Savage on autism: "A fraud, a racket. ... In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been

[ourbluenation]

told to cut the act out"

Summary: On his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage claimed that autism is " fraud, a racket. ... I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.' "

http://mediamatters.org/items/200807170005?f=h_top

This piece of shit is syndicated by Talk Radio Network.

Here's there contact page. Lets blow up their inbox.

http://www.talkradionetwork.com/corporatecontacts

i'm so mad I could spit.

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[NC_Nurse]

2. Oh. My. God.

Words fail.

[Two Truck]

9. why?

Thousands of people claim to be suffering from all sorts of illneses because they "read it on the Internet, it must be true".
Every case of diarhea is food poisoning.
Every sneeze an allergy.
Every hyper kid is ADD, Autistic, etc.

And while I don't agree with his numbers and think he's exaggerating, he isn't totally wrong.
Lay off the Monster drinks! There is so much caffine consumed these days it's a wonder we all don't just explode. (just as I finish my mocha w/extra shot, I'm such a hypocrite! :))

[NC_Nurse]

19. Because I have two member of my family on the Autistic spectrum. They are

both DIAGNOSED, and I have never met anyone who said that they were autistic/Asperger's with no diagnosis.

If you had any clue what a slap in the face his comments are. You would be speechless too.

[PA Democrat]

29. Agree 100%. I never have either. I have a child with autism. It's pretty obvious that there is

something DRASTIC going on with a child with autism. For us, our child at the age of three had the expressive and receptive communication skills of an infant. She didn't point, didn't play with toys, other than to line them up, didn't respond to her own name, didn't play at ALL with other children, and became highly agitated when in new environments or with ANY change to her routine.

Despite all of that I would have sold my soul to the devil to avoid the diagnosis of autism. I don't know of anyone who has self-diagnosed, or any parent who has diagnosed their child without professional involvement and I know hundreds of people with autism or with a family member with autism.

[mmonk]

38. How about say cerebral palsy?

Would you say the same thing concerning it? Tell me how people claim they are autistic. Tell me for what end.

[Cronopio]

39. If they don't have a note from their doctor, they *must* be faking it.

According to Dumbass Savage and certain posters on this topic.

[mmonk]

40. Yep. And I'm trying to figure out the so called benefit of claiming

to be autistic. Is it a benefit to be discriminated against in education, jobs, health insurance, etc.?

[Cronopio]

42. It's related to the belief that most welfare moms drive Caddies.

Autistic people have it so bad that they *have* to be scheming to get their payoff from the system. Some people can't understand any other motivation.

But I could be giving Savage and DS1 too much credit. They may perfectly understand that autistic people are suffering, but the payoff from being able to look down on someone else is far more important to them than acknowledging the dignity of an undiagnosed autistic human being. Makes them feel slightly less crapped on in their own sad little wanker lives.

[Hamlette]

87. Two Truck, you should turn in one of those trucks and buy a clue

we're talking autism here, not ADD or a sneeze.

I know people who blame ADD or ADHD for bad behavior in kids but not autism. It is an easily diagnosed condition that appears very early, usually before the 2nd year.

Savage is an idiot who has no experience with responsible adults who are coping with this.

As you mention, it is you who should "lay off the Monster drinks".

[gratuitous]

3. Sometimes words just aren't enough

The friendly application of a 2x4 to a cranium seems like it would be so much more eloquent.

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[wvbygod]

33. undiagnosed violent reactions

These cases concern me more than closet case anti-social kids.

[HughMoran]

59. I had the same thought

I wouldn't hesitate to go to prison if I could get at him.

[Ian David]

4. Once again making the point that Liberals speak Truth to Power, Conservatives Ridicule the Powerless

NOW will they fire the asshole???

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

92. That is perhaps the signal distinction between liberals

and ReichWingers, and the most important one. Real conservatives don't pick on the powerless, but real conservatism died with Barry Goldwater.

[LynnTheDem]

5. More amazing ideas brought to you by the compassionate conservative.

Truly amazing.

