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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 01:21 AM
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Blacks/Latinos/Asians moved in - there goes my hood (my long damn rant).
Edited on Wed Mar-07-07 01:36 AM by The Straight Story
Note: this OP is about how I have seen this area go to hell because of discrimination against said groups

My wife and daughter are both sick. Wife's parkinson's is worse, she has an infection, and daughter is throwing up and such. Last night I was done taking care of both of them as they were finally resting and I decided to order a pizza. Too tired to cook and I did not want to go out and leave em here alone.

So I called domino's. Had not had em in a long time and thought, why not (I used to coach a tee ball team they sponsored). Well..they don't deliver here no more. Click.

So I called Papa Johns. Never had their pizza before but the have a spinach one the wife wants to try, thought I could save some for her. Ordered it online too, nice and easy. 20 minutes later I get a call. They are not allowed to deliver here anymore due to robberies. In my hood? Only 86 houses here and I pretty well know what goes on around here as I know most the people. Well, no, not this little alcove but the general around here. Click.

They don't plow our streets here when it snows and ices over. I remember seeing a plow here ONCE in I don't know how many years now.

The speedway gas station now has bullet proof glass for the cashiers, and a little thing to slide money into.

Them and the independently owned sunoco down the street both have signs, no more than two people under 18 allowed unaccompanied into the store at a time.

Clark station, little caesars and two other stores in a 3 store mini-mall are all gone. Both properties sit empty and overgrown - so much for code enforcement out here.

When I was a kid I remember the first black family that moved in (have related about it in detail before, my mom made em a cake and I became friends with their son, other people moved out and some protested in front of their house trying to scare em off). The area was new (My folks bought one of the first three homes here) and grew over the years with new stores.

Now - McDonalds left, it's a bar now. Taco bell, gone too - is some greek food place. White castles? Moved - now a sonic chicken. Arby's - moved and is sitting empty. And I could go on.

The streets don't get repair work all that much, though they recently put in some new lights (just not in my hood, but in areas surrounding it).

Most the businesses that left were independently owned by white folk who moved on and reopened elsewhere (and yeah, i do know that - like dave and his super duper grocery store, and I forget the guy's name that owned the McDee's but he was there over 25 years, etc).

Yes - crime is up here. Bars and churches thrive. But when you oppress people and forget them shit happens. They are more than happy to take the tax dollars of people here, then ramp up the nice parts of town even more while neglecting this part.

Kudo's though to mayor Coleman - he is trying to do more out here. But even he seems to avoid this part of town, no real money here for him I guess - but still, I am damn glad he is our mayor and I think he will help more than the last few assholes we had (And for those who don't know Columbus we used to have Mayor Moody who was caught drinking and driving, but he claimed he was out inspecting the city...)

People think folks out here don't give a shit. Well, they sure as hell don't know us. The few bad people in the area gets projected onto the whole. I am not a minority, but am sure seen as one in that I am invisible - as are we all here - because we don't have the kick ass new track homes and cleaned up areas. And most the run down dirty places? Owned by businesses that left and don't care to clean em up.

If you ever want to know what it feels like to be a minority, without being one - move to an area where a lot of them live and observe things for awhile. It don't matter if you are white here, the cops around here will pull you over just for being around here. All the 'good' people moved to the better areas, which leaves us white trash and black/latino/asians who are 'all' gang members or criminals who have not been caught yet.

I was at UDF some months back, went in for some beer and smokes. Black guy outside (was cold out) ask me if I could spare some change for some beer - he had had a rough day and just wanted to go home and drink. I bought him some beer and gave him a ride home (about 1.5 miles). Turns out he is a chef and offered to give me a free meal at the place he worked for helping him out.

I relate that because I have heard several folks bitching about them 'colored folks who hang around outside the UDF chasing away business'. Shit. When I was a kid us white kids hung out there after school drinking slurpees and trading star wars cards on the way home from school.

It's all about the fear. Blacks and others scare the shit of them better off folks - and them better off folks have the ears of the city, and they get their areas invested in and property values go up.

