The "democrats" evolving excuses for aiding and abetting the traitor in the white house

[leftofthedial]

First, after the 2006 elections, pelosi took impeachment "off the table" because it would be a distraction from the "real agenda."

Then, when it became apparent that there was no "real agenda" other than giving king george whatever blank check he asked for, the rationale switched to bush is SO unpopular, let's keep him in office and use him to destroy the repukes in the 2008 election--guilt by association.

Then, though, it became clear that the repukes are running away from king george, but the frigging "democrats" are still giving him whatever he wants ("democrats in congress more popular with repukes than with Democrats), so now, the "democrats" are getting well-deserved blame for supporting the bush cabal's policies. It is the *"democrats"* who are increasingly associated with the cabal's crimes (FISA, torture, illegal occupation, etc.).

Now we hear "there isn't time to complete the process before November."

this is all from my increasingly faulty memory. What other excuses have the congressional "democrats" offered and abandoned?

[polichick]

1. These people make me sick! And I don't see Obama or Clinton doing...

...anything about it either. WTF!?

[leftofthedial]

2. all the candidates who survived corporate muster and were allowed to run

are part of the establishment status quo. their overarching mission is to preserve and perpetuate that status quo.

they and king george are members of the same ruling elite class. the people are not. the constitution, laws and traditions of our country are just random artifacts that have no use other than protecting the status quo. if members of the ruling class decide those artifacts no longer serve useful purpose to them, they discard them.

[Lorien]

36. That about sums it up n/t.

[Individualist]

39. Hear, hear!

As long as voters follow the dictates of that corporatocracy, nothing will change. :(

[Dogtown]

45. Very accurate

Disheartening, but it's the truth of the matter.

I feel anymore that the choice in parties only represents your choice for rate of decay.

[Skittles]

27. yes we can!

no, apparently we cannot

[tom_paine]

32. We both have Obama in our siglines, yet we both see the likely truth.

That, while it is inarguable that an Obama Imperium would be a vast improvement over a McBush Imperium, that Obama is unlikely to take the steps necessary to reconnect the Constitutional Burglar Alarms or restore the System of Checks and Balances in any meaningful way.

I hope I am wrong about this, but it is 98% certain, I think.

Once the Constitution and Bill of Rights are irrevocably shattered as meaningles documents, which they already have been IMHO, existing only as window-dressing in a nation ruled by Imperial Will, the only choice we have is between Good Emperors like Obama and Bad Emperors like Bush and McBush.

What signifies the distinction between Emperor and President, between Totalitarian Empire and Democratic Republic. My God, I wish I had never been forced to open my eyes and see it.

A President obeys the laws (most of them anyway, humans being imperfect and utopia being an unrealistic dream) because he HAS to. A Good Emperor, like Obama will be if he is allowed to sit upon the throne, obeys the laws because he WANTS TO. A Bad Emperor, of course, recognizes there IS no law but his will in a nation with no System of Checks and Balances, regardless of what window-dressing he has to adopt to pretend to us peasants that we are still free when we are not.

[GreenPartyVoter]

3. Somebody needs to write some lyrics and a catchy tune for a li'l ditty called

"Keepin' my powder dry"

[leftofthedial]

15. I'm on it.

[GreenPartyVoter]

30. Cool..Let me know when ya got something

[Philosoraptor]

4. It certainly is wearing thin....

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. They're intent on increasing their supply of dry powder.

A large increase will be supplied with the next military budget bill.

[wurzel]

6. Ralph Nader does have a point.

[wurzel]

7. Ralph Nader does have a point.

[hfojvt]

25. or two

as in the two Bush terms that mofo gave us. I guess President Gore would be just as bad though.

[Dogtown]

46. If only he had a repair

With a platform and 50+% of the voters he could fix things.

Oh, wait. Maybe not.


There is no viable 3rd party to offer a candidate. The options offered by the two maverick parties are the Laurel and Hardy of the political world.

[wiggs]

8. No argument from me on your points. The question is, WHY has it been this way? nt

[Asgaya Dihi]

11. Because we refuse to hold them accountable

Look at what's happening now with Obama and the rest of the dems with FISA, with Gen Clark, with any number of issues or events. We keep excusing things we know are wrong because it's a campaign, because we didn't have the majority, then later because we don't have the Presidency, or for other reasons. What substantial difference is there though between the excuses we make today and the excuses we made in the 90's for Bill Clinton? Seems to me we're working pretty damned hard to see if we can make the same mistakes all over again, just keep making excuses and let them ignore us while catering to the right wing of the nation. When we keep forgiving or excusing but the other side keeps holding our leaders to account then what direction do we EXPECT them to drift in?

We've been doing this to ourselves amd you can see it right here on this board today.

As long as some nebulous idea of "winning" matters more than what we win or how we win then we'll just keep on losing in the end. We used to think we were fighting for goals but one by one those goals are being cast aside and we're left with little but us supporting most of the same policies we tried so hard to fight against, and to some of us that's a win if it's just a D doing it instead of a R.

