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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 01:43 AM
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U.S. Military to Patrol Internet
http://www.upi.com/Emerging_Threats/2008/06/30/Analysis_US_military_to_patrol_Internet/UPI-83401214841029/


30 Jun 2008 The U.S. military is looking for a contractor to patrol cyberspace, watching for warning signs of forthcoming terrorist attacks or other hostile activity on the Web. In a solicitation posted on the Web last week, the U.S. Army's Fifth Signal Command said it was looking for a contractor to provide "Internet awareness services" to support "force protection" -- the term of art for the security of U.S. military installations and personnel. "The purpose of the services will be to identify and assess stated and implied threat, antipathy, unrest and other contextual data relating to selected Internet domains," says the solicitation. The solicitation says the successful contractor will "analyze various Web pages, chat rooms, blogs and other Internet domains to aggregate and assess data of interest."

Sorry if this is old. From CLG 7/9/08, and I don't remember seeing anything here about it.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 01:46 AM
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1. k&r'd
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 01:47 AM
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2. I'm glad to see this. Terrorists are always trying to blow up the Internet.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 01:50 AM
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3. I'm sure the terrorists will put all their plans on their websites....
Yep, that's the right place to look...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 01:52 AM
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4. LOL.
What's to stop some bonehead from calling you a terrorist or me or for that matter any poster at DU.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 01:56 AM
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5. oh I know. IT's just the very idea that this adminsistration LETS BIn Laden walk into
Pakistan, then sends homeland security over and over again to Hawaii for conferences, and the military is going to look for terra on the internets....?
bizarro world.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 02:00 AM
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7. Gotsta have mo wo somewhere now.
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sentelle Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:26 AM
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57. how we all seem to forget.
Per the USA-Patriot act, the attorney general, or the POTUS have the ability to define who is a terrorist.

This means, either one can write on paper that DU (or the Democratic Party for that matter) has been designated as a terrorist org, and it becomes legal to wire tap, read email, examine your ISP's records, your library records, your bank accounts, your employment history, even seize your computer. This is all 100% legal.

Its amazing how people can talk about how the democrats are possibly being blackmailed, without remembering that they allowed it to happen, legally.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:29 AM
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23. Now I'm picturing Facebook invites to insurgent attack events. (nt)
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #3
30. www.evildoers.com
Or www.wehateyouforyourfreedoms.org
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 01:48 PM
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31. oh I love the second name. right on.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 09:16 AM
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60. When's the last time you were there?
Both links now dead.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 01:58 AM
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6. Sure, like agent Mike won't get the contract renewed or something.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 02:01 AM
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8. What our military and contractors can't work together side by side and take clean showers or have
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 02:02 AM by lonestarnot
clean drinking water at the same time? And on edit: Doesn't Bev Harris have Agent Mike all tied up with that black box voting deal?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 02:23 AM
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9. And you know how he loves to be tied up and forced to reveal classified info.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:05 AM
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20. Agent Mike turned...she's on their hit list
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:33 AM
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25. My question is
with the watchers watching the watchers who's left watching the watchers?
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 03:55 AM
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10. "analyze various Web pages, chat rooms, blogs and other...
Internet domains to aggregate and assess data of interest."

I don't like it but I thought they were doing this already.

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BalancedGoat Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:03 AM
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11. Probably.
But why do it yourself when you can use taxpayers' money to pay someone else to do it for you?

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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:25 AM
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22. I would have thought the CIA or NSA etc not the Army
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 10:30 AM by lostnfound
My sense -- which could be wrong -- is that this could introduce a new level of intolerance for dissent.
I.e., there's a difference between attempts to identify and stop those who are actually organizing actions vs enforcing a ban on all dissent.
The inability of the administration to distinguish between "terrorism" and anti-globalization/pro-labor/pro-environmental movements has been alarming and irritating; but will the net be cast even wider now, to encompass even simpler forms of political dissent?
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 03:40 AM
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52. They definitely are.
My firewall was getting a lot of hits from military domains for a while, and they weren't sending me recruiting announcements.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:09 AM
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12. 5th rec. maybe if the soldiers did it themselves they'd be a lot safer
patrolling the internet than what they are made to patrol now.

