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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:11 PM
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Political issues which you will not discuss at DU simply because
it will create flame bait.

Do others have that same sort of feeling, that there are simply some issues best left untalked about, because your opinion of an issue would make you unpopular or enrage others?

While it seems, for the most part, that people are mostly tolerant of almost every single topic of interest, in practice it isn't quite that clean-cut. The primaries were a very clear point of showing this polemic and the uproar it caused.

And then there is the concern for political correctness--there are too many people who are sensitive to some issues and opinions, and often those of us who feel a certain way are challenged by those who are looking for references to certain phrases, cliches, what have you, and will become belligerent no matter how innocent something might seem to the person who says it.

Sometimes, I want to rant and shout about something, but I hesitate, and often find myself editing my writing to eliminate anything which might offend someone. It takes away some of the spontaneity of my writing, though, and in the end, I have to wonder if what I say even approaches the full intent of my comments. Do certain axioms and comments have loaded meanings? Of course they do, but sometimes that's the point--to say something in an outrageous way to spark discussion and debate. Instead, some people simply attack the author of a piece without "getting" what the piece is about in the first place.

A couple of times, to be sarcastic, I have posted a "disclaimer" on my work, simply to make it completely clear that I'm not trying to offend anyone or any group in particular, and that the words and tone are intentional in order to get the ball rolling. But I decided some time later that posting a disclaimer implies that some of the people reading the post are halfwits--if someone can't get the tone of the piece without a warning, they shouldn't be here, trying to answer such a post. Rhetoric can be a powerful device in the creation of writing, but unless people are aware of and familiar with it, then it serves no purpose other than to be loud and offensive.

I know the Humanities in college and high school have been short shrifted for some time now--hell, in some places, basic biology and evolution are so volatile as to be rendered useless--but if we could introduce different styles of writing used throughout history, we should be able to make it easily apparent what style of writing is being utilized, and then the words used will become part of the argument, not the argument itself.

I would love to see more engaging discussions, without the flames thrown on what is perfectly good writing, just because someone doesn't understand the purpose of the piece. Hell, in one example, I could even imagine someone taking a historical piece of writing such as "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift (a satirical piece if you aren't familiar with it) and taking it at face value.

Toning down a piece of writing to make it appeal to the lowest common denominator often weakens it, and certainly makes the thoughts in it as bland as possible, fully removing the bite, the wit and the spirit of something. Trying to be so politically correct that you lose your edge in writing begs the question of whether the writing is even worth the effort. There are times when perceived insults make true debate impossible, when every single word is weighted as to its meaning and tone, instead of examining the writing as a whole.

The impact of such writing is forever lost, and while some people will be happier and cozier in their beds at night, believing that they are helping to abolish narrow-mindedness, they are helping to abolish a mode of writing which goes back over 3000 years, and which has been highly effective many times in history.

Hey, the next generation has, across the board, helped to wipe out grammar and spelling already, so what do they care about understanding literature?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:14 PM
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1. I don't think it can be done on such a large message board.
I think some other places will allow for deeper discussions. Also, the fact that people can post here for free allows the kind of drive-by criticism that can disrupt and intimidate. A place where people pay for posting privileges tends to attract more commitment to building community.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:37 PM
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2. It seems that many "discussions"...
of Israel/Palestine or Christianity/Atheism seem to bring on the heat pretty quickly, and from all sides.
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Sundoggy Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:42 PM
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3. What, and take a chance...
...on the dreaded "Hoo boy" accompanied by the eating-popcorn icon? ;)
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:48 PM
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4. there are some things about which I won't start a thread,
just because it'll be more heat than light. If the thread's already started, though...
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 05:11 PM
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5. Yes, there are some things, I SHOULD stay away from
posting, and I may actually stay away from it in the future, but there are a number of "scientists" that think almost any kind of natural health discussions are part of the snake-oil world, and it is one thing to disagree politely, but it usually strikes a nerve in such a way that makes me think I'm on a rethuglican board.

The basic rule should be to disagree respectively. There are never any good reasons to begin name-calling, ever!

The vaccine debate also raises a few eyebrows.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 05:14 PM
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6. Well as long as you agree with most everyone and are willing to
go with the popular flow you will be alright. Just don't question anything or it will become some sort of flame baiting. Man I hate that term.
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