I am moving this month. To California, mainly due to my wife's health and the fact her parents live there and have a place for us. And while some here may think this part of Columbus sucks, all I can say is - I have met some of the kindest people here, and maybe if you helped out more when it comes to trying to improve the city and spent some tax dollars here it wouldn't be so bad.

We might not be rich out this way, but there are some good folk here just wanting the same thing everyone else wants - to be judged not by the color of their skin or their wallet size, but on the content of their character.

(edited for sucky grammar...)
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 01:31 AM
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1. Without a doubt, this is the coolest thing I have ever read here.
This is the best, ever.

I am going to save this, forever.

Goddamn, man, I just keep repeating myself.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 01:35 AM
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2. Thanks Man
I grew up here, bought the house next to mom 2.5 years ago, and am amazed at what has transpired here.

When columbus was growing, this was one of the places to be. Now it is avoided and shunned.

They want to revitalize downtown - and one way they are doing it is putting in high priced condos that the few 'good' people can afford.

I remember downtown from my youth. I was there a LOT. I played chess at the YMCA on Long st, and I walked from there to Grant ave to go the library. A diverse group of people from blacks to crazy ass preachers lived around there and hung out. Now...well, they are 'cleaning up' down town.

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 01:38 AM
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3. K&R
to be judged not by the color of their skin or their wallet size, but on the content of their character.

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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 01:48 AM
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6. Ya wanna know what is really ironic and funny?
That first black family that moved in here - their son Arthur. Well, I learned something about him a few months back.

I lost touch with him for many years. The first asian family here is still here, Phillip is the boy's name and he owns the house now. So I was talking to him and asked if he had heard from Arthur - they were friends as well being the only minorities here.

Turns out Arthur does graphic art design in Philly for some christian bands, and got Phillip hook on those bands and god. These lilly white people that moved (and one was a school teacher) all espoused 'christianity' and yet tried to get those folks to move (I was raised by Christian parents and am one myself, and they taught me that god is color blind - he did create us all afterall).

The first family that moved out I knew well - and their two sons were both murdered in their new white hoods they moved to many years later. By white guys. They would have been more safe staying here.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 01:44 AM
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4. Good stuff, as ever, SS! Did you ever get your pizza?
Give a shout out when you land in So Cal -- there are a few of us DUers crawlin' 'round the region....
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 01:49 AM
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7. I ordered from Minute Man Pizza (who took over the Rax fast food joint on Hamilton)
So yeah I got it - and had warmed some up earlier when I started writing this. Good stuff and I gave the driver a nice tip.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 01:54 AM
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8. PS I will be in Bakersfield
a rw bastion it appears (except my mother-in-law who is a dem and has been elected every time she has run).
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 02:18 AM
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Yeah, Kern County's still pretty red, but Merle Haggard's from there...
... and look how far he's progressed! ;-)
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 02:18 AM
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9. & deleting this strange extra thread post copy...
Edited on Wed Mar-07-07 02:26 AM by villager
n/t
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 02:19 AM
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10. deleting strange extra post copy!
Edited on Wed Mar-07-07 02:22 AM by villager
n/t
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 02:26 AM
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11. It's the aliens I tell ya! happens to me from time to time
must be gremlins...
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 01:45 AM
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5. k&r
:kick:
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 02:40 AM
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12. What a wonderful post!
I'd like to share something I saw from another point of view. About 20 years ago, my husband lived in an older neighborhood that was slowly, very very slowly becoming integrated, although still mostly white.Older people died, their children sold the homes, or in some cases, like my husband and me, lived in the old home, and watched the makeup of the neighborhood change.

One Sunday, my husband and a good friend had gone to a shooting range, and when they got back decided to look at the guns my husband had. Ok, when they returned, I decided that I'd order pizza. Absolutely no problem in getting it delivered, none at all. However, when the pizza was delivered, the driver was a young black woman, who told me it was her first day on the job.

