Pelosi - Reid - Hoyer MUST be Replaced ASAP

[Phred42]

- if we are to save Democracy and the Constitution

They are either:

being blackmailed
cowards
or simply the Silent Partners of the Reich

Anyway you slice it - they are not competent to complete their terms

THEY HAVE TO GO. NOW.

[jgraz]

1. Agreed -- but how do we do it?

You can't impeach members of Congress, and you can't recall them.

[Deja Q]

37. So voting them out is out of the question?

[chimpymustgo]

39. And what about Obama - who's marching in lockstep? My, we're in a pickle.

[bdamomma]

2. their phones should be continually ringing.

[Greyhound]

26. They all have a large number people employed with only one job,

that being keeping us away from them. They have and will continue to ignore the phone, the FAX, the email and snail-mail, and the questions and challenges.

They know they are unassailable and will do as they please.

The war has barely begun. If we surrender, we will die. If we fight, many of us will die. This is not a game, or a horse race, if you will, this is deadly serious and they are prepared to do whatever they can to retain their power.

This is about the ruling class exerting their power over us and whether or not we will accept the yoke.

[Leopolds Ghost]

29. "Progressives know they face extinction. All that matters is where they make their final stand."

"We can fight, in which case all of you will die...
Or we can surrender, in which case only MOST of you will die."

--Lord Steny Hoyer

[rhett o rick]

32. And what good would that do? They don't care a least little bit what the peons think.

And please don't give me the naive BS about replacing them. It isn't possible. I repeat, it is not possible to unseat an incumbent Democrat in the primaries.

I apologize if it seems I am aiming my frustration at you.

[OnyxCollie]

34. "I repeat, it is not possible to unseat an incumbent Democrat in the primaries."

Two words: Joe Lieberman.

Still love ya, rhett o rick.:hi:

[rhett o rick]

40. Love you too, but Joe is the sort of exception that proves the rule.

Joe is still in Congress. He was supported by the Democratic machine over Lamont.

And how do you do emoticons or whatever they are called?

[OnyxCollie]

47. True, Holy Joe is still in Congress.

And while no longer in the majority, his role is even more pivotal.

His being there may be more through republican support than the Democratic machine. IIRC, the repubs through a weak, underfunded candidate under the bus to support Joe.

To use the emoticons, use the smilies lookup table under "Message options" when posting.

[rhett o rick]

51. Thanks. I will keep fighting but really feel it is hopeless.

:mad:

[OnyxCollie]

52. Actually, I feel that way, too.

I was just trying to make you feel better. (Sigh).

[rhett o rick]

53. thanks. I will keeep on fighting, you too. nm

[natrat]

54. yea i give up but will vote the progressive ticket fwiw

[liberalskeptic]

3. They do not represent those that voted for them, therefore...

stamp them as "FAILED" and lets get them the hell out of there. I would say start a petition, educate the public even republicans on their failures and ask them to step down gracefully.

[az chela]

4. I guess it is number 3

They are enablers of the the bush administration which makes them as guilty as bushco

[BOSSHOG]

5. Interesting

the same thing is being said about governor bobby jindal right now is Louisiana, that he is being blackmailed by the legislature (he's said as much himself,) and he has in a cowardly manner refused to veto their payraise bill although when he ran for governor he said he would and he is most definitely a partner of the reich. The new ronald reagan per bush administration spokesman rush limbaugh.

[Donnachaidh]

6. It's more than those three

I personally think that ANY Democrat that voted this POS through should be targeted and they should be facing another Dem in thier next election, and local groups should be gathered to do anything to derail their returning to Congress.

And all of this should be done VERY publicly, both in local meetings and on the blogs. These people are indifferent to the needs of their constituents. They need to be taught that they ARE touchable, and they ARE answerable to their constituents.

[libnnc]

7. OUR LEGACY: War Crimes Domestic Spying Torture

**W A R C R I M E S**
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/41514.html



**I L L E G A L W I R E T A P S**
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/staff/marisa_taylor/story/16173.html




**T O R T U R E**

http://videos.mcclatchydc.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=1927337


This has become our legacy. DLCers on this board...ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?

[liberalskeptic]

8. Pelosi 202-225-4965 ask here to please step down

adios.

[AndyA]

9. Speaker Pelosi will be thrilled to hear from everyone!

Use her online contact form to let her know what you think.

Then call her.

http://speaker.house.gov/contact/

She must leave.

[Dr.Phool]

43. I'm so glad that she'll be thrilled to hear from me.

And Brother, you better believe she will!

[Phred42]

10. Obama needs to SHOW us what kind of a leader he will be - AND CALL FOR PELOSI's Resignation

NOW! and in Public!

Batter UP !

[arendt]

12. Obama just endorsed the FISA bill, said it was an "improvement"...

but he would "work" to remove immunity.

In Japan, when someone says "we will do our best" it means NOT A CHANCE.

Obama won't do shit.

arendt

[Phred42]

13. Goddamn it!

So Don't get your hopes up.

This is a lesson. This was a singular opportunity for Barack to stand up and lead in favor of the Constitution

We cannot count on Obama restoring Democracy or the Constitution.

Understand - McCain and the Reich are worse. We still MUST vote for this for this bullshit and put him in the WH
Just don't get your hopes up about much.

