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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:42 PM
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TYT: The "D" Word
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 05:46 PM by ihavenobias

By Cenk Uygur

When I was growing up as a young Republican dork, I was told that "regulation" was a bad word. Sensible people were for less government regulation. Socialists were for more government regulation because they liked big government controlling the markets and your life. And most of all they loved red tape that inhibited business.

And to this day, I still shudder when I hear the word "regulation." It sounds so nasty and socialist. That's the power of brainwashing.

Here's the only problem -- it turns out you totally and completely need regulation. Without government regulation, the excesses of the market go unchecked and we constantly have financial meltdowns. Kind of like ... now.

Of course, the right answer is balance. Too much government regulation does slow down business and get to a point where it inhibits growth. Too little regulation means there is no one to watch over the excessive risks that corporations take for short-term profit and we have economic collapses that are then dumped on the American taxpayer.

Complete deregulation is an intellectually indefensible position. It is also the current Republican platform. We have been trained, and yes even brainwashed, into believing that the government is a bad thing and the less you have of it, the better. That is until of course your house is burning down, then all of a sudden government help -- in the form of the fire department -- seems like a pretty good idea.

The reason we have government is because it serves a role that we need in society. Police, fire department, public education, common defense and financial regulation of the markets. If you don't have a check on insider trading, the rich get richer and the average guy gets screwed. So, you need the cops of Wall Street. But this isn't just the Securities and Exchange Commission. It is every regulatory agency that watches over the financial industry to protect the interests of all of us.

Even Adam Smith realized the need for government regulation. And it is a perverse situation we find ourselves in that I even have to make the case for such fundamental and obvious points. But yet, here is the campaign for one of the major party candidates for president hiring as their top economic adviser the man who embodies this bloodlust for limitless deregulation. This is probably the one person who best represents all that is wrong with radical deregulation. His name is Phil Gramm.

If you liked Enron, you'll love Phil Gramm. And you'll also love his wife, who helped to deregulate the energy industry which Enron took advantage of, before they collapsed -- and then got paid millions for it from... Enron!

The Gramm family has been deregulating America at a furious pace and getting paid handsomely in the forms of legal bribes from the likes of Enron and Swiss Bank (let alone the millions contributed to Phil Gramm's campaigns through all of the top banks throughout the decades). David Corn has a must read article about this financial merry-go-round that you can look at here. Everyone gets paid and then when they run out of money, they stick us with the bill.

Unless you're a highly paid executive in the financial industry, you'd have to be crazy or ignorant to repeat the mantra of deregulation at this point in our history. We have deregulated to the bone and we now see the consequences. Bear Stearns, Enron, Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac, Indy Mac and the list threatens to grow to 150 other banks. Now is not the time for deregulation.

Democrats must insist on further regulation if they are going to agree to bailing out all these companies and institutions. No more free rides on our dime. Republicans claim to care about your taxpayer dollars and then they shovel it over to their corporate friends. There's nothing wrong with corporations. I'm a die hard capitalist. But in capitalism corporations need the help of the government in regulating a balanced playing field so no one abuses the system. That kind of regulation doesn't hurt corporations, it helps them.

You know what hurts corporations -- laissez faire economics with unlimited deregulation. Enron lobbied for deregulation -- and then it cost them their company. Phil Gramm's Swiss Bank wanted deregulation and then they lost $37 billion in the ensuing financial meltdown. Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

Finally, the idea of putting Phil Gramm, and his acolyte John McCain, in the Oval Office to reek destruction on our economy again is a frightening thought. Imagine the damage they could do with four more years. If you like the economic meltdown we're in the middle of, then you'll love the McCain presidency. These guys are the financial equivalent of the neocons. They are financial radicals who have taken over the system. The idea of putting them back in charge is absolutely unthinkable.

It is the job of the press to let the public know what the realities are. Enron didn't happen out of nowhere. Bear Stearns didn't go down for no reason. There were real reasons behind the downfall of these companies and the meltdown of the markets. There were real actions taken by real people that led to this disaster. One of the primary culprits was Phil Gramm. If the American people knew that, they might not be so ready to put his pupil in the Oval Office. In fact, they'd be crazy to do that. But if they don't know that because the press never told them ...
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:58 PM
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1. Our system simply doesn't work
If it requires that level of regulation. As plenty of people have pointed out, a Corp's legal DUTY is to make a profit. They will do that any way they can regardless of regulation or the lack thereof.

As it stands, short term profit and bailing before the inevitable crash & burn is the only way to win in our system.

Time to dustbin it.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:21 PM
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8. So what do you suppose should replace it?
I t is easy to say "the system doesn't work. Scrap it." But what is better than well regulated capitalism? That is what we had in the 40's and fifties and most of the Sixties. The most middle class creating time in American History. What do you think is better?
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:01 PM
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10. Amen
We had regulated capitalism in this country before Reagan began dismantling it.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:14 PM
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2. The regulations in place
are equally to blame for the situation we are in now. There is no free market, it doesn't take 12,000 pages to delineate a free trade agreement, it does take 12,000 pages to set up a system to subjugate the meek.

