GOP whistle-blower names Karl Rove and others in election fraud conspiracy

[HomerRamone]

From: Mark Crispin Miller

Here, friends, is some news of vast importance--the beginning of a major lawsuit that will thoroughly expose Bush/Cheney's long conspiracy to steal their "victories" through election fraud.

It is a case of vast historical importance, not just because of what it will reveal about US elections since 2000, but, no less, because it represents the only way that we might actually prevent another stolen race this fall. By shining a bright light, at last, on all the topmost perpetrators of the fraud thus far, this suit will drive them all into defensive mode and, therefore, out of business.

To understand the magnitude of this amazing case, please read Steve Heller's piece, below, about today's press conference in Columbus, Ohio, where attorney Cliff Arnebeck--and whistle-blower Stephen Spoonamore--laid out the case before a number of impressed reporters.

Here are just a few enticing bullet points:

> Stephen Spoonamore is a prominent Republican--who until recently was working for McCain's campaign--and a respected expert on computer fraud.

> Spoonamore has named Mike Connell, a fiercely partisan IT specialist, as Karl Rove's primary instrument for high-tech sabotage throughout the past eight years (at least). A self-proclaimed Bush loyalist (and a fanatical pro-lifer), Connell has been at the scene of every dubious election since 2000 (including the gubernatorial race in Alabama in 2002, when Don Siegelman was "beaten" by Bob Riley).

> Connell has not only been assisting Rove on the >electoral front, but also has full control of the congressional computer system. As Heller reports:

One of the more frightening aspects of Connell's work is that he created the firewall for the U.S. Congressional computer system. Of course, it is completely possible that the firewall could have been created with secret security gaps that can be exploited to hack into any congressional computer. If that has happened, every computer in any senate or congressional office is subject to hacking by Bush/Republican operatives.

(It is quite possible, in fact, that the bizarre timidity of Reid, Pelosi and most other leading Democrats may be explained as a result of BushCo having lots of dirt on all of them--dirt gleaned freely from their emails and other on-line correspondence, all of which may well have been surveilled by Rove's own men.)

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MCM

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6189

[loveable liberal]

1. W'ever... this guy waits this long?

too little too late, unless we're talking prosecution after the dolt leaves office. Everyone knows they're criminals, 50 percent of us accept it and enjoy the fact.

[Patchuli]

30. But by revealing what was done

to cheat the election system then, we can prevent it from happening again. I think this is great but not a moment too soon.

[L. Coyote]

107. This information is almost six years old, FCS! Is everyone asleep. or what?

There is nothing new here that has not been known forever already,
except that some litigants changed their strategy in a legal case.

OCTOBER 13, 2003

Did E-Vote Firm Patch Election?
Kim Zetter
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2003/10/60563

Diebold Election Systems has had a tumultuous year, and it doesn't look like it's getting any better.

Last January the electronic voting machine maker faced public embarrassment when voting activists revealed the company's insecure FTP server was making its software source code available for everyone to see.

Then researchers and auditors who examined code for the company's touch-screen voting system released two separate reports stating that the software was full of serious security flaws.

Now a former worker in Diebold's Georgia warehouse says the company installed patches on its machines before the state's 2002 gubernatorial election that were never certified by independent testing authorities or cleared with Georgia election officials.

If the charges are true, Diebold could be in violation of federal and state election-certification rules. ...

[Patchuli]

111. Well we're not

but a lot of America has been...

I think the old karmic wheel has reversed direction and is gaining steam. Educating the folks that haven't been paying attention until now when they're suffering as a consequence of these things is very important...it IS frustrating but a fact just the same.

[Raksha]

54. Of course...he's a crook too!

It sounds like he knew he was about to be exposed, so now he's turning on his cohorts--Rove especially--hoping for a plea bargain.

[Joanne98]

67. That's good. That means the rats are starting to leave the ship.

Give him the immunity he wants. That will insure that more of them come forward.

[screembloodymurder]

88. They shoot rats, don't they?

He'll never testify.

[MissWaverly]

103. or maybe a pardon

doubt Obama will be handing out pardons to those who cheated dems from being elected.

[McCamy Taylor]

108. Took the 2006 elections for Ohio and US Congress to go Dem before anyone would do anything.

Remember after 2004, we all knew what would had happened but the whistleblowers could not get any action. That was why the 2006 elections were so important. And even now, the federal DOJ will not act.

[tibbiit]

2. Yes!

You wrote: (It is quite possible, in fact, that the bizarre timidity of Reid, Pelosi and most other leading Democrats may be explained as a result of BushCo having lots of dirt on all of them--dirt gleaned freely from their emails and other on-line correspondence, all of which may well have been surveilled by Rove's own men.)

This is exactly what I believe to be true. It is the only thing that explains the last 8 years. I also think they have as much dirt on repugs too, to keep them in line.
tib

[Kierkegaard]

28. That rings a little hollow, though.

How would they expose any of this supposed 'dirt' without revealing they had gathered it in an illegal manner?

[Occulus]

31. That's what Washington pundits like Novakula are for.

To release the dirt via "unnamed administration sources" and such.

[jazzjunkysue]

66. Right. If you have the name, the date, the hotel, you don't need the email

You can follow up without it and get your witnesses lined up for their take of the proceeds.

[Cheap_Trick]

47. Like they care?

It was revealed that they spied on us in an illegal manner, and what came of that?

