can be misled by all he disinformation and misdirection.

I would not even trust that the patch delivered from source to Spoonamore to DOJ is in fact "the patch" that went onto the computers unless there was evidence to back it up. What better way to cover up the crime than to misinform about the patch?

What we know boils down to this:

Only the two counties with over 50% of the Georgia Dem votes got this one illegal patch just before the 2002 vote.

I believe you can watch the informant relate this info on the BIG SCREEN tomorrow in NYC, when Stealing America premieres!!

[tkmorris]

31. Sorry about that lala

I fear I introduced that little assumption into the conversation. It was not my intention to do that.

[lala_rawraw]

33. not your fault...

you were asking a question:)

[ihavenobias]

17. K & R

[Hekate]

30. Kick

:kick:

[FourScore]

34. Anyone know the outcome of the DeKalb and Fulton County elections

after the patch was installed that year?

And is Cox a republican?

[L. Coyote]

40. Here they are. Note how many counties there are

UNITED STATES SENATOR

100 % of precincts reporting
PR=Precincts Reporting
TP=Total Precincts

                         CLELAND  CHAMBLISS     THOMAS 
                             (D)        (R)      (Lib) 
                         931,857  1,071,153     26,981 
                            45.9%      52.8%       1.3%
County         PR  TP 
APPLING        19  19      1,699      2,793         58 
ATKINSON        6   6        565        982         29 
BACON           7   7        920      1,536         22 
BAKER           7   7        630        414         10 
BALDWIN        16  16      4,958      4,556         91 
BANKS          15  15      1,268      2,232         52 
BARROW         15  15      3,220      6,287        185 
BARTOW         17  17      6,784     11,012        343 
BEN HILL        6   6      1,858      1,803         50 
BERRIEN        11  11      1,574      1,976         57 
BIBB           52  52     20,356     19,151        288 
BLECKLEY        3   3      1,139      2,125         32 
BRANTLEY       11  11      1,147      2,087         62 
BROOKS         11  11      1,506      1,403         43 
BRYAN          11  11      2,013      3,611         65 
BULLOCH        16  16      5,052      6,881        110 
BURKE          17  17      3,014      2,576         67 
BUTTS          12  12      2,011      2,705         51 
CALHOUN         7   7        919        538          9 
CAMDEN         14  14      3,258      4,069        127 
CANDLER         4   4        918      1,067         31 
CARROLL        32  32      8,031     12,426        328 
CATOOSA        14  14      4,518      7,460        165 
CHARLTON       10  10        617      1,143         17 
CHATHAM       110 110     30,840     27,927        547 
CHATTAHOOCHEE   3   3        383        291         13 
CHATTOOGA      15  15      2,161      2,277         68 
CHEROKEE       46  46     10,828     30,211        699 
CLARKE         24  24     12,809      8,638        359 
CLAY            7   7        611        268         14 
CLAYTON        52  52     30,760     12,635        656 
CLINCH          9   9        510        733         12 
COBB          180 180     69,082    105,750      2,791 
COFFEE          8   8      3,098      4,661         94 
COLQUITT       21  21      2,844      5,146         74 
COLUMBIA       39  39      8,333     20,015        235 
COOK           10  10      1,418      1,557         28 
COWETA         30  30      8,067     16,665        306 
CRAWFORD        8   8      1,186      1,690         26 
CRISP           8   8      2,044      2,576         50 
DADE            9   9      1,253      1,952         54 
DAWSON         10  10      1,349      3,595        111 
DECATUR        16  16      2,777      2,627         78 
DEKALB        186 186    123,747     44,759      2,339 
DODGE          18  18      1,826      2,742         53 
DOOLY           8   8      1,407      1,324         28 
DOUGHERTY      33  33     14,066      8,834        142 
DOUGLAS        20  20      9,306     13,536        331 
EARLY          13  13      1,400      1,226         26 
ECHOLS          3   3        251        337          7 
EFFINGHAM      20  20      3,945      7,162        133 
ELBERT         13  13      2,460      2,191         62 
EMANUEL        16  16      2,256      2,547         59 
EVANS          12  12      1,109      1,209         33 
FANNIN         13  13      2,576      4,052        134 
FAYETTE        38  38     11,364     22,092        396 
FLOYD          27  27      9,379     11,824        336 
FORSYTH        29  29      6,976     25,336        500 
FRANKLIN       15  15      2,163      2,431         70 
FULTON        330 330    117,859     81,441      2,513 
GILMER         15  15      2,056      3,869        100 
GLASCOCK        6   6        231        426          5 
GLYNN          34  34      6,294     10,720        180 
GORDON         16  16      3,810      5,845        156 
GRADY          15  15      2,812      2,170         42 
GREENE         10  10      1,990      2,559         40 
GWINNETT      139 139     49,093     91,604      2,479 
HABERSHAM      16  16      2,719      5,342        119 
HALL           40  40      8,859     21,029        415 
HANCOCK         9   9      1,714        481         33 
HARALSON       15  15      3,001      4,055        131 
HARRIS         14  14      2,715      4,050         84 
HART            9   9      3,269      2,841         86 