[Ilsa]

6. RW Radio Talk Show Hosts: Frauds, Liars, & Hatemongerers, Devoid of Compassion.

There people don't like having their heartstrings tugged on. They don't want to go through the difficulties of realizing that others are out there hurting. They don't want to be inconvenienced by the disabled. Totally selfish asshole. Typical Repuke.

[ourbluenation]

8. In the same show he also said minorities fake asthma to get more welfare bene's

I literally can't come up with the words to respond to this.

[irislake]

10. Big Pharma

will soon tell him to shut up about that. They make a killing on treating autism. So called.

[Ilsa]

12. My child is autistic. I fought for years AGAINST medicating my child,

as most parents do. We don't want to blow thousands of dollars on drugs. But with the right diagnosis and the right meds, the meds work. If the child isn't autistic, the meds won't help.

[Thirtieschild]

41. Are there meds for children with Asperger's?

My grandson was diagnosed as being "on the Autistic Syndrome," most likely Asperger's - I say most likely Asperger's because he has the makings of a brilliant scientist if he survives emotionally. (He lives in England, the diagnosis was made by four specialists working together.) His treatment comes from an Occupational Therapist who comes to the school once a week to work with him.

My guess is that our 50-year-old son also has Asperger's, but the very idea is anathema to him. No way will he consider it, much less claim it, even though he needs help.

[Ilsa]

49. I think it depends on whether there are symptoms of

something going on in the brain with serotonin or dopamine. Sometimes those symptoms might manifest as OCD, anxiety, unprovoked aggression, etc, and sometimes those things are treatable with certain meds.

My oldest takes a med for ADHD and an antipsychotic med for aggression. They both help. Alot.

ITA about owning up to it. Most people would not want to.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

64. As Ilsa said, it depends.

Meds can treat some symptoms, but they cannot change the architecture of a brain that is on the autistic spectrum. Anti-depressants treat that condition in me, but they don't and can't do anything to change my underlying Asperger's character. I have an autistic brain that thinks autistic thoughts and lives within itself. That I simply have to live with.

Too bad about your son. I was DXd in my late 40s and it was an enormous relief. For the first time in my life I stopped beating myself up for "not getting" normals. The bigger problem, as my own therapists have told me, is that there is essentially no help for adult Aspies. Therapies are all focused on kids.

[Leftist Agitator]

93. As an adult who was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, I can tell you...

My parents tried EVERYTHING in order to get me to be "normal". Mind you, when I was young, there was no such thing as "Asperger's syndrome". I was diagnosed as ADD, Chronic Depressive, Manic Depressive, etc.

I was put on Prozac (and every other SSRI then-extant, Ritalin, Valium (and other benzodiazepines), etc. Hours and hours and hours of counseling (what a waste!), and so on and so forth.

NONE of it worked.

Honestly, I didn't find relief until I entered high school, and started drinking and smoking pot, which made me more aware of social nicities, and offered me a venue in which even my inappropriate attempts at social interaction were met with approval by my intoxiated peers. And then I tried hallucinogens which, in my opinion, made me into an entirely different (and less 'autistic') person.

I certainly wouldn't recommend this course of action to anyone, least of all someone with Asperger's or another PDD (Pervasive Developmental Disorder). But it worked for me!

I'm about to finish a Masters in history, and plan to continue my education and earn a doctoral degree. I have a boyfriend of going on two years who I just may marry if he wants to follow me wherever I end up.

Long story short, there IS hope for your grandson to grow up and lead a normal, happy life.

P.S. I attribute the changes in my personality and habits to my drug use, but maybe it was just a byproduct of the natural process of maturation. Who knows? But in either case, a diagnosis of Asperger's syndrome is by no means a terminal sentence to a life of ostracization and misery.

[Ilsa]

14. If the child isn't autistic, the meds won't help. nt

[LeftishBrit]

45. No, they do not

There are no 'pharma' treatments for autism as such. All specific treatments for autism are behavioural. Autism may sometimes be combined with other conditions that do receive drug treatments (e.g. many autistic individuals are hyperactive; many have epilepsy); but there *is* no drug for autism.