How did that work out in the 90s? Liking NAFTA? Media consolidation? Welfare "reform"? The drug war? The privatization of our military? Bush didn't invent the tools he used, he just used what was set in place for him by others and a mindset we'd been drifting toward even under Clinton.

We forgot what we were here for. It's not about electing Ds even if they act like Rs. It's about goals, and one by one we cast those goals aside in favor of Ds that act like Rs.

[leftofthedial]

16. ...

:thumbsup:

[slipslidingaway]

9. Agree and our party has bought into too many things that we said

we are against by not holding them accountable.

Feingold make an important statement the other day...

"...Senator Russ Feingold: Well, I'm hoping that we have a very good election result in the House and the Senate, and elect President Obama. And then I think the excuses will all be over. I think that people will realize either we're going to be Democrats or we're not. So I am hopeful that people will no longer be intimidated. But I worry a great deal. Because I thought that was the message of the 2006 election and the performance when it comes to the areas of Iraq, and civil liberties in the constitution have not been good, and I really do regret it..."

Edit to add link

http://www.theyoungturks.com/story/2008/6/24/16173/7681/tytvideoclips/Senator-Feingold-On-TYT

[leftofthedial]

17. good for Russ

there are a few actual Democrats in national office.
















But only a few.

[philly_bob]

10. Dems sent me fund-raising email from James Carville.

My response: "Who next? Joe Lieberman?

My Democratic Congressman (Patrick Murphy) voted for telecom immunity.

Exactly what difference did the 2006 Democratic victory make?

Oh well. Despite my deep disappointment with Democratic establishment's move to the right, I am reminded of a buddy, who says "All I care about is the Supreme Court. Which means all I care about is winning in November. I don't care about you radical leftists."

We'll have to reform the Democratic Party from within ... when it's in power.

[tbyg52]

14. Every time I receive anything purporting to come from Carville

I send it back with a nasty note. I will not give to anyone except individual candidates and Dr. Dean.

[leftofthedial]

18. "radical leftists"?

like Eisenhower. And Truman.

WTF?

[philly_bob]

22. My friend's point is that the political spectrum has shifted so rightward...

that I'm a "radical leftist" simply by challenging corporate power, standing up for
civil liberties, and wanting to redistribute the wealth from the very rich.

[leftofthedial]

23. my point as well.

[readmoreoften]

24. The center is the extreme left. The far right is the center. Fascists are Republican.

It's easy really.

[philly_bob]

40. I'm not sure I'm getting you, readmore.

Today's left is the 1950-70 center.
Today's center is the 1950-70 right.
Today's right is the 1950-70 fascists.

Is that what you're saying?

Anyway, Obama's gotta win or we're all lost. We're all hoping his moves to the right (such as
telecom immunity) are strategic and don't represent his core beliefs.

[MisterP]

41. problem is, the blinkered "win at all costs" perspective is against this very

thread: not only is continued loyalty demanded for the sake of hanging onto the Court, reforming the Party, ensuring we occupy 3 countries instead of 5, etc., etc., but anything that could conceivably get in the way of victory by "disheartening" people or criticizing the One Candidate becomes treasonous.

[gratuitous]

12. What is this "no time" nonsense?

How long did it take a motivated Congress (both House and the Senate) to pass the bill that interfered in the Schiavo matter? Dubya even cut one of his interminable vacations short to sign the bill into law. Well, we don't need Dubya to approve a bill of impeachment against him, so it shouldn't take hardly any time at all.

[leftofthedial]

19. ya got me.

:shrug:

It would take no time at all, if the "democrats" in Congress were actual Democrats.


But they ain't.

[Dogtown]

47. And so what if they don't finish?

They don't finish a lot of things.


The investigation files could be turned over to a special prosecutor for criminal proceedings. They shouldn't be untouchable just because they finished the term.


If Nixon had been prosecuted instead of pardoned, we wouldn't be in this fix.

[spanone]

13. i don't even want to hear it

[leftofthedial]

20. la la la la la la la la la la la la!

thumbs in ears! not listening! can't hear a thing!


first they came for the hearing aid salesman ...

[Skittles]

28. do we even have to wonder

why we end up with the government we do? :o

[leftofthedial]

37. political conversation with any randomly selected American

is about 90% likely to provide the answer.

[Oak2004]

44. 90% of Americans might not have much valid information

But about 80% of Americans look at their lives, realize something is very wrong, and are pissed off. All they need is good information to be 100% with is. As it stands now, they are with us in sentiment, they just don't know that they are.

We're not in the minority. It's the alleged mainstream, which would be better described as the "elitestream", that is in the minority.

[spanone]

38. if you're implying i don't care you couldn't be more wrong...i've heard this stuff over and over and

[MisterP]

21. don't forget that "we're appealing to the anticonstitutional, Stalinist Americans so we can win

their votes: THEN we'll enact our program.
In a non-election year.
In the second term.
Maybe.
But keep voting for u$! Or else! 'Coz that's the only way to maintai--eh, change the system.