[Jackpine Radical]

49. An example: Spitzer.

[druidity33]

62. once the shit hits the fan...

the damage is already done. It don't matter much who flung it or where or what they got it from. Everyone has gotta start cleanup procedure, otherwise the place starts to stink.

:shrug:

[screembloodymurder]

89. I think the fan's broke.

The shit just piles up around it.

[druidity33]

100. ugh

why that's a messy predicament. Maybe we should start adding straw and earth. Unplug the fan, and start a big ol' compost pile.

I'm gonna grow me a Victory Garden!

:)

[defendandprotect]

42. Which raises the question of WHY the Congress would increase Bush's wiretapping ability . . ?????

Evidently, they KNEW immediately upon Bush taking office that this was going on ---

Why not try to stop it--?

Why not get the story out -- ?

And, now, why extend an increased wiretapping right to Bush while he'll be in office

six more months --- ????

None of this makes sense . . . !!

[Stuart G]

3. If prosecutes can put this guy in jail...then...

Rove is at risk. If this guy really doesn't like jail, and if it is a bad jail..then he may flip . If he flips, Rove is in jail..
...This same plan put Gov Ryan in jail in Illinois. His top aid flipped.==top aids name was....Scott Fawell..
... George Ryan, former governor of Illinois, 70 years old has a room for 4-6 years.

[xchrom]

4. let's see if anything actually happens because of this whistleblower.

many of us -- at least here -- knew this was going on -- so we figure pelosi and others know the same.

but so far --

bupkis.

[file83]

110. Notice how this shit only comes up a couple months before an election?

And then after the election, nothing has happened except some C-Span drama, and everyone forgets until the next election 2 years later, rather rinse, repeat.

[Botany]

5. Good old Kenny Blackwell had the vote data in 2004 run through a ....

.... computer in Chattanooga, TN as the server to handle the information. The computer(s)
were owned by a company called "Smartech." The reason for using the Tennessee computers
was given that the Secretary of State's computer was too small to handle all the data from the
elections and so they needed a larger one. Funny thing was that Smartech had 3 other accounts
bush/Cheney 2004, the RNC, & gwb43.com (Rove & Gonzales') private e-mail account that they
did not have to archive.

Jan. 6th 2005 Tom DeLay on the House Floor when a challenge to the Presidential vote came up,
"What do these people think that Karl Rove was sitting in the White House basement flipping votes
on a couple of computers?"

[L. Coyote]

44. Meanwhile, the votes had been stolen before the counting, so who cares which computer reported the

numbers after the thefts?

Yes, they favor cronies when they give out contracts. But, so what compared to the vote theft. There is nothing illegal about contracting a ISP to display the vote tallies on the Internet. It was perfectly legal and was even absolutely necessary. The only thing wrong with this was giving the business to a crony, period.

And, of course, there is the distraction from the real theft.

[Botany]

76. This was only part of "it."

Ohio 2004 was a multi-level crime. Yes there was a shift of Kerry votes to bush votes but
there was also machine shortages, caging lists, voters purged from the roles, vote
flipping on the machines, punch cards that would not let votes to be recorded for Kerry,
some sort of manipulation @ the tabulators, rigged recounts, voter suppression, secret
vote counts because of a nonexistent terror threat, more absentee votes that absentee
ballots issued (Trumble County), partisan influence over voting @ the State level (Blackwell)
@ County BOEs, and @ the precinct level too.

Blackwell went out of his way to run the data through TN for a reason .... my guess is that
it allowed Rove to look @ "the numbers" before anybody else and then figure how many votes
would be needed to be flipped to get the election for bush. Blackwell went out of his way to
hide Smartech too .... first running "it" through Richfield, OH (for an Ohio address) than down
to Chattanooga, TN. Smartech is more than a distraction .... I think it along w/ HAVA were
part of Rove's plan on stealing another election.

The parameters of the Ohio 2004 vote send up so many red flags.

From 2001- 2004 Ohio lost more jobs than any other state in the Country .... economic well
being is the #1 factor in voter behavior.

There were more registered dems than reps. in 2004 Ohio not much but slighty more.

New voters who were pro Kerry were registered @ almost 10 to 1 325,000 new Kerry voters
to new bush voters.

1:00 AM CNN exit poll female voters Ohio 52 to 47 Kerry
male voters Ohio 49.5 to 47 Kerry

[Divine Discontent]

109. thank you for posting this information, Botany

many people in the US do not know this, because the MSM won't talk about it. We need to keep bringing it up in posts like this, over and over -

"computer in Chattanooga, TN as the server to handle the information. The computer(s)
were owned by a company called "Smartech." The reason for using the Tennessee computers
was given that the Secretary of State's computer was too small to handle all the data from the
elections and so they needed a larger one. Funny thing was that Smartech had 3 other accounts
bush/Cheney 2004, the RNC, & gwb43.com (Rove & Gonzales') private e-mail account that they
did not have to archive.

Jan. 6th 2005 Tom DeLay on the House Floor when a challenge to the Presidential vote came up,
"What do these people think that Karl Rove was sitting in the White House basement flipping votes
on a couple of computers?"



Keep saying it!

MORE AT --- www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable

[WhiteTara]

6. Okay, this is important!

I'm sending this to my US rep's office.

[speedoo]

7. K&R, and bookmarked. nt

[mia]

8. He Who Does Not Hesitate: Stephen Spoonamore

I wonder if this is the same guy.


SERIAL ENTREPRENEURS-WHO SUCCEEDS & WHY?