[Wednesdays]

91. "So called"...?

So, to you there's no such thing as autism?

[midnight]

11. To have a medical condition of any kind, puts one in a high

risk category for critisism or worse. Many years ago, when my mom was in nursing school, and doing her clinicals, it was taught that Autism was because of "bad parenting". Can you imagine the grief that knowledge caused? I think "that parenting" was gender specific too. I believe Medical experts were indicating it was the "moms fault".

[Ilsa]

13. I hope Bruno Bettelheim is eating his tongue and brain in hell. nt

[PA Democrat]

31. I read a book about Bruno Bettelheim several years ago written by the sibling of

a child with autism who was "treated" by Bettelheim. Bettelheim's theory was that autism was the result of "refrigerator mothers". It was not until the 1970's that this theory fell out of favor with the medical and psychiatric communities.

The book broke my heart because the sibling with autism died in a tragic accident and Bettelheim not only blamed the dead child's autism on the mother but also his death, which he claimed was a suicide.


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[GOPNotForMe]

15. And where did this jackass get his MD? What's that you say? He has none?

Then he needs to STFU. Ugh he's such a FOOL.

[Ian David]

16. From Wikipedia

On a July 16 edition of his radio show, Michael Savage commented that "in 99 percent of the cases, it’s a brat who hasn’t been told to cut the act out." He went on to say

"That’s what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they’re silent? They don’t have a father around to tell them, ‘Don’t act like a moron. You’ll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don’t sit there crying and screaming, idiot.’"

Savage concluded, “{I}f I behaved like a fool, my father called me a fool. And he said to me, ‘Don’t behave like a fool.’ The worst thing he said — ‘Don’t behave like a fool. Don’t be anybody’s dummy. Don’t sound like an idiot. Don’t act like a girl. Don’t cry.’ That’s what I was raised with. That’s what you should raise your children with. Stop with the sensitivity training. You’re turning your son into a girl, and you’re turning your nation into a nation of losers and beaten.”<50>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Savage_(commentator)

[kegler14]

17. Savage isn't even worth the bandwidth.

Of all the radio talking head douchebags who put on acts to earn big paychecks, this guy is the biggest fraud. He'll say anything to try to draw more listeners.

[ourbluenation]

20. BULLLLL SHIIIT. Don't roll over like that. Contact his employer. NOW!

It's in the link above.

Here's the line


He crossed it.

[Ian David]

18. NOW will they fire him??? Finally, at long last, has he no decency? n/t

[Marrah_G]

28. Nope: He gets paid to be an asshole

[hoosier_lefty]

21. yes it's a racket !!

I got the last laugh on all the suckers that let me spend
tens of thousands of dollars just to get a diagnosis for my son! HA HA I showed them!

My son will never be able to hold a job or function in society!
$3000+ a year for what the insurance doesn't cover.
(This is a great racket!)

Oh yeah I should beat the crap out of him and tell him
to act like a man. I think I'd rather do that to Michael Savage.


If I could give my life right now so that he could be normal I would. People
like this, and anyone who agrees with him are idiots.
Insinuating that it's a racket or an act know nothing about autism or the
emotional and financial cost of having an autistic child.

[ourbluenation]

22. Hugs for you and your boy.

:hug:

[rebel with a cause]

30. You have my empathy and my hopes that things

will somehow improve for you and your son. I know you love your child, no matter what, but realize how taxing this illness can be on the whole family. Not just financially but also emotionally and physically. Hopefully the strength you need will be yours and your family will be blessed with a grace others may never know. My thoughts will be with you and may the powers that be smile down on you and your child. :hug:

[Cronus Protagonist]

43. I"m sure your son isn't in the 99% bracket

You have a medical diagnosis. Why would you assume he would be?

[hoosier_lefty]

44. I didn't assume anything

Are you saying that 99% af autism is people faking it?

He didn't say anything about a diagnosis, he's just saying Autism in mostly
fake. Do you agree with that?