[Skittles]

29. even DUers fall for this garbage

it is pathetic

[tom_paine]

34. I would say the majority of DUers.

It is as I have always said, there is no escaping from Bushiganda's effects. It is as pervasive as the air we breathe and it just seeps in, to paraphrase a US diplomat returning from Nazi Germany in the late 30s. You, me, all of us...no matter how much we consciously defend ourselves, it just seeps in.

Witness the Russert-a-thon in which I would guess at least a slim majority of DUers were falling all over themselves over Timmeh, a transparent Bushie operative (ESPECIALLY these last 10 years) and GE spokesmodel.

I don't care if the fucker bought every kid in Buffalo a new liver, it can NEVER balance out the many thousands of innocent children he helped murder with his lies, not to mention the murder of the Old American Republic.

In any case, I only bring it up because I was simply astonished about how many DUers STILL aren't able to see beyond the National Hologram, the Televised Iron Curtain of the Mind.

One thing I have discovered, it has nothing to do with intelligence. Nothing at all. A person could be a brilliant intelligence and still be fooled. A person could be a high-school dropout and see through the lie.

[Skittles]

42. I see through it all

I've never been fooled - never - and ESPECIALLY not now

[tom_paine]

43. I don't know if I should feel envious of you or bad for you.

Because I can't say the same. Oh, I nibbled around the edges of it for many years. Hindsight being 20/20, I can now say I at least took note of most of the significant steps as they were happening, such as the REAL MEANING of the "OJ Trial Presstitute Orgy", which was that something had gone very very VERY wrong with our media. Or the inkling of what a terrible mistake it was not to impeach Reagan, Bush and expose the Bushies' criminality, thus setting a terrible precedent for surrender, submission, and acceptance of criminality that is amplified 100-fold in most of todays Congressional Democrats.

But at each of those moments throughout the years, I only sensed something deeply wrong, not the whole picture of what it was...not even close.

Having said that, the burden of being the One-Eyed Person in the Kingdom of the Blind doesn't feel so good to say the least, and it sure plays havoc with one's social life. There's much less to talk about once one starts peering behind the curtain, stops accepting the National Hologram and talking about whatever today's TV Talking Point is. Which is probably 30-50% of all conversation, these days.

And so I am not sure I would trade the tranquility I felt during the Clinton Era, even as the walls of our System of Checks and Balances were coming down. Not sure I would trade my own personal Era of Good Feelings for the terrible knowledge and burden of The Red Pill, so to speak.

I guess I am just as fucked up and selfish as anyone other Amerikan Subject, but there you have it... my honest feelings on the matter.

So I am envious of you that you saw through so much earlier than I, my friend. Yet I feel sorry for you having to carry that crushing burden for all of those extra years and the Old American Republic is dead and not likely to return whether you were burdened or not.

I was shocked awake in 2000, by a series of events which could not be denied, and did not more fully understand what was happening...the shape of it...until after that.

Before that, I was in the pasture with the rest of the sheep. Sometimes I wish I could still return to it, to the tranquility of KNOWING It Can't Happen Here, incorrect as it has been shown to be.

My own desire for denial is sometimes overwhelming. But once one has learned something, it is difficult if not impossible to unlearn.

And in truth, my conscience would not let me do so even if I could turn the clock back and unlearn what I have learned these past seven years.

Take care of yourself, my friend. You have carried this burden of knowledge much longer than I, it seems, and it can't be good, from a health and psychological perspective, for either of us.

Be strong. :hug:

[hfojvt]

26. your memory is faulty

Pelosi took impeachment "off the table" BEFORE the 2006 elections, hoping that would help elect more Democrats.

Secondly, there have been a fair amount of Republican fillibusters and Bush vetoes. If I Recall Correctly, our control of Congress could not even pass increased SCHIP funding. The M$M and enough House Republicans stood with Bush and his lies. Now supposedly the surge is working. Between the war and the economy any Congressional impeachment would be used as a scapegoat. "The war is going badly now because Democrats are playing politics" "Instead of doing something about the economy or gas prices, Congress is pursuing a witch hunt against Bush and Cheney."

Only four more months to go. 90 months gone. Four more months. Hold on.

[Senator]

31. Dunno That They've Abandoned Any ... But Go Read My Journal

There you'll find a full taxonomy, including;

• The "Too Divisive" Excuse -- Nov 2007
  
• The "Torture Helps Our Side" Excuse -- Aug 2007
• An Anthology of "False Meme" Excuses -- Jun 2007
• The "Clinton/Ickiness" Excuse -- May 2007
• The "Purse Strings" Hoax/Excuse -- Feb 2007
• The "Rationalizing Our Inaction" Excuses -- Nov 2006
• The "Josh Marshall (Oxmoronic)" Excuse -- Mar 2006
  

... as well as the accurate prediction of coming excuses and how to combat them (First Entry, Mar 2006).

--

[Echo In Light]

33. The "Real Agenda" involved ensuring impeachment was "off the table."

[NotGivingUp]

35. a big kick and a high recommend to this thread n/t

[Joe Fields]

48. We have become increasingly irrelevant.

It's only a short matter of time before they won't even feel the need to offer us any of their lame excuses.