ATTN DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS: WITH A GUILTY VERDICT OF SCOOTER LIBBY, IT IS TIME TO IMPEACH

[berni_mccoy]

Under testimony in the Scooter Libby trial, it came out that Libby, Rove, Cheney and Bush (and others in the White house) all conspired to reveal the identity of Valery Plame, a covert Agent of the CIA working to prevent Nuclear Proliferation. This is a TREASONOUS ACT. Their TREASON exposed operations that were tracking progress of Nuclear programs from rogue nations and potentially terrorist friendly nations. They have endangered us all and should be made to pay the price. Under precedence and the Constitution, Fitzgerald can not prosecute Cheney and Bush. THEY MUST BE IMPEACHED.

PUT IMPEACHMENT BACK ON THE TABLE AND PROTECT AMERICA! NOW!

DUers, please keep this kicked and spread the word so the Democratic Leadership in Congress sees it.

[Kelly Rupert]

1. Or, you know, we could call for an investigation,

since an impeachment with absolutely no evidence whatsoever isn't going to play very well on CNN.

Also: "Valery Palmer"?

[berni_mccoy]

2. Fitzgerald did the investigation. The evidence is all in the testimony.

Time for Impeachment.

[Kelly Rupert]

9. The case for criminal wrongdoing on the part of the President

is at the moment virtually nil. The only person Fitzgerald found enough evidence to convict was Libby. He couldn't even get Rove, who actually committed the crime.

Now, Bush undoubtedly deserves impeachment. However, right now we can't really justify it. We need a congressional investigation before we even talk about impeachment.

[EFerrari]

22. Actually, that's wrong. We've been talking about impeachment

for years. And that was before Junior killed all those people in NOLA when he knew the levees were breached and warned no one.

Edit to add: www.impeach07.org

[Kelly Rupert]

25. You realize that isn't actually evidence.

"Madam Speaker, the President is clearly guilty of the high crime of having been talked about a lot on DU."

Also, your Katrina theory makes no sense at all. Bush was first to know that the levees were breached, and he never let his subordinates know? You realize, of course, that your claim flies totally in the face of everything we know about Katrina and the administration response. The problem was that Bush was ignorant of the situation, not that he was withholding information. Hell, it doesn't even make sense. How would he--and only he--have found out?

[EFerrari]

36. It's not a theory. It was reported by Greg Palast and by Amy Goodman.

http://www.gregpalast.com/the-year-the-levees-broke

When Palast reported this, he got good and arrested by HLS.

[berni_mccoy]

4. Sorry, typo. Fixed.

[cui bono]

13. Impeachment hearings are the investigation.

Then the senate indicts or not.

[Kelly Rupert]

16. Incorrect.

The Senate convicts, not "indicts." Also, impeachment hearings are not the same as investigation. In the hearings, Congressmen will present evidence and call witnesses. However, before we go about that, we need to actually have evidence. Congress needs to first hold hearings before we do anything like propose impeachment.

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[itsmesgd]

3. I dont want an impeachment

I want to see the bushco run out of town at the tip of a sharp stick (Nixon-style)

[berni_mccoy]

6. Seriously? You know it was threat of Impeachment that forced Nixon's resignation, right?

[itsmesgd]

11. that's what I want, threats and pressure

I want a "hard lean" put on shrub and company to get him out of office faster than an impeachment would go.

[brentspeak]

5. Once again: Impeachment was never on the table to begin with

Pelosi, Conyers, and Kucinich all said so PRIOR to the November election. They would be breaking their campaign promises to reverse themselves.

[berni_mccoy]

10. Information has changed. Testimony has been validated.

If it was uncovered that Bush broke a different law tomorrow, you don't think they would put Impeachment back on the table.

They aren't breaking any promises by doing so. That's complete BULL.

[brentspeak]

14. Information has not "changed". Cheney's aide was convicted of something; Bush wasn't

It's kind of hard to push for a presidential impeachment on the grounds that the vice-president's aide was convicted of something.

[Dr Fate]

18. Let Bush use that weak excuse under oath- why make it on his behalf? n/t

n/t

[leftofthedial]

7. Someone needs to pull the Libby thread

and unravel everything they possibly can in the next year and a half

[BuyingThyme]

8. A jury just decided that justice has been obstructed.

Now get off your cowardly asses and find that justice.