From the July 16 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:

SAVAGE: Now, you want me to tell you my opinion on autism, since I'm not talking about autism? A fraud, a racket. For a long while, we were hearing that every minority child had asthma. Why did they sudden -- why was there an asthma epidemic amongst minority children? Because I'll tell you why: The children got extra welfare if they were disabled, and they got extra help in school. It was a money racket. Everyone went in and was told , "When the nurse looks at you, you go , 'I don't know, the dust got me.' " See, everyone had asthma from the minority community. That was number one.

Now, the illness du jour is autism. You know what autism is? I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is.

What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, "Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot."

Autism -- everybody has an illness. If I behaved like a fool, my father called me a fool. And he said to me, "Don't behave like a fool." The worst thing he said -- "Don't behave like a fool. Don't be anybody's dummy. Don't sound like an idiot. Don't act like a girl. Don't cry." That's what I was raised with. That's what you should raise your children with. Stop with the sensitivity training. You're turning your son into a girl, and you're turning your nation into a nation of losers and beaten men. That's why we have the politicians we have.

[Raksha]

52. Obviously none of that shaming worked, because he is STILL a fool!

Re If I behaved like a fool, my father called me a fool. And he said to me, "Don't behave like a fool." The worst thing he said -- "Don't behave like a fool. Don't be anybody's dummy...

[LWolf]

23. Making big money pandering to ignorance and bigotry. What's new? n/t

[treestar]

24. What an ass

I suppose he doesn't accept the diagnosis I make of him, that he's "antisocial" either.

These right wing morans need everything to be so simple. Every discovery of the varieties of human behavior threatens them - they want it all down to a basic black and white, with the opportunity to judge others - he needs those individuals to go untreated, so he can feel "superior" to them.

[GreenPartyVoter]

25. Pathetic. There's no excuse for such ignorance

[proud2BlibKansan]

26. What a piece of shit

I will gladly contact his network.

Thanks for posting.

[Marrah_G]

27. Why,why,why are you listening to Savage? You KNOW the guy is an asshole

[Quixote1818]

32. The poster wasn't listening to him. He/she got this from Mediamatters. nt

[Marrah_G]

36. Ahhhhh...okay.

Just hearing the man's voice makes me want to vomit.

[DireStrike]

34. He should tell my brother

Well, it wouldn't matter. My brother would probably just look at him for a second, snap his head away and return to whatever repetitive task he was doing.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

35. Stop press: Right wing radio commentator wrong about something.

That said, this seems even more than usually innaccurate.

I have no doubt that autism is somewhat overdiagnosed, but it's also somewhat underdiagnosed.

[mmonk]

37. Those of us who have autistic children have heard all this before.

Yep, bad parenting. Never mind the sibling that doesn't have it. The real fraud is rightwingers being labeled human or having values.

[LeftishBrit]

46. What a revolting character...

but really what do you expect of a man who once called a caller a 'sodomite' and said that he should 'get AIDS and die'? He seems to be a professional hater.

While there *are* some people who are over-ready to diagnose their somewhat odd neighbours and colleagues and even people in history as having autism and other psychiatric disorders - it is very rare for people to do this with themselves; still less with their children.

He clearly has *no* understanding of what autism is. 50% of autistic people never develop useful language - how could that be a result of someone just being a spoilt brat? I would suggest that he should be made to spend a month volunteering with a class of children with severe autism and see if he changes his mind - except that would be horribly cruel to the children; so no.

Even apart from the viciousness toward people with disabilities, his parenting advice seems disgusting by any standards. "Don’t act like a girl. Don’t cry.’ That’s what I was raised with. That’s what you should raise your children with. Stop with the sensitivity training. You’re turning your son into a girl, and you’re turning your nation into a nation of losers and beaten" - Er, Mr. Savage, whoever brought you up is definitely a role model for how NOT to raise decent and moral human beings!

[madrchsod]

47. our best friend has an autistic child,

my wife works with autistic and other mentally challenged people,and our city is hosting a two day conference on autism.

weiner needs to be drawn and quartered

[RayOfHope]

48. Oh yeah, all those kids I teach on a daily basis are faking it!

Who knew 3-5 year olds are so talented? I mean, the way they self stimulate, the language disorders, echolalia, sensory disorders--man! I am working with one gifted group of kids!