After finding out how much I owed her, I started getting the money from my purse, but invited her to step inside, since the weather was cold, and it had started to rain. She had been so very friendly while standing outside, but once inside, acted extremely nervous. She couldn't take the money fast enough, and sprinted to her truck.

Puzzled at first, I then realized that when she came inside, what she saw was 3 white people, and a collection of rifles, shotguns, and handguns, all spread out on the couch. That was where my husband and his friend had all of the weapons set out, and were discussing them. The stereotype is, of course, that of being white, and fearing minorities. How many of us consider that it makes more sense for blacks, and Latinos, to have much more reason to be afraid of US?

I don't recall any whites being lynched by blacks, or any other minorities preying on us. It's always been the other way around. Now tell me honestly, what would the reaction of a young white woman, be, her first day on the job, delivering pizza to a mostly black neighborhood, stepping inside to get paid, and seeing three black people and several guns displayed?

So, it cuts both ways. By the way, I never got the slightest impression that this young lady was in any way prejudiced against white people in general, but seeing herself outnumbered in a mostly white area, and being raised when being racist was the norm for some areas, I could never have faulted her for being afraid. No one group has a lock on biased opinions, but when we get to know each other, if we allow ourselves to, we can meet some of the best friends we'll ever have, and get to know people we're glad we had in our lives.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 02:45 AM
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13. Reminds me of a question I asked my friend Frank about race onetime
Edited on Wed Mar-07-07 02:45 AM by The Straight Story
We worked together in manufacturing, spent 8-10 hours a night together discussing everything from the daily news to race issues (he was black).

Discussing race one night I asked him:
1. Suppose you are on the battlefield and you come across me and a black guy you don't know, both of us are wounded, but you can only save one of us - who would you save? He told me he would save me. He knew me.

2. So then I asked - suppose you came across one white and one black guy, neither of whom you knew?

he stopped for a moment then said - the black guy.

I asked him why - he said, because I shared something with him.

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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 02:55 AM
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14. I think I would feel at home in your neighborhood.
The other neighborhoods sound overpriced anyway. I'm not afraid of crime or Black people or Hispanics or Asians. I am an Asian, coincidently.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 03:00 AM
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15. You know, this reminds me of stories growing up...
OK, my Mom grew up in University City, Central West End, bordering St. Louis, Missouri. Back in the 1950s to the 1960s, it was a "white" city. My Grandmother worked at City Hall, as a secretary of some sort, let me just say she has been invited to EVERY President's inaugural dinner since the 1960s. Anyways, all I know is that she helped write the integration legislation that opened up U-City for all races to move in.

The integration wasn't perfect, you can't control how your neighbors will react, after all. My Mom told me a story of the first black students she ever encountered in High School, there were I think 3 that first year. My mom described herself as being curious of these people, so, being stubborn as a mule, she befriended them. One of the black women in her class really hit it off with my mom, mostly because both were good at basketball, my Mom was, and probably still is considered quite tall for a woman, being close to 6 feet tall, and her new friend was her height, so they had common ground right there. :)

Anyways, due to the integration, the city could be roughly divided into 3 parts, a white section, a black section, and a mixed section. This was well before my time, and, when I was growing up, in the 1980s-early 1990s, we would visit my grandparents almost EVERY weekend, mostly because my parents were somewhat poor, and I got a good meal and my grandpa made some great eggs for breakfast. :)

The thing that didn't occur to me, at the time, was that my Grandparents were the ONLY white people that lived in that particular neighborhood at that time. However, my best recollection of that time was the fact that I thought everyone around me was RICH, my parents lived in a townhouse at the time, and all these houses are majestic looking two story affairs, with huge lawns. Granted, now, I guess the neighborhood would be considered Upper Middle Class, but, being a kid, I didn't make such distinctions. Until it was pointed out to me, I didn't think it odd at all.

Of course, even before the integration occurred, my Grandparents and their kids were some of the few Gentile families in that neighborhood. My grandmother, I remember, gave me a talk on social relations, we took a tour once, in her car, while driving around the St. Louis area, and we were driving around U-City, and you could almost literally see a dividing line between it and Cities surrounding it. In some cases, it was literally a bump, one second a smooth paved road, the next, a cracked and potholed road.

