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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:39 PM
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Bob Somerby on Dowd, Matthews, (Russert), and the 'viral illness' of Irish Catholicism
Bob Somerby of the Daily Howler begins a series this week, sparked by Clark Hoyt's smackdown of Maureen Dowd's viciously sexist attacks on Hillary Clinton (and fellow Democrats--no pun intended), analyzing the Irish Catholic mob he sees controlling so much of the public debate on politics, especially on NBC and its affiliated cable networks. Somerby, who is of Irish heritage himself, is very interesting on the subject. Should be a fascinating week in Howlerville. The whole DH today is an excellent read. You're bound to enjoy it if you think Dowd is overdue for a public shaming. Stay tuned:

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh062308.shtml

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Again, we strongly commend Clark Hoyt for his column. It’s rare to see a “journalist” of Dowd’s celebrity described so frankly within her own news org. Dowd’s coverage of Clinton was a rolling disgrace. And that’s pretty much what Hoyt said.

Beyond that, we strongly recommend Digby’s post—every word. But we do make one small complaint.

The time has come to describe Dowd’s lunacy for what it actually is. It’s awkward to do so; we’d all rather not. But as we’ll continue to show you this week, these virulent forms of lunacy have assaulted our culture for many years now. This lunacy has been an illness—a plague. It does explain why we’re now in Iraq. It’s time to say what it actually is—where it actually comes from.

If we don’t explain what it is, many voters will be inclined to assume that it makes basic sense.

Awkward though it may be to say so, Dowd’s lunacy is the expression of a particular culture—a throwback form of Irish Catholic culture which most Irish Catholics have had the good sense to move far away from, long ago. But Dowd, and Matthews, and many others, have propagated this viral illness as it has damaged our public discourse over the past many years. We Irish! We sat on TV all last week and proclaimed how much we love the truth—how superior we are in that regard, thanks to our days with the nuns and the Jesuits. Tomorrow, we’ll start to revisit “four days in the life” to show you what was being said at NBC’s cable arm all the way back in December 1999. This lunatic loathing has gone on for years—sometimes in gender-based forms, sometimes not. It’s an illness—a plague on Oran. It’s time to discuss it a bit more frankly, as we do with other religious cultures which play key roles in American politics. Yes, it’s awkward to do so. But unless we want this plague to last forever, we actually need to start doing this.


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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:41 PM
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1. Stephen Colbert is Irish Catholic
and very different from Dowd and Matthews.
I think the argument is bogus.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:52 PM
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2. "which most Irish Catholics have moved away from"
Carlin was Irish Catholic (originally) too.

I don't feel qualified to judge the absolute accuracy of his argument, being neither Irish nor Catholic. All I know is it rings true and he makes his case compellingly.

He's written on the subject before. They used to say a certain edginess made for good television. This makes for good blogging.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:57 PM
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3. I'm Irish Catholic.
Where's my power?

:shrug:

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:19 PM
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8. He's not saying "all Irish Catholics have undue power."
He's saying this clique, which (according to Somerby) includes Bob Welch (chairman of GE and NBC), Chris Matthews, Maureen Dowd, Tim Russert (may he rest in peace), Mike Barnicle, Nora O'Donnell and others, mostly happen to be Irish Catholic. But what binds them, more than any overt association (besides all--except Dowd--being associated by amazing coincidence with MSNBC) is a certain old-fashioned view of gender, for example, and old-fashioned ideas about "tribe" and "class"--namely that there are (and ought to be) clear and natural boundaries between them.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:57 PM
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4. Lest we not forget O'Reilly and Hannity....Yikes..
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:59 PM
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5. Add Pat Buchanan to the list. (nt)
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:05 PM
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6. K&R #2, for SOMERSBY the Great!1 I've been flamed for saying some of these things.
I've said that the Irish Catholic schools certainly give a solid grounding in rhetoric, vocabulary, diction, and the communication skills in general--------all of which allow the wielders to smack down their opponents in the service of their regressive belief system----this despite that a huge wing of Catholicism is fantastic in social justice. I've thought about cataloging all the Irish Catholics in the punditocracy-----besides RUSSERT, Tweety, there's the two BUCHANANs, BARNICLE, O'LOOFAH, HANNITY (I'm blanking out, but there are MORE, MANY more). They reek of the nuns and their knuckle rulers, and the TONGUES are hot wired to the brains, or SKIP the brains entirely!1


I'm 1/16th Irish, so don't even bother to flame me as Anti-Irish or Anti-Catholic.
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two gun sid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:59 PM
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10. Don't forget Kate O'Beirne
Edited on Mon Jun-23-08 02:03 PM by two gun sid
crazy as a feckin' loon.

I have to say I agree with what you're saying.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:19 PM
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7. Add Michael Reagan to that list he is on the Board of Directors
For the Notre Dame Catholic High School in LA.
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two gun sid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:45 PM
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9. There is a lot of truth in Somerby's article
Edited on Mon Jun-23-08 01:47 PM by two gun sid
Fecking great article. Thanks for posting.
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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:14 PM
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11. Somerby has lost credibility, especially when he's attacking Olbermann
Last week, he attacked Olbermann because Olbermann made a snide remark about Gore waiting so long to endorse Obama. Somerby claimed he would never expect Gore to endorse during the primaries. The problem is the Howard Dean endorsement, a precedent that Somerby conveniently ignored.

Prior to that, he attacked Olbermann for splitting his time between MSNBC and ESPN radio, claiming his attention should be focused on only one. This, at a time when Somerby was splitting HIS time between media analysis and public school analysis.

Sometimes, Somerby's scrutiny doesn't stand up to scrutiny. I'll spend my time elsewhere.
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 05:31 PM
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12. Olbermann has deserved the criticism of late,,,,,,,,,,,,
I'm glad that he is willing to call out both sides.
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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:01 AM
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13. If you claim he deserves criticism for perceived anti-Clinton bias, that's one thing.
If so, then it should be stated as such. But he does not deserve it for what Somerby is claiming.
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