What a top notch motherfucker. I feel like I am going to explode with anger.

[Book Lover]

50. Consider the source (nm)

[earth mom]

51. Savage can stick his option where the sun don't shine.

An asshole for an asshole. :puke:

[spoony]

53. Seriously, Savage is the worst person on earth.

I would rather make out with Coulter, or Hannity for that matter, than even listen to twenty minutes of Savage.

[Joanne98]

54. If this doesn't get him knocked off the air, nothing will.

[fascisthunter]

55. What a Twisted Bag of Shit this Guy is

I swear he talks just like the Nazis did.

and no, I have NEVER heard of a person fronting that they were autistic.

[Prophet 451]

56. How do we get a fucking boycot going?

My kid brother is autistic, Michael Savage can kiss my tungas. Scumbag's got no fucking idea what this illness is about. I always knew Savage was an asshole but picking on the handicapped is low even for him.

[depakid]

57. If there was any doubt about the need for the fairness doctrine...

Savage Weiner removes it on a weekly basis.

[lonestarnot]

58. Have to log into that piece of shit and I'm not about to. hmmmmf.

[eppur_se_muova]

60. Savage Wiener is paid to be an asshole. That's his job.

Anyone who believes otherwise hasn't heard his show. He clearly revels in being an irritant. He's probably vain enough to be believe he's a constructive irritant, but he gets paid precisely **because** of his being the opposite.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

61. I am in a ranting mode today

Let us, arguendo, accept the premise that Michael Savage is a piece of human sewage. Any judge I've ever known would issue a directed verdict on that question.

I am diagnosed Aspergers, by two psychologists and a psychiatrist. I got my DX in my late 40s after a lifetime of academic superstardom and social and employment failure. I was raised in a two-parent family - a wildly dysfunctional family, but with two parents. I was odd from my earliest memories. As a child I preferred the company and conversation of adults. It was more interesting to me than the childish prattle of my peers. When I was five years old I could identify the make and model of every car and piece of construction equipment I saw (My dad was a heavy-equipment mechanic). I was IQ tested and found to be a genius-level intellect at the same age. I started school a year early (my district was a December cutoff and I was born in September) and accelerated a grade within 6 weeks of starting school. So I was barely 6 and in the second grade, with kids who were as old as 8.. Being the smallest and smartest kid in class does not lead to a happy existence. I have never been able to read people and live entirely within my own head. I have no empathy, though I do have compassion.

For years I was bullied unmercifully because I was different. I had two "nervous breakdowns" at the ages of 11 and 14. I quit school at 16 because I was scared of dealing with the social issues of high school. Oddly, I needn't have been. I'd have fallen in with the same crowd of pot-smoking, rock=worshiping malcontents/freaks that I fell in with anyway. This was the 1970s, when there was a real youth counterculture. I became a bass guitarist, and a gifted one. I had my druggy times back in the 1970s and survived them alive and sane; I took more out of drugs than they ever took out of me.

When I was in my early twenties, I was working a dead end job at a dry cleaners and one of my co-workers and my cousin suggested that I go to college. I was, they observed, a pretty smart guy, I got my GED on a dare and tested through a number of required freshman courses at the University of Minnesota despite never having spent a day in high school. I graduated summa cum laude and was elected to Phi Beta Kappa. I made few friends during my college years and lived in my mother's basement through my college years. I never dated and was (and am to this day) utterly terrified of any available woman I find attractive. Harvard Law School didn't care. My grades, test scores and story were enough to get me in. As a side note, I was a classmate of Michelle Robinson Obama, though I didn't know her in school.