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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:25 AM
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13. forget "Hey, Agent Mike" . . . now it's "What's up, Sgt. Bilko?" . . . n/t
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:16 AM
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14. funny how the title says it's the military
and the story says it's a private firm. hey big brother, i want a revolution just like the revolution my forefathers had. you know, the one that culminated in the declaration of independence, the constitution, and the bill of rights.

patrol me you motherfuckers. i have a blog. i'm sure DU will be high on the list and i'm here all the time speaking my mind and reading and learning about the daily outrages associated with the regime currently in power in the USA. why aren't their crimes being patrolled?

notice how it includes "antipathy, unrest" - jeezus keerist there is "antipathy, unrest" everywhere. "data of interest" - fuck them. fuck them, fuck them, fuck them.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 02:00 AM
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48. One of the advantages of privitizing is avoiding scrutiny.
Military must follow rules.

Private corporations seem to flaunt rules as an everyday occurance, then if and when they're caught breaking them, they purchase new laws. (telecom immunity for a recent example)

I keep thinking of Total Information Awareness.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 02:49 AM
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51. "Antipathy, unrest"? Are you serious?
Re notice how it includes "antipathy, unrest" - jeezus keerist there is "antipathy, unrest" everywhere.

Yup, that's pretty much the whole freakin' country! Is EVERYONE who disapproves of Bush a "subversive" now? That's close to 80% of the population! So is the remaining 20% of hardcore kool-aid driners going to watch the other 80% of us, like in the old Soviet Union?

Agent Mike--or is it Sgt. Mike now?--we all KNOW what happened to the old Soviet Union. Just a friendly little reminder, doncha know.

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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:41 AM
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15. Sounds like they need more tools. I hope they negotiated this
in there FISA bill.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:36 AM
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16. Looking for a contractor to do what would otherwise be illegal
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 07:38 AM by formercia
for the military to do themselves.

Bin LaLa page of upcoming events, yeah, sure.

Let me explain how the game works in the real world. You want to illegally monitor US citizens but you can't get funding for that blatantly obvious program, so you come up with a bogus program, something with the word 'terrorist' in the title to promote a veneer of legality. Once you have the money appropriated and the personnel allocated, you cancel the original project as undoable and use the resourced for your original intended goal.

This is not an imaginary scenario, but I have personally seen it done with 'black' programs to disguise the destination of funding.

Even in the imaginary world of movie land, this game is played out.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 12:19 PM
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26. How can it be legal for a Corporation to violate our constitutional rights?
I don't get it.

The identity of the criminal shouldn't alter the determination of whether the action is a crime or not, should it?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 03:15 PM
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33. Companies collect private information on citizens
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 03:19 PM by formercia
and sell the databases to the government, yet if the government collected that information, it would be illegal. Some laws, such as the Hatch Act does not apply to contractors.

The Administration is required to save electronic communications, but using a contractor that periodically purges the private servers where the emails were stored, provides a cutout to circumvent the law.

I expect that many examples will come to light showing how Bush gang attempted to get around laws by using private contractors and political operatives as cutouts.
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TonyClifton Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 04:14 AM
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54. How does surfing the net violate your rights?
Some people on here (you) are so hysterical and rediculous
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:08 AM
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58. Strawman much?
Dear troll,

I would appreciate it if you could point to, specifically, with a hyperlink, and quotes, where I ever said that surfing the net was a violation of my rights.

If you could do that, I'll PayPal you $1000.

Longtime DU member,
file83
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:16 AM
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17. Where can we sign up? I'd point the US military to pertinent sites. nt
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 12:07 AM
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42. They should look at Free Republic and the National Rifle Association
sites first. That is where the violent types congregate.

DU is a waste of time if they are looking for terrorists. The most violent act we DUers perform is hitting our computer keyboard a bit too hard from time to time. (The letters have worn off some of my keys, so I guess I had better restrain myself a bit.) Oh, I did attack some weeds in my garden this afternoon, not to mention the bulbs I pulled up for replanting next fall.