HEARD          11  11      1,161      1,291         53 
HENRY          25  25     12,440     21,552        518 
HOUSTON        30  30     10,856     19,109        257 
IRWIN          12  12      1,157      1,409         36 
JACKSON        16  16      2,939      6,026        132 
JASPER          9   9      1,279      1,754         42 
JEFF DAVIS     11  11      1,234      2,099         53 
JEFFERSON      10  10      2,526      1,786         34 
JENKINS         7   7      1,032      1,052         28 
JOHNSON        14  14        836      1,318         20 
JONES          11  11      2,794      3,914         68 
LAMAR           8   8      1,989      2,309         59 
LANIER          5   5        606        723         23 
LAURENS        23  23      4,821      6,643        114 
LEE            12  12      1,982      4,281         56 
LIBERTY        15  15      4,442      2,813         80 
LINCOLN         8   8      1,054      1,178         30 
LONG            7   7        831        823         22 
LOWNDES        34  34      8,194      9,992        185 
LUMPKIN        17  17      1,798      3,254        103 
MACON           7   7      2,251      1,293         41 
MADISON        14  14      2,012      3,950         95 
MARION          9   9      1,022        850         30 
MCDUFFIE       12  12      1,965      2,529         50 
MCINTOSH        9   9      1,934      1,305         53 
MERIWETHER     16  16      3,037      2,306         77 
MILLER          3   3        627        744         23 
MITCHELL       13  13      2,727      2,086         43 
MONROE         16  16      2,663      4,083         71 
MONTGOMERY      9   9        820      1,265         18 
MORGAN         12  12      1,921      2,839         65 
MURRAY          9   9      2,449      3,689        134 
MUSCOGEE       50  50     21,581     15,269        351 
NEWTON         22  22      6,454      8,937        229 
OCONEE         16  16      3,418      6,821        145 
OGLETHORPE     12  12      1,381      1,954         60 
PAULDING       23  23      6,372     13,890        311 
PEACH           9   9      2,734      2,878         54 
PICKENS        14  14      2,095      4,196         88 
PIERCE         10  10      1,091      2,945         31 
PIKE           10  10      1,419      2,686         43 
POLK           13  13      3,954      4,526        151 
PULASKI         8   8      1,011      1,439         19 
PUTNAM          8   8      2,137      2,981         58 
QUITMAN         4   4        374        182          9 
RABUN          11  11      1,992      2,468         80 
RANDOLPH       11  11      1,397        710         24 
RICHMOND       73  73     27,929     19,275        505 
ROCKDALE       18  18      7,690     11,422        314 
SCHLEY          3   3        368        567          9 
SCREVEN        15  15      2,035      1,905         49 
SEMINOLE        7   7      1,083        900         25 
SPALDING       19  19      5,203      7,356        150 
STEPHENS       10  10      2,419      3,451         86 
STEWART         6   6        816        370         20 
SUMTER         11  11      3,972      3,453         72 
TALBOT         10  10      1,394        598         30 
TALIAFERRO      4   4        363        182         10 
TATTNALL       17  17      2,051      2,482         56 
TAYLOR          8   8      1,174      1,118          9 
TELFAIR         8   8      1,321      1,368         30 
TERRELL         8   8      1,517      1,135         27 
THOMAS         22  22      4,715      5,017        104 
TIFT           14  14      2,898      4,802         69 
TOOMBS         16  16      2,262      3,865         69 
TOWNS           6   6      1,335      1,880         38 
TREUTLEN        8   8        726        842         15 
TROUP          18  18      5,295      7,369        126 
TURNER          5   5        958        996         13 
TWIGGS         12  12      1,640      1,279         43 
UNION          13  13      2,183      3,327         95 
UPSON          12  12      2,848      3,838         77 
WALKER         20  20      5,072      7,527        195 
WALTON         21  21      4,992     10,672        249 
WARE           13  13      2,505      4,939         62 
WARREN          8   8        925        681         21 
WASHINGTON     10  10      2,776      2,339         56 
WAYNE          17  17      2,750      3,583         69 
WEBSTER         6   6        444        289          7 
WHEELER         5   5        608        746          8 
WHITE          13  13      2,104      3,821         72 
WHITFIELD      25  25      5,467     10,696        239 
WILCOX          8   8        875      1,121         15 
WILKES          9   9      1,715      1,527         42 
WILKINSON      11  11      1,633      1,279         34 
WORTH          18  18      2,006      2,908         66 

[Ellipsis]

35. K&R

[Hawkowl]

41. OBAMA IS GOING TO LOSE

And the blame will lie with traitors like Pelosi who refuse to confront and convict felons like Rove. These thefts will continue because there is never any repercussions to the perpetrators. We no longer live in a democracy.

[flamingdem]

43. OBAMA IS GOING TO WIN BECAUSE WE WILL MAKE SURE IT IS A LANDSLIDE n/t

[Bozita]

44. kick

I did the "R" last night.

[flamingdem]

45. Bozita, what's the "R"? Why not the "D"? n/t

[Bozita]

49. The "R" is from "K&R" ... I recommended this thread last night without posting a comment.

Sometimes I confuse myself too.