So...you think Sy Hersh is "Crying Wolf?" Listen to Amy Goodwin's Extended Interview w/him Here:

[KoKo]

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/30/hersh_congress_agreed_to_bush_request

Listen to that and tell me "Sy has been carrying on about this for two years...and it means nothing...he has no "creds."

Listen to this and see how hard it was for him to piece this all together but how he weaves it into the pattern we already know about Bush/Cheney.

It's a long detailed interview. It's worth watching or listening rather than turning on the Cables, tonight. It's really incredible, how Sy get's so little time about this...which kind of verifies his latest is a Blockbuster at "Connecting the dots"...and not that he's "the little boy who cried wolf."

[L. Coyote]

1. DUPE. Rec this up!

Democracy Now! - Seymour Hersh, Congress Agreed to Secret Operations Against Iran
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3544539

[whistle]

2. No, he said he hopes he is wrong, but he does know something

[Captain Angry]

3. It's Amy Goodman. And thanks for the link. :-)

Amy is the one of the only two media people that I respect at all.

[Larkspur]

4. I'd rather have Sy Hersch be wrong than Bush be right

When Hersch cries "Wolf!" it may be the only thing that prevents or at least delays Bush and Cheney from attacking Iran.

[KoKo]

5. True...Sy has put together all he could from "sources" and he hopes he's wrong....

but he felt it was important to put his "connecting the dots" out there for us all to decide. But, then, we all had info that "Iraq Invasion" was WRONG...and we tried to stop it. Will Hersh's new info be enough to stop another attack and a McCain Presidency as a result. I guess all we have left is to "cross our fingers and hope" because whatever else we do is not recognized by our Dem Leaders in House and Senate. We gave up on the MSM long ago. All we had left was our Dem Leadership we voted in. :shrug:

[anigbrowl]

6. Let me give you a journalistic tip

Before I begin, I would like to note that I think Hersh IS on to something. I am not accusing him of crying wolf or whatever else. OK? Good.

Now, the tip is this: if you want to boost Hersh's credibility, linking to an interview with him talking about his own article is not the way to do it. If he's right, it doesn't provide any corroborating evidence and if he's wrong he's certainly not going to be saying 'of course, my argument is fundamentally flawed here...'. You need another source - one which is independent of Hersh rather than just one that is quoting him agreeably.

Here's you've started a thread saying 'if you think Hersh is wrong listen to this interview with Hersh'. Well that's like someone saying 'If you think Bush is wrong listen to a Bush speech'. You need to find another credible source for the same information (which might take work) if you hope to convince anyone who is skeptical of Hersh and rejects his story on that basis.

[KoKo]

7. Do you think I should post something from "Neo-Cons?" Perhaps one of the Kagan's

to "balance out Hersh?"

Would seem to me the WaPo and NYT do a great job, along with the Politico, New Republic and Fox, MSNBC/CNN in "balancing out Hersh."

Do Ya Think? :shrug:

[anigbrowl]

9. I said 'boost hersh's credibility' rather than 'balance out Hersh'

I was actually trying to help you attract more attention to his worthy story and suggesting techniques for doing so. Where you got the idea that I was saying anything about opposing views or a need to 'balance out Hersh' (words which never appeared in my post), I have no idea. You look retarded now.

[KoKo]

12. How could Hersh's credibility get a bigger boost...given his reporting history

in the past. Who could possibly top him in today's reporting world?

I thank you for helping attract more attention to the post...but guess I have difficulty understanding who could top Hersh. And, the only folks who would counter or top him...are Israeli Intelligence and the Neo-Cons...because they are the ones that get all the press coverage.

[anigbrowl]

13. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

There's a saying in journalism: 'you're only as good as your last story'. My only point was that those who thought Seymour Hersh might be crying wolf would not be convinced by more Seymour Hersh, but by corroborating information from some independent source. Sheesh.

[KoKo]

15. No problem... he does give many of his sources...but

also many had to be "off the record." Did you listen to Goodman's interview with him? He also has his other body of work that he's written in the New Yorker articles which give sources named and ones who were confidential. I think with Hersh those of us who have read his work going back can put it together with other sources like Juan Cole and others who write but aren't in the MSM Corporate Propagand, linked to Pentagon pipeline.