I did well, served three years on a journal there and got a position at a prestigious firm in my hometown. Within three months I knew I would be fired. I was ignored by everyone, especially the partners to whom I was nominally assigned. From some higher ups I could feel the hatred. Why? I didn't know. I couldn't read them or engage in normal small talk and "social lubrication" that greases the skids for normals, or "neurotypicals" as they are called in the Aspie community, I'd always been different. I was a weird kid and I grew up to be a weird, socially dysfunctional adult. I didn't know why everyone didn't look at life through the objective lens of logic, as i did. I was competent, yet intensely disliked and avoided. I can't talk to strangers unless I know ahead of time that we share a common interest. I come across as cold, evasive and, I have been told, toweringly arrogant. All it is is insecurity. I have been rejected by so many people in so many circumstances that I am shy and defensive and do not reveal myself to any but my oldest and closest friends.

Well, I was eventually fired, and a couple of attorneys there made sure I would never work again. For the last eighteen years I have bounced between temporary positions like clerkships and staff work and unemployment or underemployment. Not until three years ago did I get my Asperger's DX. I have been unemployed for three of the last four years; I lost my car last year and was foreclosed out of my home early this year. I would be on the streets were it not for the generosity of friends. I have been given every excuse in the book for not getting positions I have applied for. Two years ago I applied with the MN Democrats for a position doing opposition research. I am very fluent with the Internet and its research tools. The excuse given? I hadn't worked with the exact software they used, and this after a recommendation from the state party chairman.

I have been trying to get in contact with the MN Obama office and the state party by my e-mails have been unacknowledged recently. There are things I can do, but heavy personal interaction is not one of them. Give me a complex project and a deadline, turn me loose, and I will do fabulous work. I can write a brief that any attorney could set before the SCOTUS with pride. But I don't get people and people don't get me. I am Data from STNG. I look human, but on a fundamental level, I am not.

Don't tell me that there's no such thing as the autism spectrum. Savage, you continue to fill a much needed void and are one of the most worthless pieces of shit to walk the earth. Given my druthers, I would torture you slowly to death for that is what hate merchants deserve. For the likes of you, who not only hate me but deny what I am and my life experiences, there is nothing but the deepest contempt and hatred in me.

There's no place for me in a world that values personableness more than ability. Unlike many of my Aspie brothers and sisters, I have no ability with math or computer languages. My gifts lie with more concrete abstractions (yes I know that's a contradiction in terms) like music and the written word.

The friends that are supporting me, save one - ironically a conservative, but one who has dealt with depression in his own life and understands - have said I have six months to get myself into a self supporting position. Then I am on my own. Let's put it this way: in my view death is unutterably better than life on the freezing streets of February in Minneapolis.

Sorry to go off like this, but I've had to deal with morons like Savage brutalizing me for more than 40 years. Such people have no right to criticize or question me until, in the words of the old Native American proverb, they have walked a mile in my moccasins.

The ChimpH8R in MN


edited for typing error.

[HughMoran]

63. Wow, thanks for sharing - I can relate in so many ways!

I was reading and thinking "that was me, that was me" up until you dropped out of high-school @ age 16 which I also did as a social misfit who felt like drugs actually helped "take the edge off" of the extreme anxiety associated with my condition. My specialty was model trains. The other thing I did different is I learned to fight back against the bullies - I nearly killed some people who weren't expecting the inner rage I had built up over the years due to the bullies who fucked with me. I did find a place in the tech-pro world - I hope you can find a niche that works for you.

[DS1]

65. You're diagnosed. I, to engage your brain for a moment, was talking

about the people going around saying they have aspergers or are "slightly autistic" with no medical evidence to back that up. They simply use it as an excuse for their inability to interact with people, because they read symptoms on the Internet and think "Oh hey, that sounds like me". And it's bullshit.

That's why I wrote, "without a diagnosis" in post one. It seems 19 other people missed that part, but instead of making my intentions more clear, it's far more amusing watching people read the post title and fly off the handle and call me a right-winger who should slash my own wrists. :eyes:

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

67. I was undiagnosed until I was 48

Does that make my prior life experiences any less valid? It appears you think it does.