He Who Does Not Hesitate: Stephen Spoonamore
Stephen Spoonamore hears a bugle call that not all of us can, and he knows to spring out of bed the moment it sounds. "I'm the eldest son from a long line of military men," he says, "all of whom survived combat." Spoonamore, 35, says this between forkfuls of musakka at a small Turkish joint in midtown Manhattan. The restaurant is across the street from a building that Spoonamore owns, which houses the latest of his nine ventures - a TV set-design company that creates newsroom backdrops for Fox Television, among others. Collectively, his businesses bring in $7 million to $10 million annually.

Launching CBT Productions was Spoonamore's response to the latest bugle call. The TV news business was flush with cash and ready to change its style, and Spoonamore used the military smarts he inherited to leap in. That's Spoonamore's expertise: jumping from deal to deal, always thinking but not letting the thought process bog him down. Spoonamore doesn't waste a lot of time in that Hamlet-like state of self-doubt and impotence.

"There's a switch in my head, and I can hear it when it gets triggered," Spoonamore explains. "I understand when to aggressively take risks, when to charge in, and when to absolutely hold still."

...Today the same decisiveness comes with him into the room when he negotiates with major-league clients like Bloomberg L.P. He knows when to spring forward with a demand and when to retreat and "make the other guy feel like he's (won) something." Spoonamore can be such a brutal negotiator that new employees have been known to gawk when they first see him in action. "It really is like there's this other, dark Steve out there," he says, almost gleefully. Ruminators, take note: Let your dark side shine.



http://www.derbymanagement.com/knowledge/pages/success/serial.html

[Stuart G]

9. Most people think that they cannot get Rove...here is some more..

on George Ryan..

Most people thought that they could not get him either...read about it here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ryan

but here is something very important...guess who was the chief prosecutor of Governor George Ryan?

none other than...........



Patrick ..Fitzgerald...same guy who in another thread.......(latest news)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3400200&mesg_id=3400200



said that Rove tried to get him fired..(you know, the honest guy who tried to get Cheney on the stand)

[liberalla]

10. OMG. Is it finally going happen?

Please please PLEEEEZE!

I've got to read the whole thing now...

[Stuart G]

11. It could happen.....

after all, Patrick Fitzgerald still has a job in the U.S.Attorney's office. Not some acting official. He hasn't been fired yet.
and he did get Governor George Ryan when they said no one could get him...Let us give this guy.....

> Spoonamore has named Mike Connell, a fiercely partisan IT specialist, as Karl Rove's primary instrument for high-tech sabotage throughout the past eight years (at least). A self-proclaimed Bush loyalist (and a fanatical pro-lifer), Connell has been at the scene of every dubious election since 2000 (including the gubernatorial race in Alabama in 2002, when Don Siegelman was "beaten" by Bob Riley)

an nice long sentence, and then he can flip too...

[Stuart G]

12. If Mike Connell..flips.........then...

guess who?

Connell may not like a long prison sentence. It is against the law to fix election results...So he is the key.
.. And some sharp prosecutor who has some kind of grudge against Rove, may find a way to get him...(they usually can)

These computer types really do not like jail..no computers there. ....Very long prison time, then, say to him..we will shorten it, if you just testify against Mr.Rove....well......................????????????????????????What happened to former Governor George Ryan?

[Stuart G]

14. About Gov George Ryan.. from... Wikipedia..

.........The Supreme Court rejected an extension of his bail, and Ryan reported to the Federal Prison Camp in Oxford, Wisconsin on November 7, 2007.<24><25> He was transferred on February 29, 2008 to a medium security facility in Terre Haute, Indiana after Oxford changed its level of medical care and stopped housing inmates over 70 years old.<26> He is listed as Federal Inmate Number 16627-424, and is scheduled for release on July 4, 2013, when he will be 79 years old.<27>.............

[mod mom]

19. McConnell would incur an accident before he was ever allowed to testify.

The pugs have seen repeated that they deny and refuse to answer with no consequences. As much as I'd love for this to come to fruitation...I am hesitant to be optimistic. (certainly not because they're innocent but because of the total breakdown of our justice system)

[Ilsa]

18. These are the ones that scare me. Connell is an electoral Paul Hill,

someone willing to sacrifice anything and everything for his "pro-life" position. Stealing an election would be no moral delimma for these assholes, not when they have shown they are willing to kill for their one and only ideological plank.

[Sancho]

13. Will this be the one? Clint Curtis has gone nowhere...

For those of us in Florida, it has been obvious that elections were hacked. I am so frustrated that the bastards haven't been caught. Maybe this is it. Mark Crispin Miller is great.


:dem:

[Tesla]

15. Like I have said for 8 years.....

I want my country back!!

[Stuart G]

16. Putting Rove in Jail...would certainly help us get our contry back..

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

33. Clint Curtis Is A Total Kook.

Let's hope this current whistleblower is a bit more credible. I'll be crossing my fingers.

[miles 2 go]

61. Why do you say Clint Curtis is a kook?

He seemed pretty upright to me. He was one of the first and only people with the balls to testify against the cabal and try to alert the media and people to the election fraud.

[gratuitous]

17. Publish, and be damned

My definition of a hero is one who acts for the greater good without regard to his or her own personal safety. Terms matter, and the "greater good" in my opinion is almost never served at the point of a weapon or under the threat of violence, so that automatically eliminates a lot of "heroism" that our society regularly worships.