A central banking system with fiat currency will always seek to control trade through protectionist schemes that favor those who write the agreements, and that ain't the working man.

Same shit, different assholes. BOHICA

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:24 PM
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3. How are those airlines doing?
:shrug:

That sure worked.

Recommend - excellent statement by Cenk.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:54 PM
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5. They're doing great!. It's all in your head Gately...
Come to think of it, the psychiatric industry should be booming considering most of our economic problems are just psychological.

Why doesn't McCain replace Phil Gramm with a team of shrinks?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:03 PM
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6. "Why doesn't McCain replace Phil Gramm with a team of shrinks?"
:rofl:
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:53 PM
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4. K&R n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:13 PM
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7. K&R
:kick:
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:34 PM
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9. I have an uncle who was an NYU economics professor
He was a big proponent of deregulation in the 70's. Now he's pissed because a lot of the theories that were proposed back then haven't worked out so well recently.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:04 PM
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11. "It is the job of the press to let the public know what the realities are"
"But if they don't know that because the press never told them ..."

Interesting - so Cenk's piece ultimately is saying that the press is not doing it's job.....press as opposed to MSM? One and the same?

Good article to use with Repuke acquaintances who argue that "Less government is better..." or, "Repukes are for less government."

BUT

MSM is controlled by corporate America......why would they want the masses to know the truth? It is to their advantage to keep the masses in the dark, uninformed, and divided.

Gosh, if the masses were to unite under the leadership of a dynamic, progressive leader, wonder what would happen?
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:12 PM
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12. You nailed it when you wrote "Good article to use with Repuke acquaintances"
I'm getting ready to send this to some people who view themselves as moderates and independents.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:34 PM
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14. Oh geez, don't get me started on the press.
This is just one of the thousands and thousands of ways our current media has failed us.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:33 PM
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13. Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime .. .
Unregulated capitalism is merely and only organized crime ---

Capitalism is a ridiculous "King-of-the-Hill" system --- intended to move
assets and wealthy from the many to the few.

Capitalism is not about competition --- it's about killing the competition.

FDR regulated capitalism to some degree; however, we never really had economic
democracy. Even though we didn't exactly have monopolies, we did permit
corporations --- like the car manufacturers -- to grow to sizes which
impeded competition. Tucker story is but one example of that.



I'd find it hard to believe that people at DU don't "get it" re capitalism --- ???
I take for granted that they do --

and that they quite understand that at the moment we're living thru a new period
of WELFARE for the rich and free enterprise for the poor.

We should insist that any company bailed out now belongs to the American taxpayers
-- and ensure that it is not reprivatized.

We had now almost 30 years of deregulation and more --
and we're on our way to a Republican "third world America" --
a dollar bill in the gutter -- and the bankrupting of our Treasury.

As for corporations, they were to arise to do specific jobs and then be folded.

Royalty/elites found that they could morph into corporations and it gave them
another avenue to co-opt the people's government.


Seriously ... anyone think that Ken Lay or Phil Gramm didn't understand that stealing
from the public might have a bad outcome?

























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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:36 PM
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15. "...any company bailed out now belongs to the American taxpayers"
Hmmmm.....interesting idea!
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:37 PM
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18. You would be surprised by how many people still do not get it!
I know I am!
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 11:11 AM
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20. GREAT post!. And, you stinker! Here I go, scurrying to read your journal, and you don't have one?!
I think there are a lot of ppl who could benefit from your description of the history of capitalism in this country.

Create a journal, ok? Of, if not, please post this as a topic to help ensure that it gets more exposure - great pieces such as yours get buried within a thread, IMHO.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 02:09 PM
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22. What's a journal . . . ???
Coincidentally, I have 30 journals from over 20 years of keeping notes . . .
but am only now trying to organize them so I can get some of the info in them
maybe posted here . . . a bit at a time.

You know . . . the best line on capitalism comes from a comedian . . .

"It's a ridiculous King-of-the-Hill System" . . .

you never know where you're going to find wisdom!


Thanks for you kind comments ---
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:41 PM
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16. Phil Gramm is enough reason for anyone and everyone to vote for Obama.
Of course, thanks to our tabloid media system, the majority of Americans don't know the real Phil, only the stupid comments he makes.

Interesting commentary by Cenk. Can't say I disagree - I'm just fine with regulation. I'm certainly no economist, but I think an economy somewhere in between socialism and capitalism is the answer. Corporations are the new rebellious teenagers and like teenagers today, there's no consequences for their actions. We shake our heads and say "tsk, tsk" and then give them a brand new Lexus at their $75,000 Sweet Sixteen party.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:56 PM
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17. Exactly
An economy somewhere between capitalism and socialism. You're 100% right.
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fight4my3sons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 08:15 AM
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19. k&r
:kick:
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 02:04 PM
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21. K & R
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 02:12 PM
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23. Government is a nuisance for the very rich, who don't like being
told that they have to contribute to the public sphere.

UNTIL

They get in trouble, at which point Government is very good for a quick hand up.

At the very basic bedrock of things.. Government is the People's Lobby. . (or should be.)
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