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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:16 AM Original message |
Ford to retool U.S. plants for European cars |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
1. This could be a good thing? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. It would be nice, wouldn't it! |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
2. Some pictures and specs |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
22. I could smack Ford. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Me too, GM is doing the same thing, they think we are idiots |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
26. does ford offer a convertible in the american market...? |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
35. Ford has made some very nice cars in Europe over the years |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #35 |
61. Yes that has beautiful lines n/t |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #35 |
68. At least it's not a Bubble-Butt |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #35 |
109. reminds me of a Karman Ghia |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. It's larger |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #2 |
58. Love that Focus coupe'! |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #58 |
70. It is the prettiest thing on the page save the GT. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #70 |
117. I agree. n/t |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #2 |
66. Awww... crap. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
88. The 4x4 Diesel Powered Kuga SUV gets 44.1 MPG |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. The mileage in US MPG isn't quite as spectacular |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #88 |
122. The SUV is a dying breed |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
4. I never understood why Ford's European line isn't for sale here |
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Mr. Blonde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I would bet the margins on those are pretty small |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Because you can really only have one small car... |
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TheMightyFavog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. About the Contour... |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Yes. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. That's what I believe it was. The Mondeo platform. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #30 |
72. Funny, the guys on Top Gear LOVED it |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #72 |
93. The 2007 Mondeo is on a brand new platform |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 05:58 AM Response to Reply #72 |
132. and they H A T E american made cars |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #12 |
59. They won't sell many SUVs so long as the gas price stays up, |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
89. They were selling millions of the giant SUV's and |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
5. Hope this encourages a Vauxhall invasion from GM, too. |
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dbt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Wouldn't THAT be a hoot! |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. And just LOOK at this |
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dbt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. That's what I'm talkin' ABOUT! |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
82. Why stop at GM? |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #10 |
73. I see it... and it's ugly |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #9 |
60. The automakers aren't the ones buying vehicles. We all do. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
6. Ford, don't stop with Europe. |
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TheMightyFavog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. That reminds me of the El Camino or a Ranchero. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. The Ute preceeded the Ranchero by about five years. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
74. That's because that's basically what it is. |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
8. They do this or face elimination. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
13. to expensive to make in europe and sell here |
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peanut2010 (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
14. I personnaly like the Falcon built in Australia |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
15. Screw ford and the other big two |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Deleted sub-thread |
Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. Lets screw Ford |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. My thread in response to this was deleted |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 06:56 AM Response to Reply #38 |
49. Your are correct on all accounts |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
84. That may be true . |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 06:57 AM Response to Reply #31 |
50. Some people think their dream of a compliant society where THEY |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #50 |
69. People can still buy cars when there is the public transport option |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
94. Classic overreaction from Mr. GM |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
33. America needs a revitalized auto industry. It's a huge part of our economy and way of life. |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. If ford built these cars and sold them in the UK then |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I agree with you and concur that the American division of Ford, GM, etc., seems mindless at times... |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Show me the silver lining ,Please |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Again I agree with you. This country needs a massive infusion of realism and mass-transit. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #15 |
75. No they didn't. |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #75 |
104. how do you arrive at this conclusion? |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #104 |
114. Nobody MADE people buy SUVs, dude. |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #114 |
119. I did'nt say people were forced to by SUV's |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Ah, jeez. |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. If you think you all the answers , lets hear them. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #120 |
127. No, America wanted SUVs because automakers needed something to replace CAFE banned station wagons |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
19. It's ALWAYS the anti-Union pretenders who are against any progress |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
105. What would you know about it ? |
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JustAnotherGen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
21. Oh please |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. The Smart is already here. There's one in my neighborhood. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 07:51 AM Response to Reply #28 |
53. Smart is rubbish... Very poor economy for the size |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #53 |
71. From the FAQ... |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. The new Chevy Cruze coming in 2009 will get 42+ MPG highway |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #76 |