The Duke of Wellington, threatened with blackmail by his courtesan, uttered the words in the subject line. The circumstances were cheap and tawdry (but then, with the organized corruption attendant upon royalty, what isn't?), but the line has become the standard of defiance for someone willing to see exposure of wrong-doing. That is, "I care little what happens to me, as this intolerable situation must end, even at the expense of my good name, my reputation, or my life."

True heroism on the part of congressional leadership would bring all of the corruption festering in our government out into the light, even at the risk of one's own position or career. Our country deserves nothing less.

[DailyGrind51]

20. Wasn't that the REAL reason why BushCo. wanted unfettered access to e-mails in the first place?

"(It is quite possible, in fact, that the bizarre timidity of Reid, Pelosi and most other leading Democrats may be explained as a result of BushCo having lots of dirt on all of them--dirt gleaned freely from their emails and other on-line correspondence, all of which may well have been surveilled by Rove's own men.)"

[paparush]

21. Damn!! I've been waiting for some good American, some Patriot to come forward

and spill the beans on this evil cabal.

I'm sure the M$M will be sweep it under the "conspiracy theory" rug.

[Riddler]

22. I have a legal question......since we all know no criminal charges will ever be brought against

Rove or anyone else in this corrupt mis-administration since the asshole will issue blanket pardons for all of his criminal cronies, will his pardon also include civil suits, or just cover criminal proceedings?

[ellenfl]

24. i do not think he can pardon civil suits. eom

[RainDog]

56. None of them can pardon charges of war crimes, either

Because that is part of international law that all signatories MUST HONOR. Even if Bush, et al may try to game the U.S. legal system, they are still accountable to the rest of the world. This is why none of them will be able to travel to western Europe or a host of other nations that are signatories to international human rights law.

I hope someone can get some of the lower worms to turn and give testimony in return for immunity or a reduced sentence. That was a total waste with the girl who testified about political appointments, of course, so the deal has to have teeth. They have to confess to things before they testify before any body of law in order to get any immunity.

[NBachers]

114. How long will the investigations, hearings,

trial, and sentencing take? Maybe the final curtain doesn't come down until Bush is out of office and can't pardon anyone. Then all their asses would be in a sling. Maybe things are gearing up for some rat-traps to start snapping.

[SpiralHawk]

23. The k and the r

eom

[Joanne98]

25. OMG! K&R

[The Backlash Cometh]

26. Finally. I KNEW there would be a few computer specialists involved

in this fraud, and it's about time we get one of the names. The man's career should be in the crapper. He shouldn't even get a job to fix toasters.

[L. Coyote]

51. Actually, I've seen no evidence of a computer involved at all.

And, I would not be surprised if this is just another distraction,
from the very same distractors who brought you SmartTECH.
Remember how far their last huge pile of BS flew?

[druidity33]

64. do you not even

want to hear more about this? I've been seeing you poo poo any idea that is not your own hypothesis on how election fraud is accomplished (how do YOU suppose it was done and how do YOU suppose we can stop it?).

Is it true that only your hypothesis/scenario is valid?

Have you heard of this whistleblower?

Do you have an opinion on Clint Curtis?

:shrug:

[L. Coyote]

101. U: "Is it true that only your hypothesis/scenario is valid?"

I do not answer stupid, rhetorical questions that pretend to put words in my mouth.

I'm going to "poo poo" (as you say) anything I want for as long as I live,
especially if I think it is a distraction from the truth about election irregularities.

AND, since you think I have my "own hypothesis on how election fraud is accomplished," perhaps you can enlighten me as to what that is, and, since you seem to know my thinking, tell me how my hypothesis you know about answers your question, "how do YOU suppose it was done and how do YOU suppose we can stop it?" I'd like to know this stuff about myself too!

Oh, and on edit, I suppose you have some evidence a computer was involved??? Pray tell.

[druidity33]

116. keep poo pooing...

I asked you valid questions. You answered none of them. I put no words in your mouth.

Respectfully, if you have no better idea as to how to go forward with stopping Election Theft... then STFU.

If you don't have your own hypothesis, i apologize. I just thought since you think everyone else's idea is implausible at best (because you need evidence? How will we get that without an investigation? Isn't that what this whistleblower is trying to do?), you must have your own ideas.

Enlighten us with your infinite wisdom, please...

[L. Coyote]

120. U: "if you have no better idea as to how to go forward with stopping Election Theft... then STFU"

Let's review this sub-thread.

This is about the litigation of Blackwell, et.al. in Ohio 2004, right?
I said I see no evidence computers were used to rig Ohio 2004 (punch card) voting.
You attack me and tell me to STFU but do not offer one iota of contrary evidence!

I asked, "I suppose you have some evidence a computer was involved??? Pray tell."
Your only reply is, "Enlighten us with your infinite wisdom, please..." so I assume you have no evidence to offer.

You ask for a "better idea as to how to go forward" and I have often posted just such ideas. I guess you missed those posts.
Specifically, a precinct-level analysis of all Ohio punch card precincts needs to be undertaken to quantify ballot-switching and cross-precinct voting. In particular, the focus should be on the down-ticket anomaly areas. Let me know when you have the results.

[druidity33]

121. you run in circles.

Really though, was that so hard? You answered one of my questions:

"Specifically, a precinct-level analysis of all Ohio punch card precincts needs to be undertaken to quantify ballot-switching and cross-precinct voting. In particular, the focus should be on the down-ticket anomaly areas."

