So lets see, the House passes a FISA bill giving immunity to the Telecoms

[nadinbrzezinski]

We have no impeachment on the table (since we should not hurt our precious minds with this Constitution stuff)

The war goes on as if nothing happened....

We have torture hearings, but the next obvious step... impeachment, is not taken... but hey we held some hearings!

Tell me folks, now that the fourth Amendment is for all intents and purposes dead, and we only have the Great Writ back by the grace of five justices, what has actually changed and who is holding who's feet to the fire?

Oh wait, but you can vote in November!!!!!!!!!

Whoopy doo, one marker of a fascist state are fully manipulated "open and free" elections

Here are the fourteen symptoms of an openly fascist state

http://www.operationawareness.com/whats_new_10.html

And then you tell me where we are ok...


Oh and yes, that Constitution thingy, is a damn fucking piece of paper! That is what they are telling you in an open way, and daring you to do something about it. Hey, they are counting on you NOT doing a thing!

So exactly what changed in 2006?

And for those who are loyal foot soldiers, well this is not a fucking sport... and you are not that different from the "other side" who also sees this as my team is winning or not...

[tekisui]

1. And Big Oil is moving into Iraq.

And, will use our soldiers as shields. For a generation.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. For some reason I don't expect that one to last 25 years

the definition of a generation... but for reasons OUTSIDE the control of the imperialists

[newmajority]

2. Impeach Jellyfish Pelosi first.

Then impeach Cheney & Chimp.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. You cannot impeach that jellyfish, and that is part of the problem

but she won't be voted out either... since the devil I know is better than... you know the rest.

[Buzz Clik]

19. She won't be "impeached", and she will be re-elected by her California constituents.

It's a neverending cycle.

[islandmkl]

3. time for change within the party, too....

at least delay & the rw criminal/sex monkeys forced their shit down our throats with glee and abandon...

nancy & harry just milquetoast our ass into irrelevance...

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. But to do that people need to first recognize there is a problem

[Rick Myers]

4. We're doomed!

I don't know what else to say... The entire House and Senate have been turned into rubber-stamp collaborators with the Unitary Executive!!! The experiment is over. If has failed...

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. It is over, indeed

but here is the part people miss, we are doomed as long as we collectively choose to go along to get along

There are actions we can take.. but so far refuse to, as a people I mean

[LSparkle]

26. Did telecom immunity pass today?

I hadn't heard that there was a vote on it yet ...

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. let me find you linkie

here you go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3484365&mesg_id=3484365

It is just the House and the Senate is cold to it, but...

[LSparkle]

32. WTF is going on in the House? Take the fucking gavel away from Pelosipaloosa!

Talk about a DINO ...

:argh:

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. ah but some still defend her, after all she is on our team

:sarcasm:

[jobycom]

9. Maybe you should look up the fourteen symptoms of a persecution/messiah complex.

:shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Did you even read them, and do you have a problem with ahem HISTORY

or is this all about MY TEAM IS WINNING

WHOOHOOO

If it is, you are part of the problem

[skooooo]

13. You're problem...

...is that you can't consider other points of view. This is about your ego, your being "right," and no one disagreeing with you.


YAWN

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Ah the board psychologist is on board

COOOL

Should I point to you the many scholarly papers on Fascists states?

YAWN... why do that and trouble your beautiful mind.

[skooooo]

16. attack the messenger

But not the message.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Which is EXACTLY what you do so well

thank you

[skooooo]

22. You preclude people participating and make yourself look like...

....a rather pompous fellow by including in your OP:

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Oh and yes, that Constitution thingy, is a damn fucking piece of paper! That is what they are telling you in an open way, and daring you to do something about it. Hey, they are counting on you NOT doing a thing!

So exactly what changed in 2006?

And for those who are loyal foot soldiers, well this is not a fucking sport... and you are not that different from the "other side" who also sees this as my team is winning or not...


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But I will certainly keep my eyes open just in case you are not as close minded and myopic as you seem to be.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Sorry if you don't get it, perhaps it is time I send you to the ignore dungeon?

serious...

[skooooo]

28. I guess so!!

Smell ya later!

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. There you go, IGNORE NOW FULLY IMPLEMENTED

[jobycom]

21. Sigh.

Look, I'm as frustrated as you. But screaming at the liberals most involved in trying to change things that everything is wrong and only you realize it isn't productive, and is quite insulting. We all see it. Your vision isn't better than anyone else's here. We all know the problems. We are busy looking for the solutions. If you've got some of them, let us know. If you just want to insult everyone, you're hurting, not helping.

[skooooo]

23. thank you!

:hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Ok I will ask again, where are SUBSTANTIVE acts to

protect the Constitution?

And yes LIBERALS are trying, see Kucinich... but tell me exactly when is the LEADERSHIP, who promised accountability... ACTING on this?

I can read thank you and the BLUE DOG, DLC branch of the party IS driving policy

The Progressives\ Liberals, have little say, or did you miss the bill the HOUSE is about to pass... giving essentially a pass to the Telecoms?

And until that changes I will hold them ACCOUNTABLE!

Sight indeed

[skooooo]

27. Posting on DU is holding them accountable??

:rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. Not voting for them is holding them accountable

which is what I am doing, how about you?

Oh wait GO TEAM!!!!!!!!

[jobycom]

34. Another sigh.

Politics happens every second of the day, not just in election years, and you never win by waving a magic wand to make the other side vanish, and you never, ever, ever, just fix everything once and for all. It's a continuous process, where you do what you can with what you've got, try to get more, and try to steer things in the right direction. Picture a car, where everyone is pushing it in the direction they want it to go, from 360 degrees. The car goes nowhere. If one side stops pushing and starts screaming, they lose ground. The only way to move the car in the direction you want to go is to get others who are pushing in roughly the same direction as you to compromise, work together, and get the car moving that way while the other side is still fighting each other. Then, when you've progressed a ways, you can resume the fight to determine the next step.

Screaming isn't liberal, it's petulant.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. And NOT voting for those who systematically surrender my rights

REGARDLESS of party is my only way to respond to this.

Sigh...

And I know how the game is played... but the American CENTER is truly right wing

[skooooo]

11. lmao...

lol


:rofl:

[Buzz Clik]

12. "Oh wait, but you can vote in November!" I'd be willing to wager ...

... that 90% of DUers with a Dem representing them in Congress either didn't vote in their primary, voted for their incumbant Democrat, or their Dem incumbant was running unopposed. They missed their opportunity to make a real change.

We have known for 7 solid years that the Dems in Congress have done nothing to stem the tide of power grabbing and illegal activities by the Bush administration. But, we won't vote them out.

We always get the government we deserve.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. I voted for the challenger

care to guess what was the percentage of the vote he got?

10%

But you are right, again, for many this is about the devil they know...

[Buzz Clik]

17. Two thumbs up for you. I, too, squandered my vote on the challenger.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. And I will squander it on the green candidate this november in HOPES

she gets the message. Yep, one of those 80% + seats...

So I hope we can make it 60%+

Not counting on it, AT ALL