I know for a fact that Bush will attack Iran

[angrycarpenter]

I live in a small town 50 miles east of an air force base. Today they were training for a very specific mission using our defunct WW II airstrip.

There were jets making bombing runs, with blackhawks flying the perimeter along with single engine spotter planes.

At one point two jets came over our town with afterburners roaring to swoop low over the airport just to turn around and do it again. This is not normal. Military jets are a common sight here but they are usually prohibited from using afterburners over populated areas.

This was not just a regular exercise. It was practice for a very specific target. I am sure that our little seaside town bears a superficial resemblance to some other town in Iran.

A woman in the supermarket parking lot was looking up at the helo circling our town and saw me looking up also and asked "what are they doing?" I said simply "Practicing for the planned attack on Iran". She seemed shocked as if the idea had not occurred to her. All she had to say was "OMG" and walked sadly into the store.

[Swamp Rat]

1. Maybe they are planning for the next hurricane to hit New Orleans?

They did not kill enough of us the first time.

[gateley]

11. "...They did not kill enough of us the first time."

:cry: :hug:

[Heidi]

14. !

How quickly people forget

:hug:

[EFerrari]

48. How do you get to Carnegie Hall?

:grr:

[dixiegrrrrl]

52. Practice practice practice

[cliffordu]

63. Great Graphic as usual, Swamp Rat....

:patriot:

[Windy]

2. I agree that its going to happen. They are priming the pump.

there was a report on UPI that the Israeli air force is using US bases in Iraq for exercises.

[Philosoraptor]

3. A soldier I know in Iraq told me something historic is coming.

Of course he couldn't say what.

[roamer65]

9. World War III.

That's what coming and we'll be in the role of Nazi Germany this time around.

[Swamp Rat]

10. Can we guess?

[roamer65]

51. I love your pictures, SwampRat.

They are fucking great!

[liberalla]

67. sounds ominous

Did he seem nervous, anxious, excited? Any time frame?

[cyclezealot]

4. That is why the only recourse to stop his war

is to demand impeachment.

[NNN0LHI]

8. How will impeachment proceedings stop any war?

Can you explain that to me?

Don

[cyclezealot]

33. I predict he will launch a war with Iran should Obama win

If he is not president , he won't. And if not impeached, it might weaken him so, he won't launch his war? ? / Any other ideas as to how to stop his little war.

[rhett o rick]

44. Of course he won't launch if he isn't president. But to get him out of office

he has to be impeached then tried in the Senate. I hate to tell you but the Senate won't even stand up to him when he wants to abolish the fourth Amendment. Not possible to get him out of office between now and January.

As far as the "weaken him so he won't launch" I disagree. I think he would act like a wounded bear. Just sayin.

[SmileyRose]

49. That won't stop it.

Yes, Bush needs impeachment - along with incarceration. But there will be plenty of warmongers left behind in his Admin to make sure it gets done. The only option to stop it is getting a President Pelosi and that is just not going to happen.

[sarcasmo]

45. War with Iran would create WWIII, which in this era of King George could create Martial Law

No election needed, election suspended, it's a lot of tin foil, but I put nothing past King George.

[Fire Walk With Me]

64. They profit from destruction, both socially and financially. Disaster Capitalism.

Katrina (social), Iraq (international oil monopoly/no bid contracts), denial of global warming, obstruction of 9/11 investigations, etc..

Look at their track record and how they made money prior to stealing office (and that the DID steal the office) and it's not too hard to extrapolate what they could do, given more time to continue using the same tactics.

They like torture. They've asked for it to be legal, have lied about it, and done nothing to stop it. Extrapolate from there as well.

[Voice for Peace]

61. I think impeachment is going to happen.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3610094

[rhett o rick]

35. How will that stop the war? nm

[NNN0LHI]

5. And you know for a fact this is for Iran exactly how?

More like Venezuela. Just watch.