I agree that that's a good idea! To use your tactic for obfuscation, Is there "evidence" that this is the way the Election was stolen?

you said,: "You attack me and tell me to STFU but do not offer one iota of contrary evidence!" -but you offered no evidence for me to be contrary to!

As far as me or anyone else offering "evidence", as you well know (and which i stated prior), there likely won't be any SOLID evidence until after an investigation is done. Which, guess what, this new whistleblower's claims purport to start.

Unlike you, i choose NOT to dismiss this case until i've heard more details.

Sorry if that doesn't jibe with your experience.

:shrug:

[L. Coyote]

123. U: "there likely won't be any SOLID evidence until after an investigation is done"

So, how many investigations have you done so far?
How much solid evidence have you added?
Which investigations are you working on or collaborating with?
How many do you have planned?

Or, are you just on the sidelines assuming I am too?

[druidity33]

124. that's not my responsibility

"So, how many investigations have you done so far?"

Well, none. I'm not a prosecutor or a lawyer.

"How much solid evidence have you added?"

The point I was making is that there IS NO SOLID EVIDENCE and won't be without a legitimate investigation.

"Which investigations are you working on or collaborating with?"

Redundant.

"How many do you have planned?"

Redundant and ridiculous.

"Or, are you just on the sidelines assuming I am too?"

I assume nothing. I AM, however, "on the sidelines". As a member of society struggling to make ends meet, i don't have the time, authority or inclination to perform any type of investigation. I write, i read, i talk to neighbors, i stand out on the corner with signs, i donate when possible... but it's not my responsibility to solve this problem. There are Departments and Organizations whose JOB it is to make sure our Election is theft-proof. We must work to have them hold the guilty accountable.

What i take issue with is you telling people they are wasting their time without telling them how to make better use of it. I'll repeat:

If you have a better idea and want to inspire people to follow it, then enlighten us. Be nice about it. Do it in this thread even. But don't just tell people that you think their idea has no merit because they have no evidence. That's demeaning and unwarranted. You've been around long enough to know better.

[Canuckistanian]

27. Sourcewatch on Mike Connell

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mike_Connell

[proud2BlibKansan]

50. Hmm very interesting

Michael L. Connell was born on November 30, 1963 near Peoria, IL. While attending the University of Iowa in 1984, Connell "caught the political bug" watching the Iowa Caucuses and in 1987 briefly worked as Finance Director for U.S. Rep. Jim Leach's (R-IL) re-election campaign. In 1988, Connell joined George H.W. Bush's presidential campaign in IA, where he developed and maintained a voter contact database. Later that year he was promoted to Bush campaign headquarters in Washington, DC, tasked with designing a database software system for the Republican National Convention. Soon after Bush was inaugurated in 1989, Connell received a presidential appointment to the U.S. Department of Energy as a legislative affairs specialist.

In 1990, Connell returned to the campaign trail as Director of Voter Programs for Sen. Dan Coats (R-IN). However, on November 9, 1990, Connell was fired by Sen. Coats for providing scripts used in a push poll on behalf of another Republican candidate Mike Pence. According to the Associated Press, Connell was fired after Matrixx Marketing of Ogden, Utah called thousands of voters two days before the election. Those who indicated their support for Pence's opponent, Phil Sharp (D-IN), were read Connell's scripts that attacked Sharp on several issues. Pence lost anyway; and Connell lost both his job with Coats for what the senator called "clearly unethical" behavior, and a part-time position with the Indiana State Republican Committee.

[orleans]

29. k&r n/t

[PerpetuallyDazed]

32. Excellent!

I would love to get my Right-wing inlaws in on this--but where do I begin? I say "stolen election" and they immediately turn me off. Is there an introductory guide to one who is new to the whole fraudulent election thing??

[jazzjunkysue]

68. Yes. It's called Fooled Again by marc crispin miller of NYU.

Among other interesting facts, there were many perscincts where the vote was 400% for Bush. Meaning, if there were 300 voters in the prescint, Bush got 1200 votes. Kerry, 0.

And there is not one case of a stray vote going to Kerry that looks the least bit suspicious.

If all the "mistakes" go to one of 2 candidates, "human error" or "technical difficulty" just doesn't fly.

[MadrasT]

34. Major K & R!!!

I'm an I.T. professional, and I don't trust electronic voting in any way, shape, or form. The potential for manipulation is enormous.

:kick:

[RedLetterRev]

40. Me, too, and I work with the same platform as DREs are based on

and I don't trust it to track transactions reliably enough for DOT specifications most of the time LET ALONE for vote tabulations. We have far more stringent requirements than vote tabulations, wudja believe that?

You probably do, being professional. Diebold et al would have us believe otherwise, of course.

I've been screaming about the ultra-low technology and sloppy code employed on DREs since I first heard about them. Nobody listens to those of us who actually work with the platform on a day-in/day-out basis. Trust it with my vote? Not as far as I could spit a rat.

[tpsbmam]

35. K&R n/t

[HCE SuiGeneris]

36. To the gallows with these criminals... and make it snappy!

These traitorous pricks have caused enough misery already.

[barbtries]

37. if this is for real it certainly is huge

i hope it's for real. many more whistle blowers have to grow a conscience along wtih some balls before light shines on most of the bushies's crimes. i've no doubt that some of those crimes will never be known. there are so many, they've infiltrated like every little federal cubicle.

[katty]

38. great&always thought FISA telecom pass was for: Spy on Dems

at all times - it makes perfect sense for the sinister, sick rover bush gang.