[natrat]

55. meet the new boss, same as the old boss--at least this guy has manners unlike that other freak

[onenote]

24. No member of the United States Senate is ever going to call for the resignation of the Speaker

of the House. Not. Going.To Happen. Ever.

[indepat]

11. Hear, hear!

[Divine Discontent]

14. a little of all three... K&R eom

[OhioChick]

15. Agreed. n/t

[babsbunny]

16. Please keep this thread alive! As we are just getting home

from working our asses off all week!

[Phred42]

17. All but 6 of the Blue Dogs voted YEA

At least 16 of th DLC voted Yea - It could be more but I don't have a current list of the DLC.


If you know where I can get a current DLC lit - I'd appreciate it

[Maureen1322]

20. By weird chance I called Conyers office this am and he answered the phone,

he told me blue dogs were a big problem.

[Phred42]

21. The Dogs are not Democrats. I have one (Bean)

They are republicans that called themselves Dems to get elected.

Both the DLC and the Blue Dogs have to be purged from the Dem Party.

[onenote]

23. so you'd rather have republicans who call themselves republicans elected?

Cause that's basically your choice. A district that elected Heath Shuler isn't going to elect a Dennis Kucinich clone or even a Henry Waxman clone.

[Phred42]

28. Are you kidding me?

What the hell is the difference what they call them selves?

THE RESULTS ARE ALL THE SAME - Don't you get it?

Newt's Permanent republican majority is HERE! We just saw it - again

[onenote]

33. yawn...

sorry if you can't see any difference.

[Phred42]

38. The reason this happened is that Pelosi and Reid are JUST as guilty of

Torture, the War, the mortgage meltdown, the recession (soon to be depression) and all of the other illegal crap we blame the Reich for.

They didn't even have to bring this to a vote now - they could have let it slide until the next Congress - but chose to do it now -WHILE THEY STILL HAD CONTROL. They did this to keep their own asses out of jail.

Republican / Democrat..... it becomes a distinction without a difference and we end up with the dirty little secret: Newt's permanent republican majority is in place. It's simply that many of them just use the D

Unfortunately, there are VERY few Democrats left in Washington. Pelosi & Reid ain't among them.

[MNBrewer]

45. Better than a Democrat that votes like a Republican

Yes.

[Maureen1322]

27. Conyers words, not mine.

[moodforaday]

18. Pelosi, for one, is not BEING blackmailed.

Rather, she appears to be one of those doing the blackmailing:

Can Nancy Pelosi single-handedly take impeachment off the table? - By Bruce Fein - Slate Magazine


The prospect of an impeachment inquiry by the House judiciary committee would concentrate the minds of the president and vice president wonderfully on obeying rather than sabotaging the Constitution. But Speaker Pelosi has at least figuratively joined hands with the White House in opposition. Emulating the Queen of Hearts in Alice in Wonderland, she has threatened the removal of Michigan Rep. John Conyers from his chairmanship of the House judiciary committee if an impeachment inquiry were even opened, according to reliable congressional chatter.

http://www.slate.com/id/2172547/nav/tap1/

(August 2007!)

Yes, this is only hearsay, but it doesn't contradict anything we otherwise know.

ed: typo

[onenote]

22. good ol' bruce

I knew him back when he worked for the FCC, back when he was the architect of the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine. His access to Congressional 'chatter' is more limited than that of the average DUer.

Let's get this completely straight: there is virtually no way for Pelosi to remove Conyers from the Judiciary chairmanship. It would take a vote of the Democratic caucus and the caucus wouldn't stand for it. The Congressional Black Caucus in particular would raise a stink that Nancy wouldn't be able to stand.

She can't remove him. She won't remove him. And she's not preventing Conyers from doing anything. Conyers has made his own judgment about the politics of impeachment. He can count votes. And anyone who takes a look at the vote on FISA and thinks that the votes are there for impeachment is delusional.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

19. As long as Pelosi goes first

[havocmom]

25. Yep Blackmailed AND cowards

fuck em

[midnight]

30. It sure makes you wonder what is going on.

[rhett o rick]

31. That would be a good start, but I am afraid it goes way much deeper. nm

[Phred42]

35. Agree - but as you said - its' a start

[Deja Q]

36. Not sure about Pelosi, but when that used wipe Reid let people in to pray in front of congress,

I knew it was time for him to go.

[penndragon69]

41. DLC traitors.

Tell Israel to shove it up their yamakas ! And yours too Pelosi!

[jwirr]

42. I agree and the best thing they could do for the USA is resign now. If

they cannot fulfill the job they took an oath to fulfill then they should throw themselves on their swords.

[Auggie]

44. Good luck. Pelosi is in for four more years.

There's no one from San Francisco's district with the support to take her on except maybe Matt Gonzales, but he's running with Nader.

[MNBrewer]

50. How'd she wind up with a 4 year term? ;)

[orleans]

46. or WHORES. thom hartman was saying comcast is hoyer's second

biggest contributor.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

48. There are other policians I think it's more important to stop, to be honest.

I care more about getting Republicans out than getting Democrats out.

And the two goals, while not quite diametrically opposed, are pretty close to it. The last thing we need now is more infighting.

[deacon]

49. kick n/t