I also attempted to get rid of some ants that invaded my house a couple of weeks ago. I've been about as successful in my personal battle with the ants as Bush has been in Iraq -- not very.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:19 AM
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18. Another way to funnel money to their contractor buddies.
Follow the money.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:02 AM
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19. Whose side are you on anyway?
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 10:03 AM by windoe
A question for all lurkers. You actually believe it is American citizens who need to be watched, for saying the wrong words or discussing possibilities-- or should you be watching people responsible for mass murder, treason, war crimes and crimes against humanity and the Earth? If you have children, what kind of future do you envision, where American citizens do not trust each other?

You have to make a living, but you are allied against your own neighbors and friends, not anyone here or anywhere on the most popular blogs or websites will you ever come across the types of sociopaths you will easily find in plain sight in the places of power in this country.

This country is turning upside down, with the criminals in charge and innocent people being made to feel as if they are the guilty ones. We can stop this now, if everyone, including lurkers, decide not to turn against innocent Americans in any way.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:31 AM
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24. Here here!
So freakin' creepy.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:16 AM
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21. They're going to pour oil into the 'series of tubes' and muck it up.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 12:12 AM
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43. That'd be a PR disaster. Oil is valuable. They'll pour anthrax into the tubes. Homing anthrax.
Homing anthrax will recognize a terrorist poster by the aggressiveness of his or her keystrokes.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 12:22 PM
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27. "antipathy, unrest and other contextual data relating to selected Internet domains,"
There's the real purpose.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 12:41 PM
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28. K&R They should be wire tapping and data mining the White House.
If they want to find the real terrorist.
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 12:48 PM
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29. I can see some new private from the Bible belt assigned to patrol 4chan.

LOL - he'll never want to use the internet again.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 01:52 PM
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32. i hope the military plans on protecting our boys from VIEDS -virtual improvised explosive devices...
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 01:52 PM by QuestionAll
maybe they could pay halliburton and blackwater to handle security for that aspect of the mission.
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pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:28 PM
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34. oh,. THIS is what Jack Bauer would do. n/t
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:32 PM
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35. Keyboard Commandos, Uncle Sam wants you!!
I can see their inboxes being flooded by freepers on day one, and the staff quitting. :rofl:
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 08:20 PM
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36. the NSA already does this.
dumbass military retards are too stupid to know that, though.
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EbenezerMcIntosh Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 08:28 PM
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37. This is not a military function.
It is the function of fucking fascists, though. What's the difference, now?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 12:12 AM
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44. It is now - look at the new Air Force logo
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 12:17 AM
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46. Very interesting
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 04:57 AM
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55. eek
i just watched "1984" for the first time yesterday. creepy logo, creepy slogan. that's not my air force. is that real?
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 11:35 PM
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38. Gives new meaning to the phrase, UNCLE SAM WANTS YOU. This country is going down the tubes fast.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 11:45 PM
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39. I think I will start a company and bid.
I will call it...

STASI.

It seems appropriate enough and I don't think it's taken.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 11:54 PM
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40. Is this illegal yet?
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 12:00 AM
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41. is that not pretty good privacy?
me thinks
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 12:16 AM
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45. ..terrorist attacks OR OTHER HOSTILE ACTIVITY on the web

or other hostile activity
or other hostile activity
or other hostile activity
or other hostile activity
or other hostile activity
or other hostile activity


Like what? Strikes? EFFECTIVE protests that do more than assuage aggression and alleviate guilt?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 01:11 AM
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47. Kand R
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 02:37 AM
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49. Let's look on the bright side. It's WAY cheaper to patrol the Internet.
You don't have to worry about providing the troops with body armor that actually protects them, or pay for treating them for PTSD and exposure to depleted uranium when they get home...IF they get home.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 02:42 AM
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50. Is it Fascism yet?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 09:17 AM
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61. is it pitchforks and torches time yet?
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skyounkin Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 04:13 AM
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53. Hmmmmmm
Maybe I should change my legal name to Albert Kada. It would be a neat way to meet new people.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 04:59 AM
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56. then
i can call you al?
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 09:13 AM
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59. i must be a prime suspect -- i've slaughtered Navy SEALS
British SAS, French GIGN and German GSG-9 while playing Counter-Strike...

Arctic Avengers 4 LYFE
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