There wasn't even a diagnosis for Asperger's until 15 years ago. I was classified as schizophrenic, paranoid, and maladjusted for years. I was and am none of those things. I had and have a different mind. The unmistakable implication of your thoughtless remarks is that until a disease or condition is clinically described, it doesn't exist and those who claim it does exist are frauds. So I guess people who suffered from polio before it was included in a taxonomy of human diseases were faking. Demon possession or hysterical paralysis, the lot of them. :banghead:

There are more things, Horatio.......

[HughMoran]

68. There was no diagnosis for Aspergers in the 1960's - DOH!

You are fucking ignorant about the facts. So many people were and are suffering and you don't don't give a fuck for some reason. Many people live their lives as miserable hermits because of the stigma dull fucking blades give to getting a diagnosis. ...or people don't have the money to get one. It took 5 years and $10's of thousands of dollars before we got the diagnosis for our daughter - it's not something people just "get" after one appointment. But you wouldn't know that because you have no fucking idea what Aspergers is or how much of a handicap it is for some people. I am arguing with you now even though I am going to put you on ignore after this thread gets locked. Your ignorance is monumental in proportion. You're one of the worst people I've even had the pleasure of having a discussion with here.

[DS1]

69. stopped reading after your first sentence

I thought you were putting me on ignore.

[HughMoran]

71. You just want to remain ignorant, that's why. You'd know why you aren't on iggy yet IF YOU READ IT

You are having some difficulties dealing with the reality of this situation you've gotten yourself into here.

The only word that describes someone who doesn't understand an issue, refuses to learn but conmtinues to argue about it is "ignoramus". I say that with all due respect - it's the correct word to describe your position.

[DS1]

72. Okay. I read it.

You can cool down, now. It's the healthy option.

[HughMoran]

75. Smugness isn't serving you well at this time

Honestly, you could simply apologize to all of the people you've offended and move on.

[DS1]

81. No.

and I'm quite surprised people aren't offended by people who DO go around claiming this and that because it's the latest fad. I know a guy with two perfectly normal kids, who claims they're "slightly autistic" just because he assumes that makes them appear 'gifted' or 'smarter' than the others. It's ridiculous. I know they're fine because his wife told me so, but this dirtbag is still going around saying it, and cheapening the condition.

Those are the people who should be apologizing. Not me. That's the kind of crap I was posting about in the first place, it's not my problem if people simply skim over it and have their messageboard rage orgasm.

There's also the part about none of those people deserving an apology after their rudeness.

[HughMoran]

89. Doesn't matter now

A mod tore the guts out of this thread by deleting your comments and all of the heartfelt responses to your ignorant post. I guess I can put you on iggy now as there's no point to this thread any more - I expect moronic bullshit from Savage, not UDers.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

74. Thanks, Hugh

All of my best and support to you, your family and especially to your precious daughter. I wish you all nothing but happiness. :grouphug:

DS1, you really are beneath contempt. I've been on DU on an off for more than three years, and I have never put anyone on ignore before. Consider yourself honored by being the first.

[Mythsaje]

70. It was a terminally stupid thing to say

and says a lot about your own assumptions. Not every condition is immediately open to diagnosis, first of all. And how many of those so-called "self-diagnosed" folks might just be correct? Those that are you've managed to piss all over. And those that aren't obviously have other issues that deserve a little more compassion than a knee-jerk "I agree with Michael Savage." No decent human being should ever utter or type those words.

On edit: And you find it AMUSING that you've offended people with personal connections to autism?

:WTF:

[DS1]

73. The title was unfortunate

And no, I find it amusing that so many people are only reading the title and letting the shit fly.

[YankmeCrankme]

76. BS. You're wrong and you either don't see it or see it and refuse to admit it.

Your post agreed with Savage. He said 99% of autism is fake. You agreed. Don't start spinning your comment. The posts I read here from people citing their experience with diagnosed cases of autism or aspergers saying that they have not heard of anyone who claims they have it or a child has it that isn't diagnosed. I'll take their word for it since they actually have experience with the conditions. So until you can provide evidence that there are actual people, certified accounts of people who go around claiming they have those conditions and are using them as an excuse, but do not, in actuality, have them accept the abuse without trying to finagle out of it. Either that or apologize.