My Grandma was explaining to me what happened to U-City compared to other cities surrounding it, how, despite the fact that U-City had similar demographics, that it didn't look like the other cities around it. She said that it was simply because of how all these cities are managed, and how they treat their people. While U-City suffered from the same white flight as surrounding communities, though not to the same extent, they refused to let themselves suffer economic collapse because of it. They enacted laws to encourage businesses to stay, remade themselves into a cultural cosmopolitan city, and now are nicknamed the "melting pot" of the St. Louis area. A major attraction of the city is the Delmar Loop, where they have a local community art house, many small and ethnic restaurants, and a lot of color, both literally and ethnically.

Its probably the only place where you can see the blue and yellow equal sign sticker, supporting gay marriage rights, stuck on the windows of ethnic restaurants, tea and coffee shops, as an advertisement. To be honest, I love the place, it has a vitality to it that's hard to describe sometimes. Lately, it seems that many of the communities surrounding U-City have caught the same bug, so to speak, and St. Louis itself in addition to these surrounding cities are in the middle of a building and urban revitalization boom. Also, and this shouldn't be a surprise, but U-City is one of the most liberal cities in the area, and one of the first to refuse to help federal law enforcement in enforcing the Patriot Act.

Here's a link to the law reaffirming U-City's commitment to civil liberties:

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/resources/17206res20030220.html

The city was founded as a Utopian colony, by Edward Gardner Lewis, and it at least tries to maintain that image.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 03:06 AM
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16. There is a war against the poor
going on all over this nation.

And I am sitting here smirking because if the housing bubble bursts, there are going to be a whole lot more new poor folks. And then what? Will some of the prejudice subside? Will the newly homeless suddenly discover the merits of compassion?

Will the cops stop harassing the poor once the prisons are overfull to the breaking point?

It's really sickening to think this was supposed to be the "greatest nation on earth" and all it is is another place where money is god.

Sorry about your situation and thanks for sharing. So many middle class and upper middle class people on this forum have NO idea what it's like for the rest of us.

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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 07:12 PM
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19. It is indeed a war against the poor
And it, along with the other wars against people here, sicken me.

I watch the 'real housewives of OC' and it makes me want to hurl. I watch it sheerly out of a morbid fascination. One lady has 4 homes, all valued between 600k and 4.5 million - and she asked 'don't other people do the same?'

I don't begrudge wealth - it is the people with it and their values that upset me. The 'little' people are screwed over time and again - and it is those people, and the taxes they pay, that drive this country.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 01:48 PM
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17. Lord, this was so good. Thank you so much. I wish things could be
as your last line stated. What a good world it would be.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 06:35 PM
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18. Someday my friend
I at least have the hope that some day we won't be as divided in this world.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 07:38 PM
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20. I hope Karenina sees this.
I live in a very liberal, Democratic area that is intensely xenophobic and racially segregated. Despite the favt that tenants and minorities are in the majority, (very liberal) homeowners go on about how "those people don't pay property taxes like we do" and "those lower income folks should should build their own damn gym" and "we need to keep these teens out of the library, they cause problems."
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 08:34 PM
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21. This is no accident
as the OP's experience shows. Go to http://www.pbs.org/race/006_WhereRaceLives/006_00-home.htm and click on "The Downward Spiral" and see how neighborhoods go bad.

It's all about the fear. I saw it happening growing up; of all of the white kids that started high school with me, none graduated with me. The unincorporated north county (affluent and mostly white) areas are becoming incorporated and breaking away from the county because, "the county commission is so corrupt and we'll get to control our money so it doesn't go south." (to "those people" but they won't say that out loud. ) Enabled by the rotten republican-run state legislature, they're getting their wish. I wonder how they'll feel in 3-5 years after they've had to raise taxes since they're now responsible for the services that they complained about and used as campaign propaganda.
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