92. Cars that are "coming soon" always get better mileage than cars that are actually available. (NT) |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. Then go buy one that's available. Don't grind my nuts. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. I'm sorry -- I thought you *STARTED THIS THREAD* because you wanted discussion. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. (sigh) goodbye, you hate domestics and Union workers anyway |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Nope, don't hate union workes. 'Stood with a great bunch of UAW men and women... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. What are they doing selling cars in the UK then? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Another X |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 05:44 AM Response to Reply #108 |
131. But can you "ignore" reality, just by clicking on a check-box? |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #71 |
77. 33/41 is pretty good, but I'm a little disappointed |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #77 |
95. Sorry about the lousy formatting, but Smart wins (and by quite a bit) |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. I'm pretty familiar with the little-car stats |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #71 |
85. The Smart got an unfavorable review in Consumer Reports |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #85 |
96. Actual EPA numbers are posted in my reply just above. I wouldn't call then "similar". |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #96 |
126. Smart 33/41; Fit 33/38; Yaris 34/40 (you said these aren't similar?) |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 05:39 AM Response to Reply #126 |
130. Here are the numbers I posted for the FIT; what's your source for 33/38? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 07:52 AM Response to Reply #130 |
134. Consumer Reports lists the EPA mileage figures |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 08:08 AM Response to Reply #134 |
135. CR probably had the older, higher "2007 method" numbers. (NT) |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 08:11 AM Response to Reply #135 |
136. that's what i thought |
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lutefisk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
23. Will cars be built here and shipped overseas? |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
27. perhaps you would like a copy of the PM you sent for all to see who you really are? |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
29. The Mondeo's a GREAT car! It's G-damned about time! |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Used to be sold here as the Contour. |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. The contour was the POS of all time crap. |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. The Mondeo's I've driven recently are fine vehicles. |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. they are not the same car . |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. " bringing over European models, including the mid-size Mondeo" |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. no i have'nt . To be honest I really have no interest in cars |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 07:49 AM Response to Reply #36 |
52. Mondeo is NOT a Contour- the new ones are completely different |
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FunkyLeprechaun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 08:45 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. The Taurus is similar to the Mondeo |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #54 |
64. The Brits had a one-size up car that was a rear-driver, unlike the Taurus... |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #52 |
63. You're saying the old Contour wasn't the similar-vintage Mondial of the 90s? |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
86. I had a '98 1/2 Contour and loved it! Wish I had gotten the manual |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 06:44 AM Response to Reply #86 |
133. Oy, the Focus. Ford, WTF are you thinking? |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
32. DainBramaged |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
34. when in europe i've always been impressed by the better feel of the european ford |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
37. Can we have the Ka? Pretty please? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 08:37 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. KAKA KAKA KAKA |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
51. Mondeo is better than what Toyota is making this days... what shocks me is how long it took them |
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FunkyLeprechaun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
55. What about Fiat in the US? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Fiat never succeeded here, bad service reputation |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #56 |
65. The Fiats had a reputation of poor functioning in cold climates. |
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lutefisk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #65 |
112. The metal on the body would rust to bits from moisture and road salt. Great cars to drive, though. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #112 |
118. Had they caught on in Michigan (ha-ha), they would have brought |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
110. My son bought a Fiat recently.. a 1973 convertible |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #110 |
124. Those are nice |
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B3Nut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
57. It's about damned time. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #57 |
67. The new Saturn is hot! |
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B3Nut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #67 |
79. Oh yeah baby! |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
62. Wouldn't it be better to just import them? |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #62 |
78. Wow... way to shit on American workers. |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. How come every time a car design is modified here |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #80 |
128. "Time to retrain the workers to do something that doesn't destroy the earth" |
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lutefisk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Isn't it shitting on the executives/decision makers, not the workers? |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Exactly! Unless we can decapitate the management |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. That is the norm here, and why I put so many people on ignore |
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Real_Talk (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. quick question for you |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #91 |
97. You answered your own question: "built in the US with US components" |
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sentelle (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #97 |
115. as are american cars |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. Te workers earn less in wages and benefits than UAW workers, the profits go back to japan |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #98 |
111. Minor quibble but... |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #111 |
121. Not only that, but I would suspect |
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Real_Talk (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 12:58 AM Response to Reply #98 |
138. Are the content lables false? |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #62 |
116. Umm, who is going to be able to afford to purchase one if the jobs are overseas? |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
106. Early 70's Cadilac was including a Honda free with every purcase. |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
125. I plan on buying the new Ford Verve. |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
129. How about a gubmint subsidy for any commuter car built in this country that gets over 40mpg |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
137. GM is not resting either. |
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