Don

[gateley]

13. Could you give more info - insight? Thanks. nt

[NNN0LHI]

16. Venezuela is just a lot easier pickings than Iran

And they have just about just as much oil if not more.

And it wouldn't throw the whole world into an uproar like attacking Iran would.

All of our Green Zone personnel would have to evacuated before any attack on Iran because that place is set to be leveled. The logistics involved rule that out.

Don

[gateley]

18. Thanks.

Interesting point about the Green Zone and logistics. Never thought of that. (Has Bushco? :7)

It's awful that with this administration we're kind of on pins and needles afraid of what they're going to do next.

[AndyTiedye]

23. They Would Sacrifice the "Green Zone" to Get a Pretext For Going to War

Israel starts it, and we join in after Iran hits the Green Zone in retaliation.

This really sucks.

[NNN0LHI]

26. Be awful hard to get some wonk to "volunteer" for the next Green Zone job don't you think?

[AndyTiedye]

27. It's Getting Awfully Hard for Them to Get Volunteers Anyway

McInsane will start up the draft if he is elected. You can count on that.

[JustAnotherGen]

24. That's interesting -

Thanks for the perspective. I might even be more sad/upset/angry if we were to attack Venezuela. I'm tad bit of an Isolationist but I would like to live in a Hemisphere that works together. We should look North and South and say - we have no other place to go. No more new frontier. How can 'local' trade help our economies and the environment.

God help us either way. :-(

[dixiegrrrrl]

55. "All of our Green Zone personnel would have to evacuated"

yeah, right, 'cause we all know how much the Regime cares for its soldiers and civilians.
Not to mention Bush history on evacuations and protecting folks in emergencies.
The only evacuations will be contractor bosses and maybe key Blackwater, military folks.
Everyone else in the Green Zone is replaceable slave labor or cubical farm folks.
I am betting Rove and Cheney will be perched in big ass chairs deep in the Mountain sanctuary.

[cherokeeprogressive]

6. No, you don't.

[calimary]

7. Not surprising. The "powers that be" probably figure they're running out of time

and have nothing left to lose.

PARTICULARLY WHEN NOBODY'S DOING JACKSHIT TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING THEY'VE ALREADY DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry to shout, but this just makes me SO furious!!!!

They'll probably look on it as "going out with a bang," one "last roar" while they still have the power and the opportunity to flex their muscles.

And who will stand up to them?

The track record for that so far is rawther unimpressive. Hell, if I were one of these assholes, that's absolutely how I'd be thinking about it. "Like anybody's really gonna do anything against it. Yeah. SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE. Bite me. What can they do about it anyway? Let's see 'em try to stop me."

[exothermic]

12. Er, I don't think "know" and "fact" mean what you think they do...

:shrug:

[angrycarpenter]

15. fine, maybe that was a bit strong of a statement.

but taken along with all of the other stuff in the news it makes a pretty strong case.

In my mind there is no question, they will attack Iran and there is little anyone can do to stop them.

I am glad you still have hope but seeing what I saw today killed any remaining hope I had.

[hack89]

17. The Blawkhawks don't make sense

any attack on Iran would be air power and cruise missiles. There is no need to put soldiers on the ground.

I doubt what you saw was anything important - they wouldn't be practicing for a secret attack in such a public place. The military has vast expanses of remote land both here and overseas to practice in secret.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

20. Bingo.

Any training they would do for something like an attack on anything, an attack that involves coordination of elements, would be run at Nellis, TwentyNine Palms, Rosey Roads, of somewhere like that.

The less eyes seeing it the better, or so the legend goes.

[MnFats]

34. how do we know they're not alrready doing this?

wouldn't this administration have some super-secret bases for that -- or for any offensive training?

Me, I tend to get worried when I start seeing lots of high-altitude bombers from North Dakota pass overhead, all going from west to (unkown) points east...and none coming back the other way...(have not seen that lately, I must say

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

40. We don't.

That said, if you have not seen that lately, then consider it a blessing.

[roamer65]

22. They would be needed in the Khuzestan Gambit scenario.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/oplan-1002.htm

Read section 1002-04

Khuzestan province contains 90% of Iran's oil resources and is right next to Shi'a Iraq. Khuzestan is majority Shi'a Arab, not Persian.

[hack89]

46. We don't have enough forces in place to pull that off

if you could show the transfer of heavy (ie armor) forces to the area then perhaps you might have something.

[AndyTiedye]

25. Of Course They Will Need Soldiers on the Ground

They just haven't admitted it yet, because then we would know that they are going to start up the draft.

[hack89]

43. That makes no sense at all

America won't stand for a draft. The military does not want a draft.

[eddie01]

50. You are...

...spot on.

While an attack on Iran is possible, this post is paranoid nonsense.

[Occulus]

62. I CLEARLY recall exactly such an OP here garnering *exactly* your response

PRIOR TO OUR INVASION OF IRAQ.

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[onenote]

19. bookmarked so we can review what you "know for a fact" at a later date

[angrycarpenter]

21. we who?

what group do you represent that would save posts to tear them apart at a later date.

[onenote]

47. feeling insecure? If you know what you know for a "fact"

then your post won't get torn apart at a later date, will it?

[rhett o rick]

39. Like I am going to care at a later date what this poster said. nm

[Douglas Carpenter]

28. rising oil prices which will likely hit $300 to $400 dollars a barrel are a fairly strong deterrent

for an attack.

Risking the destruction of much of world's oil infrastructure would also be a very strong deterrent against such an attack.

The opinion of almost the entire Pentagon and CIA leadership would also be a very strong deterrent against such an attack.

Abandoning permanently any faint hope of stability in Iraq should also be a significant deterrent against such an attack.

The almost certain collapse of the American economy and most of the world economy would also be a very strong deterrent against such an attack.

I'm not saying it is impossible. In fact it is all too possible.

But I would certainly hope that even the Bush Administration is not that insane.

" I think of war with Iran as the ending of America's present role in the world. Iraq may have been a preview of that, but it's still redeemable if we get out fast. In a war with Iran, we'll get dragged down for 20 or 30 years. The world will condemn us. We will lose our position in the world."

Zbigniew Brzezinski, Vanity Fair, 2006.

[AntiFascist]

32. Maybe they want to go out with a bang....

the defense companies and related companies like Halliburton profit tremendously when we go to war. This would allow them to drain the (future) Treasury even more, while the rest us go down. Maybe they think the they can survive and take over while the rest of America becomes irrelevant. I wish the rest of us would wake up!

[Mudoria]

29. Not going to happen.

[two gun sid]

30. I do not believe an attack on Iran is going to happen

All these reports about an attack these last few weeks seem to originate from right-wing/PNAC sources i.e. Bolton, Pipes, Kristol. I think it is a psyop that is meant to scare the Iranians and the US electorate.

I also think our military will be doing more training and war games here at home and on the cheap because they just can't afford to do it any other way. I wouldn't be too worried just yet.

[rhett o rick]

38. Fair enough, but what do you predict will happen should Obama win in Nov??

That is will King George of Bush and Darth Cheney leave peacefully? Will they move out of the country? Just curious what you think.

[two gun sid]

41. I think they'll keep trying to scare us with more talk...

about Iran's nuclear capabilities. The neocons have crippled our military, we have no allies and Israel has her own problems with Hamas and Hezbollah on her flanks. They plan on leaving Obama, and he will win this election, without a viable military so they can use that as a political point they can drive home during his term. George and Dick will not leave the country. The historical revisionists will spend the rest of their lives trying to convince people how lucky we were to have such great leaders during this holy war they started. Like they did with Nixon and Reagan.

That's what I think will happen. I want to make it clear I am not in favor of pre-emptive war and I think that the neocons are criminally insane. I think that this war on terror is a complete joke and I served in the military in the Persian Gulf in the mid to late '80's.

[jillan]

31. Let's hope Biden, as the chair of the SFRC, sticks to his words----

"The president has no authority to unilaterally attack Iran, and if he does, as Foreign Relations Committee chairman, I will move to impeach," said Biden, whose words were followed by a raucous applause from the local audience.

Biden said he is in the process of meeting with constitutional law experts to prepare a legal memorandum saying as much and intends to send it to the president.


Biden said the best deterrent to prevent pre-emptive military action in Iran is to make it clear, even if it is at the end of his final term, action will be taken against Bush to ensure "his legacy will be marred for all time."


http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071129/NEWS/71129018


Now he was on the campaign trail when he said it, but I wouldn't put it past him to
act on this if this comes to fruition.

[rhett o rick]

36. Let me get this straight. If Bush attacks Iran Biden will move to impeach????

:wow: First it will be too late. Second, there already is a move to impeach and it hasn't done shit. Maybe Sen Biden can have a subpoena issued, that'd fix em. :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[paparush]

37. We've unilaterally bombed in Pakistan. Bush thinks he has the authority.

That's all that matters is that he believes he acts with impunity.

Once the missiles and bombs start flying, and our sailors and personnel start dying, the media cranks up full blood-soaked-patriotism mode, no politician is going to be in a position to reign Bush** in.

[snot]

66. "MOVE TO" impeach? Not exactly unambiguous.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

42. I wonder if all the previous leaks over the last several years were planned

and intentional. People like Seymour Hersch have been accused of crying wolf. Maybe he was set up with intentional leaks. The idea is that when the attack does come, it will catch everyone by surprise, thinking that all the talk about it is just another false alarm.

[MinM]

57. for that reason...

or to provoke a response out of Iran. Which Bush now claims that they have:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3392918&mesg_id=3393051
And/or to indoctrinate the public -- thus getting them used to the idea?

[upi402]

53. and people will just shrug and say "ain't it a shame" n/t

[defendandprotect]

54. Sad to hear your report . . . is Congress going on a summer break soon . . ??

[Jeffersons Ghost]

56. K&R if bush doesn't attack Iran McCain will

[lonestarnot]

58. Two fighters over Phoenix population not long ago.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

59. Wolf Blitzer and Rick Sanchez will bathe in viagra

having their best orgasms since the TV shock and awe extravaganza from 2003.

[tigersumtin]

60. one last push

to take oil profits to the max, and insure his family will never be in need again, at the expense of the lives of our brave military and the pocketbooks of the American people... A true self righteous cocksucker!!!!

[Marie26]

65. Nah, it's just a statue-unveiling ceremony

This event just happened today, in Eastpoint, FL. According to the profile, this is the OP's town.

Apalachicola statue unveiled

July 12, 2008 09:57:00 PM

Punctuated by the roar of fighter jets, the rumble of helicopters and the wail of bagpipes, Apalachicola christened its Veterans Memorial Plaza on Saturday morning before a large, flag-waving assembly.

Just as Jan Scruggs, founder of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall in Washington, D.C., completed the keynote address, his former staff sergeant in Vietnam, Jimmy Mosconis, as well as Lindy Hart, widow of sculptor Frederick Hart, lifted a cloth covering off the plaza's centerpiece: a detail from the Three Servicemen Statue that stands across from The Wall in Washington. "The Wall itself stands as sobering symbol of the great cost of that conflict, and the Three Servicemen Statue adds a very human and personal element to that monument," read Eastpoint's Eugenia Watkins, a World War II veteran who served with the Bureau of Naval Personnel in Washington. ...

The sun shone brightly in the July heat throughout the ceremony, which featured the reading of a letter from former First Lady Nancy Reagan to Mosconis, who championed the Apalachicola project over the last seven years. ... Midway through Reagan's letter, two F-4 Phantom fighter jets from Eglin Air Force Base streaked overhead as the crowd waved their flags in appreciation.

http://www.newsherald.com/news/apalachicola_4973___article.html/statue_unveiled.html