It might be that some of us have been reading Hersh longer and other sources that aren't mainstream, that you question. :shrug: After all Hersh is an "investigative reporter." It's impossible to name every single source and be investigative....

[anigbrowl]

17. You just don't get it

:banghead:

"those of us who have read his work going back can put it together with other sources like Juan Cole" << THIS was what I was suggesting you do in the first place. Your thread title suggested you were trying to reach people who were skeptical of Hersh. A Hersh interview will not be persuasive to a Hersh skeptic, it's just more of what they already don't like. A Juan Cole article on the same subject might.

[KoKo]

18. I haven't seen you provide any sources...if you need some..then Google Juan Cole...

the Guardian and other sources you might find credible. What else can I say...you seem to take offense at Hersh's interview standing on it's own. I was replying to those who "poo-pooed" his latest New Yorker article by saying they had heard it all before. Hersh's interview can stand on it's own with Goodman because he reveals more than even in his New Yorker article about his sources.

[anigbrowl]

22. Yes, but why would that persuade someone skeptical of Hersh to begin with?

I give up. I was trying to encourage you and you got the wrong end of the stick.

[Postman]

8. I think that's a good tip, however...

how does one get the same story from another source in regards to what Hersh has reported here? It seems the insiders willing to risk their careers possibly even their lives in order to get this story out deeply trust this one person, Sy Hersh, to protect them and that they distrust other, mainstream, sources..

It could also mean that Sy Hersh is seen as a straight shooter, a man with no bias left or right. Thus he could be relied upon as a credible source by the public. That the information leaked to him and reported by him can be looked upon as truth leaked by those within gov't who are deeply concerned about what this administration is doing...

[anigbrowl]

10. I didn't say it would be easy

And of course I wouldn't expect an exact duplicate of the information - but there are other investigative journalists working the same row, and I noticed several things in the Hersh story I had seen confirmed elsewhere by other writers. So I was suggesting that citing additional source(s) backing up some or all of the story (perhaps using multiple arguments) would be a better way to overcome potential skepticism about Hersh than and interview with the guy himself.

It seems, however, that the OP went off into some snark-fit and decided I was calling for views opposing Hersh to be posted. Oh well.

[Postman]

11. I understand what you're saying....

What have you noticed in Hersh's story that you have seen confirmed elsewhere by other writers?

Curious.

[anigbrowl]

14. I was thinking of the stuff about Admiral Fallon

That got a lot of coverage at the time of his resignation, for example.

[Postman]

20. Yeah. I remember that also.... I found this story from Iran...

http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=168823

[Postman]

25. And this.....

http://www.counterpunch.org/andrew05022008.html

[mdmc]

16. KoKo I heard him on FRESH AIR

that was some scary shit...

[KoKo]

19. Thanks...I missed that one...but, yeah...it's scary shit, for sure! n/t

[mdmc]

21. You have to listen to him with Terri Gross

I know you and I don't have the tech skills to find the interview on line, but perhaps someone here does. You have to check it out!

[Postman]

23. Listen or podcast....

http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=13

[KoKo]

26. Thanks...this is good for those on Dial Up to listen to the Fresh Air interview...it's more detailed

about what they are already doing in Iran...more about the possible ops to destabilize the Iranians..."roil the country" as Hersh said.

He's saying there's been no effort in Congress to stop this escalation but he thinks Congress may not be aware how covert these operations are because they aren't being told about it to stop it...and more. Bush/Cheney can hide all this and Cheney is escalating it by getting the CIA involved and this is why Bush requested the "legal finding" from Congress. Hopefully this report will wake up Pelosi, Reyes, Obey and Murtha. Bush/Cheney are sending out "death squads" and they are accountable to no one. This interview is even more frightening than the interview with Amy Goodman.

:thumbsup:

[bluesmail]

24. She had a clip of Gates wearing a sling on his right arm,. ouch

[KoKo]

27. Kick !