[wiggs]

12. Yes. Libby verdict is just the start of oversight on abuse of power. Congress must

now look at Rove, Armitage, Cheney, Libby, and Bush and determine if there are potential high crimes and misdemeanors worth investigating. Seems obvious to me that there are....at LEAST as egregious as the bar that was set in Clinton's impeachment.

Congress has a responsibility here.

[radfringe]

15. SAVE AMERICA - SUPPORT IMPEACHMENT

[Dr Fate]

17. I'm glad Fitz didnt have the loser mentality that the anti-Impeachment crowd has.

What if Fitz had just thrown up his hands and siad "Cant win, may as well not try" or made the excuse "Well, they will just pardon him anyway, why waste time?"

Good to know there are some people who still want to fight for justice rather than hem & haw and make excuses.

[brentspeak]

19. People who don't mind quality legislation being stymied and lost forever want impeachment hearings

[Dr Fate]

23. Some people want to lose to Bush's cronies again, again and again.

I say lets put them out of commission now rather than waiting to be under their gun again.

If we dont take them out now, there is just as much chance that they will come back into power again- in which legislation will also be an issue. It happened with Nixon's & Regans people- it could happen with Bush's.

I sure wish your WAYS to fight Bush were as crafted as your excuses for not doing so.

[hootinholler]

43. Has nothing to do with it.

These guys are criminal in the way they approach governance. They must be brought to justice or there is little hope. In that Watergate begat Iran contra, Iran contra begat Iraq and the crimes have yet to be cataloged.

It's a damn shame the resources must be spent instead of or in addition to the quality legislation of which you speak, but if this behavior is not punished, then we invite worse on our children.

-Hoot

[Kelly Rupert]

20. I would think the real loser mentality

is the one that says we have nothing better to do during the next year and a half than gamble on a long-shot impeachment.

[Dr Fate]

24. I see- so now the "winners" are the people who are frightened of Rove & the media.

While the "losers" are the people who know that the public do not side with Bush & the war.

Interesting excuse for not fighting Bush, but I'm not buying.

[Kelly Rupert]

26. No, we're people who care about improving America through good policy

to undo Bush's bad policy, instead of fighting your scorched-earth political war.

[Dr Fate]

28. Impeaching Bush for starting an illegal war is not "scorched earth"

It's called "justice"-and the American people will NOT side with Bush over this, they oppose him now, as it is.

It's about keeping it from happening again-which will NOT improve America if it does.

Stopping leaders from lying us into war IS indeed good policy- and most sane people would agree with that.

"Political war" and "scorched earth" sounds like the same excuses that Rush Limbaugh & the Republicans are making and will continue to make...

You sound like you are not even for investigations- wont investigations cut into legislation time too?

[brentspeak]

30. Rush Limbaugh and the Republicans are urging that Democratic legislation not be thwarted?

Who would of known?

[Dr Fate]

32. No- Rush accuses the Pro-Justice DEMS of "scorched earth" and "politics"

Just like some of the Anti-Justice DEMS who seem to share his opinion that Bush should not be impeached for what he did.

Who would have known? ;)

Are you also against investigations? Wont that tie up some legislation too?

[brentspeak]

34. No, I'm in favor of investigations. But investigations are done by a few committees

They don't tie up the entire Congress for the duration.

[Dr Fate]

37. So why not spend 4 hours a day on impeachment, and 4 hours a day on legislation?

Regular old folks have to multitask and juggle several tasks at once everyday, and our employers dont accept the kinds of excuses you are making.

If we can make time for investigations, we can make time for impeachment hearings.

So sorry, but if you havent noticed, 7 or 8 solid years of excuse making on the part of timid DEMS have reached critical mass. I'd love to see as much passion & well crafted arguments for FIGHTING Bush as I see the passion & excuses for NOT fighting him.

[ClassWarrior]

39. This is about good government too. Do you want to leave the door open...

...for continued abuse like eavesdropping on citizens, elimination of habeus corpus, blowing the cover on CIA agents and investigations, torture, Iraq... and worse?? Yes, WORSE.

That scorched-earth political war has already been waged by the Rape-Publicans, and IMPEACHMENT is simply our clean-up duty.

NGU.

[EFerrari]

40. You know what, today Amy reported that the same @ssholes

who set up death squads in Central America, set up the militias in Iraq that are kidnapping, torturing, raping and killing -- guess who? Women. Because they can.