[alfredo]

39. How can this be simplified for media consumption.

[jazzjunkysue]

69. All Yer Votes Are Belong To Us.

[alfredo]

83. Works for me, but my mother in law would be puzzled.

[memory]

41. I'm afraid to hope

There is a bottle of bubbly that has been in our fridge for a very long time, waiting for Rove to be charged.

[spanone]

43. and karl is out there doing the same thing in 2008

[lpbk2713]

45. Connell got politically involved in the mid-80's.

Wiki-Link: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mike_Connell


I would dearly love to know what he was involved with when
the stolen 2000 Florida selections were in question.

[seemslikeadream]

46. BushCo having lots of dirt on all of them

How long have we been saying that?

[katty]

53. too long! that is how they operate-always have

[defendandprotect]

48. Why did Spoonamore turn on them . . . ????

And when we look at what we've been up against, it's amazing --- !!!

Arnebeck said "We think is an individual who has been at the center of both the use of corporate money to attack state Attorneys General and their elections and candidates for the Supreme Court and their elections in the states, and also in the manipulation of the election process.

"We expressed concern about the reports that Mr. Rove destroyed his emails and suggested that we want the duplicates that should exist under the control of the Secret Service and be sure that those are retained, as well as those on the receiving end in the Justice Department and elsewhere, that those documents are retained for purposes of this litigation, in which we anticipate Mr. Rove will be identified as having engaged in a corrupt, ongoing pattern of corrupt activities specifically affecting the situation here in Ohio."

[redqueen]

52. Weren't they already busted for hacking into Dem legislators' computers?

:shrug:

[Raksha]

55. K & R

[LaPera]

57. Fuck....Just read this from Raw Story!!

http://rawstory.com//news/2008/Cybersecurity_expert_raises_allegations_of_2004_0717.html

[Joanne98]

74. OMG Cathy Cox and Blackwell too. Please God please!!!!!!!!

[mina_seward]

58. Dems have had

the majority for way more than one year what on earth are they waiting for?

Bush should've been in jail by now if we had a real opposition party.

[windbreeze]

77. OUR simple majority does NOT rule

MAJORITY is a big word but doesn't mean much.....in 2006, control of Congress passed to us, but control passed to us, WITHOUT giving us A BIG enough majority in either house...

2/3rds...2/3rds.....is the magic number....because it means we need 67, SIXTY-SEVEN votes in the Senate...and we need 290,TWO HUNDRED NINETY votes in the house..those are the very LEAST amount of votes required, in order to have the necessary majority.....what we have is....49/49 with 2 indies in the Senate...one of whom is Lieberman...and 232/203 in the house...it's obvious, that w/o a certain number of Republicans voting WITH US we can't accomplish much

apologies for coming on strong...but I have seen this said many times....we want Congress to work for us...we need to give the Democrats more of a working Majority....(for those of you who accept NO excuses...none are being made...facts are facts, we are barely in control, let alone have the necessary majority to have our way) wb

[mina_seward]

79. gimme a break!!!!!!!!

Dems didn't even need a majority to stop Bush, they had at least 40 senators for every second of the Bush presidency, they could've filibustered each and every of his crimes if they were serious.

Please don't give me this 2/3rds CRAP, it's just apologist propaganda.

[windbreeze]

82. whatever...

kinda brash for having only 9 posts aren't you??? makes me wonder what YOUR agenda might be???? sure sounds as though it isn't to support Dems...wb

[mina_seward]

85. Brash is good. The truth is brash.

No agenda here, just open to discussion. Apparently with your teenager 'whatever', I see that you're not.

[windbreeze]

87. I didn't see a need for discussion...

coulda fooled me about being open to discussion...what discussion did you want past making your point, that you accept no excuses, that they should have filibustered everything...what am I supposed to say to that?? it's obvious you have your opinion...just like I do..and it's also obvious that our opinions are NOT the same...that's ok too...I am sure you will find plenty who will "discuss" YOUR opinions.....wb

[HomerRamone]

90. mina_seward is not the only one.

Not letting bills (such as Iraq funding) go the floor is what came to my mind when I saw your post...

[mina_seward]

93. yes exactly

what ARE you supposed to say to that? Let me hear it. Just don't say 'whatever'.

In the last 7 years Democrats have been an opposition party:

by voting “YES” for the USA PATRIOT ACT,
by voting “YES” for two illegal wars and subsequent funding,
by voting “YES” for Alito,
by voting “YES” for Roberts,
by voting “YES” for Mukasey,
by voting “YES” for Gonzales,
by voting “YES” for Rumsfeld,
by voting “YES” to authorize Bush's spying
by voting “YES” in the Senate (97-0) for the resolution to threaten Iran.
by voting “YES” for the FISA travesty, etc etc etc
by refusing to impeach Bush.

even after gaining the majority, they caved in everything, can you NOW understand my being brash?

[EC]

81. My guess is they are waiting for new circuit court judges

placed by a Democratic President...on past suits and filings we got nowhere with Bush's courts.

[Road Scholar]

59. K&R

:kick:

[Enthusiast]

60. Why wouldn't they have dirt?

They have been listening into every call and reading every e-mail since Bush took office. Obviously the Democratic legislators have compromised themselves.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

63. I was always hoping that someone would crack sometime.

I kept pinning my hopes on deathbed confessions or bitter ex-spouses.

[jazzjunkysue]

71. That was always the basis of the denial: "Too many people would have to be involved..."

Which isn't really true. It doesn't take alot of people to rig a tally computer. Even if you're the guy who installs it, you don't witness the fraud yourself. That's done in code. Code is impossible for most people to read and doesn't show up like a bandit in a stocking cap and a gun at a bank. Code doesn't announce itself unless you tell it to.

[AntiFascist]

65. K&R...

we need more proactive digging, not reaction after an election is stolen.

[druidity33]

70. caveat?

has the stay been lifted? If not, when?

from the link:

"When the stay on the King Lincoln case is lifted, Arnebeck intends to depose Connell, key members of the Rapp family, and says that he will make Spoonamore available as an expert witness and advisor. After discovery, they will amend their complaint as needed and "focus on corrective actions that are necessary for the protection of the 2008 election.""

[unpossibles]

72. kick n/t

[jazzjunkysue]

73. Brought to you by the letters K and R. Miller is amazing. Heard him in person.

The man gives a public discussion that is impossible to refute. He'll say alot more in person than in print. Lots of personal experiences and witnesses he can't really put in print but he'll tell you in person. Like, the fact that Kerry knew when he conceeded that he had actually won, and they cheated.

He's an NYU political science professor. The guy does not fudge or orate. He's not out there for the attention. He's non partison. He refused the entire lecture to come down on either political side. We tried, believe me.

The man is 6 feet of integrity. Trust him.

[demgrrrll]

86. Does he go into why Kerry conceded, was it as we have been told

bad advice from Schrum and Cahill or something else.

[jazzjunkysue]

117. I don't think he elaborated. He was standing next to Kerry at one point and said

to him, "you know, don't you, that youreally won because they changed the votes in Ohio." and Kerry looked and him and agreed. Kerry knew the fix was in and that it was pointless to stand there at that moment and cry fraud. He knew the establishment would just bury him and the bad blood would not be worth it. He knew very few people at that point were willing to admit that fraud had happened. I think he was right. The few people I've tried to discuss this with become enraged at the thought.

[L. Coyote]

119. What could be done by Kerry once the ballots were switched?

Even the recount was pointless in the face of ballot-switching and wrong-precinct voting.
Once in the wrong precinct pile, Kerry ballots recount the same, for Bush. Kerry knows this better than any of us!!!

A case could have been made, that inquiry about the anomolies in votes for judges and ballot measures should have been pursued, but the statistical methods that demonstrate the vote-switching were developed post-election. In fact, no one has yet bothered to do the precinct analysis in the counties with anomalies in voting for judges, even though the statistical methods are now developed. That would be a more reasonable focus than the one Arnebeck points to, the investigation of Triad, just one punch card vendor in mainly Republican counties.

[jazzjunkysue]

126. Right. He knew it was pointless. But why hasn't the senate followed up

with vote analysis legislation? That's the real question.

[Mnemosyne]

75. KnR for optimism! n/t

[drm604]

78. K&R

Here's a related story.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3401373

[lfairban]

80. From the OP Link:

This is a result of the King Lincoln Bronzeville v. Blackwell case that alleges:

Individual voters and three voters' rights groups sued Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell alleging that Blackwell allocated election resources in a racially discriminatory manner . . . The complaint alleged that these actions led to the dilution and/or cancellation of plaintiffs' vote due to . . . long poll lines . . .



Ya think?

[L. Coyote]

102. The suit alleges the State of Ohio did this (Blackwell and those acting in concert with him)

and that is what they must prove to win.

Are they using available evidence to offer proof to the court?
What evidence have they offered to the court?
How have they responded to offers of evidence?
How have they responded to offers of forensic methods?

Those of us involved with the official investigations, with these litigants,
and with this case know the answers are not what others may think is going on!!

There is a big difference between a case existing and how one is litigated.
Of course there is a case about "Whether the rights, privileges, and immunities guaranteed to Plaintiffs by the Civil Rights Act, and the First, Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution have been violated" and that is not the same as a case directed to "the past and ongoing conduct of Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell in connection with past elections in Ohio" to say the very least.

Blackwell and the State of Ohio acting under color of law were the wrong target, especially
when the evidence of the ballot boxes stuffed by ballot-switching is in plain view.

It does not matter if "the rights, privileges, and immunities guaranteed to Plaintiffs by the Civil Rights Act, and the First, Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution have been violated" if the litigants make the wrong case.

[lfairban]

104. That may be part of the same case.

Summary

Individual voters and three voters' rights groups sued Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell alleging that Blackwell allocated election resources in a racially discriminatory manner and instituted racially discriminatory procedures for provisional voting, purging voters from the statewide voter registration database, and maintaining the chain of custody of ballots. The complaint alleged that these actions led to the dilution and/or cancellation of plaintiffs' vote due to ballot cancellation and tampering, long poll lines, mechanical difficulties with voting machines, and unclear precinct boundaries.

Are you saying that "boxes stuffed by ballot-switching" is not part of this case? I am not sure they would need to prove Blackwell was an active party to the stuffing and/or exclusion to make it part of this case since it was Blackwell's job to prevent it.

[L. Coyote]

106. U: Are you saying that "boxes stuffed by ballot-switching" is not part of this case?

The case clearly alleges officials acted "under color of law" in conspiracy with Blackwell.

Is vote-switching legal? No. A court might view such as evidence that there was disenfranchisement
by other actors and other conspiracies not claimed by the plaintiffs in their pleadings.
These litigants might not like such evidence's effect on their ability to win some money!!!

So, to win, do these plaintiffs benefit by obfuscating the actual election fraud? MAYBE!! That would explain a lot!!

[kimmerspixelated]

84. Pinch me, I must be dreaming!

I'm beside myself with excitement and joy! PigBoy's time has come!!

[nikto]

98. The Death Penalty MUST have some place here...

I mean, fer Crissake! This involved TAKING OVER THE FRIKKIN'
COUNTRY AND GOING TO WAR ILLEGALLY.

If the Death Penalty doesn't apply to any convictions here,
then what's the use of the Death penalty, anyway?

ROVE deserves more than long-term imprisonment----
HE DESERVES LETHAL INJECTION.


The last 500 people put to death in this country deserved it
less than ROVE does.
(Yes! Rove deserves the DP Even more than Ted Bundy--Because the stolen elections resulted in
FAR MORE DEATHS than even Ted Bundy caused. Not even close.)

[kimmerspixelated]

122. couldn't agree more.

[mdmc]

91. Cool! Others are joining Nader to make sure elections aren't stolen

cool:toast:

[mdmc]

92. Cool! Others are joining Nader to make sure elections aren't stolen

cool:toast:

[MetaTrope]

94. Sooooo...is it the Republican plan to "prove" election fraud when Dems take a landslide?

[lynettebro440]

95. Seeing people jumping ship

is a really good sign. It's a lot like the nixon times. It took just a few who couldn't take the pressure or wanting their name to go down in the crap pool which nixon took them, they got out seemingly free from the real shit.

It's a good sign, been waiting a long, long time for these crooks an thieves to get busted. That skinner guy better keep an eye behind him or he will be ending up committing suicide in some florida flea bag hotel. It's happened to more then I think people realize.

[femrap]

96. Anyone got a picture of

this creep, Mike Connell? Thx.

[thenext8seconds]

97. Has anyone tried sending this story to Keith Olbermann

Everyone should... This MUST get some coverage in the media!

[L. Coyote]

99. PLEASE explain why anyone would trust a "GOP whistle-blower" who

offers nothing useful?

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

105. K&R. We MUST drag these vampires out into the sun.

[Ellipsis]

112. "Then, there’s the "scary thing." Conell and Bob Ney connection

http://lonestaricon.com/AbsoluteNM/anmviewer.asp?a=2186

...


"We’ve got this guy (Connell) hooked up with Karl Rove back when Bush was governor of Texas. Then this guy hooked up with Jeb Bush and created the very, very first GOP website," Kimberlin said.

Then, there’s the "scary thing."

Within a month Bush first took office, Connell’s GovTech became the first private corporation to gain access behind the firewall of all Congress’ computer servers.

This means that he and the GOP can basically spy on every single House committee without worry.

"All their emails. All their folders. Anything that has to do with their web technology, he knows what’s going on," Kimberlin said.

So who helped get Connell the contract?

Bob Ney.

[L. Coyote]

118. Interesting article, but I see some disinformation in it too.

This passage seems to be a false flag:

"There’s Ohio in 2004 when his company, SmartTech, ran election results through his computers before releasing them to Ken Blackwell’s Secretary of State office."

This is backwards, as best I can determine. The Ohio SoS office collected the election results, then updated the online data from the State database at intervals. SmartTech served up the data online and the Ohio SoS office refreshed it at intervals.

Of course, that error does not alter other interesting aspects of the Connell story:

The long and the short of it is that Karl Rove and Ken Mehlman (RNC chairman, 2005-2007) created political documents at the White House. These documents were then shared with Connell and corporations such as AT&T to push the Bush administration’s political agenda.

"You can’t use political operatives at the White House for election issues," he added. "It’s a violation of the Hatch Act."

And there is probably more illegal activity just waiting to be uncovered, considering with whom Bush and Connell associate, says Kimberlin.

"I believe this guy (Connell) is the equivalent of the Watergate plumbers. I mean, there are so many folks in the Bush administration that are former Nixonites like Cheney and Rumsfeld," said Kimberlin ...

Source: http://lonestaricon.com/AbsoluteNM/anmviewer.asp?a=2186

And, that is why Karl Rove was fired on the heels of the OSC inquiry, and why Scott Bloch is under persecution by Rovians now.

We should also ask why Ken Mehlman was brought back into the White House. Obviously, not because they were refuting past mistakes and crimes!!

[Crabby Appleton]

125. You are correct

"This is backwards, as best I can determine. The Ohio SoS office collected the election results, then updated the online data from the State database at intervals. SmartTech served up the data online and the Ohio SoS office refreshed it at intervals."

Local Ohio election boards provide unofficial results to the SoS by a variety of methods including phone & fax as soon as possible after the polls close and votes counted locally - that is the information you see on various web sites on election night. The official count is performed by the local BoE, certified and official paper forms signed (2 signed copies, one kept), and the official certified copy is sent by certified snail mail to SoS The same information is also reported to SoS usually by fax, but phone or other method can be used. The official certified results go to SoS by certified snail mail.

[bjobotts]

113. Yeah but Mukasey will block it. Dem & repub leaders are the Money party.

[NeoTheo]

115. So,

like the fact that this administration is a group or criminals is somehow news? To me that question was answered a long time ago, the real question is, is anyone going to do anything about it. Given the current condition of the American (collective) spine, the answer is quite demonstrably NO. Americans have been pacified to the point that at best there will be a group sigh and maybe a statement that we wish things were different and maybe we'll throw in something about hope for the future.

But, as an old friend of mine was fond of saying, Hope is not a plan!