[devilgrrl]

79. That's not what you originally intimated. Quit making excuses for your abysmal behavior.

:popcorn:

[DS1]

82. You know where you can put your popcorn

All you do is go around trying to spark up flame-wars. You don't serve any real purpose here.

[devilgrrl]

83. Gee! Project much?

:popcorn:

[DS1]

84. What part of that tiny reply could you possibly need to edit?

:eyes:

[devilgrrl]

85. I forgot the popcorn

:hi:

[pinto]

88. Hi all.

The administrators of Democratic Underground are working to provide a place where progressives can share ideas and debate in an atmosphere of mutual respect. Despite our best efforts, some of our members often stray from this ideal and cheapen the quality of discourse for everyone else. Unfortunately, it is simply impossible to write a comprehensive set of rules forbidding every type of antisocial behavior. The fact that the rules do not forbid a certain type of post does not automatically make an uncivil post appropriate, nor does it imply that the administrators approve of disrespectful behavior. Every member of this community has a responsibility to participate in a respectful manner, and to help foster an atmosphere of thoughtful discussion. In this regard, we strongly advise that our members exercise a little common decency, rather than trying to parse the message board rules to figure out what type of antisocial behavior is not forbidden.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

Thanks.

[mdmc]

62. Perhaps a loved on of his will have this problem

and he can cure them through his parenting.

Not for nothing, but what would you expect from right wing talk radio?

[nam78_two]

66. Michael Savage is ABSOLUTELY one of the scariest radio hosts in this country (at least imo)

And that is saying a lot when you consider that his competition is Hannity, Boortz, Limbaugh etc.
I would bet good money that the guy is an actual neo-nazi.

[sakabatou]

77. I have a form of autsim

And Savage can kiss my hairy, white ass.

http://www.nldline.com/">NLD

[Karenina]

78. "Free Speech"

:patriot: These are America"s ""community standards" for her airwaves. Rwanda CAN'T happen there...

[KamaAina]

80. More contacts from Media Matters

Contact information:

Michael Savage
[e-mail]

Talk Radio Network
Talk Radio Network
Talk Radio Network
P.O. Box 3755
Central Point, Oregon 97502
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

The Savage Nation
The Savage Nation
The Paul Revere Society
150 Shoreline Hwy, Bldge E
Mill Valley, CA 94941
Fax: [phone]

Whatever you do, do NOT mention that Savage Weiner spent most of his time as a botany student at UH (sorry!) composing mash notes to Allen Ginsburg... :evilgrin:

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

86. Just sent an edited version of my main post to "Savage"'s network

I will post whatever I hear from the swine.

[proud patriot]

90. Savage proves once again what a coward he is

picking on disabled kids is what a "REAL" man does . :sarcasm:

what a pathetic piece of scum he is .

[undergroundpanther]

94. savage is a bully

And I hope someday someone angry and sick of him,barges into his fucking studio when no one expects and beats the living snot out of that degenerate psychopath..Live.

Fuck you Savage, I hope your mask is torn off,and you are exposed soon as the bully ,loser ,piece of shit,worthless,arrogant,emotionally stunted,childish,selfish, cowardly, loudmouthed,mean, ignorant,useless, asshole, a lump of shit exuding hot air, a waste of skin you are... and may every person that enables you, and is enough of an ASSHOLE to give savage access to a microphone may they be shamed , made poor,discredited,humiliated,powerless, and hated by everyone everywhere they go for the rest of their miserable days,may they all be abandoned,all alone, pointless lives, defeated and ,voiceless because nobody listens to bullies anymore.

I wait for the wonderful day when it is open season on right wing psychopaths.I want to see every last one of these pigs ruined,bankrupted,every shady closed door deal,lie,abuse, and scheme exposed,to the world,so they have nowhere to hide,no buddy to bail them out,made to be dirt poor,hated by everyone in the world, made powerless,pointless,purposeless,seen as losers,idiotic,evil,heartless,abusive,defective,morally inferior,
to be abandoned,ignored,silenced, humiliated and laughed at until they all kill themselves. Right wing = party of psychopathy.