We have to stop recycling these bastards. :shrug:

www.impeach07.org

[EFerrari]

21. Impeach the Decider!

:kick:

[fasttense]

27. From what I heard and read, Cheney is our best candidate for Impeachment

He orchestrated everything and his method/process of declassifying the identity of the CIA agent is very questionable. When did he go back to the classification office? When did he get notification from the president that her identity was declassified or did he? Did he declassify her identity but fail to tell the CIA who could have quietly pulled or warned vulnerable agents? How many people were killed because her identity was declassified? All these questions need to be answered and congress has the power to get them.

[Dr Fate]

I'll take it. n/t

n/t

[dogday]

29. On to the Greatest page for you

Impeach today to protect tomorrow.....

[Swamp Rat]

31. IMPEACH!

[EFerrari]

38. I WANT THIS IMAGE! And looky --

[Swamp Rat]

46. Great!

I started on a Grim Reaper-esque pic, but I am too busy to work on it now.



:smoke:

[mdmc]

33. yes

:kick:

[Geek_Girl]

41. Investigate Now!

or Impeach but do something.

[TroglodyteScholar]

42. I made this point in a letter to my spineless congresscritter today...

I just received his response to a letter I sent a couple weeks ago (asking that he draw up articles of impeachment against the VP, or at very least support impeachment)...He sent me a form letter that concludes with, "...I do not agree with all the reasons you cited, and know of nothing that warrants the drastic step of impeachment."

Today I wrote back to say, essentially, "now you have something that warrants the drastic step of impeachment." See my thread here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x354514

On edit: My congresscritter is Jim Marshall (D) of Georgia's 8th (the fightin' 8th). Unfortunately, he's more conservative than most Rethugs. But what am I supposed to do, not even try?

[porphyrian]

44. Yes, please, it's your fucking job already. - n/t

[mmonk]

45. I'm giving up.

I think I'll just concentrate on my family. I'm tired. I know I and the people are beaten. I don't have to keep getting hit over the head to realize it. I don't even know if I will ever vote again. I'll request impeachment one more time and seek an end to torture flights coming out of my state. But if there is no change and no justice and we have to keep living like this right now, I have to drop out for sanity. Everything becomes useless motion. I almost hate that I had children. I never imagined the end of our system.

[ClassWarrior]

47. Go, rest, be happy...

There are strong DUers who will pick up your slack while you're gone.

NGU.

[porphyrian]

48. Take whatever time you need to keep it together...

...and take care of your family. There are plenty of us here to continue the fight, no matter how futile. We'll most likely still be here when and if you lose enough sanity to rejoin the fight. ;)

[lonestarnot]

49. kick

[Jcrowley]

50. Definitely, but here's what they say:

Delegation closed to call for impeachment

Published: Tuesday, March 6, 2007
By David Gram
The Associated Press

MONTPELIER -- At Town Meeting Day last year, then-Rep. Bernie Sanders cautioned against a drive to impeach President Bush, saying that with Republican control of both houses of Congress the effort would be "impractical."

This year, the number of Vermont towns voting on impeachment resolutions at town meeting is expected to be about two dozen, up from five in 2006. Sanders is a U.S. senator, and Democrats control both houses of Congress.

Sanders isn't jumping on the impeachment bandwagon, and he's not alone.

Sanders, I-Vt., Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and Rep. Peter Welch, D-Vt., said through spokespeople Monday that they had better things to do than to be interviewed on the topic.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070306/NEWS02/703060308/1007/NEWS02&theme=

Since when is impeaching the most criminal administration considered impractical. BushCo. violated the Constitution on numerous fronts. It's the obligation of the members of Congress to begin proceedings. They are not fulfilling their sworn duty to protect the constitution.

[ClassWarrior]

52. Then WE need to educate them.

In a democracy, the people are supposed to lead, and the leaders are supposed to follow.

So lead! B-)

NGU.

[Pierzin]

51. Hell yes!! but hurry, before they declare Martial Law!!

I wouldnt put anything past these rotten rat bastards anymore.

[radfringe]

53. Get your gear on - Save America - Support Impeachment

T-Shirt - bumper sticker - magnet: http://www.cafepress.com/radicalfringe


on the back across the shoulders:
The Constitution, Article II, Section 4:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

[The Stranger]

54. Harry's drafting up another non-binding resolution right as we speak.

Hooray for the Democrats!

:woohoo: