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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:06 PM
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Strange Bedfellows Unite to Fight FISA Deal
Edited on Wed Jun-18-08 07:13 PM by Truth2Tell
Hugely important press release today from the ACLU:

Strange Bedfellows Unite to Fight FISA Deal (6/18/2008)

Contact: (202) 675-2312, media@dcaclu.org

Washington, DC -- A sham spying deal could be rammed through both the Senate and House this week. It’s moving that fast. If we don’t stop this, telecom companies that broke the law by supplying mountains of personal information to the government without a warrant will be let off the hook.

A broad alliance of strange bedfellows is now forming to support a campaign to fight the gutting of FISA (The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) with the intent to work together on all civil liberties, constitutional rights and rule of law issues.

The ACLU is joining with activists from the Ron Paul campaign, represented by Break the Matrix, Rick Williams and Trevor Lymon, and civil liberties writer Glenn Greenwald of Salon, and leading liberal bloggers including, Jane Hamsher of firedoglake, Matt Stoller of Open Left, John Amato of Crooks and Liars, Howie Klein of Down with Tyranny, Digby, Josh Nelson of The Seminal and activist Josh Koster to tell Congress that we will not let them ignore the Constitution or give immunity to telecoms which deliberately broke our laws for years.

This group of Strange Bedfellows is mobilizing a broad-based left-right coalition of office holders and candidates, public interest groups and individuals who are devoted to preserving basic constitutional liberties to join in the fight. The goal is to work together to impede the corrupt FISA/telecom amnesty deal.

Whole release http://www.aclu.org/safefree/nsaspying/35718prs20080618.html">here.


A broad-based left-right coalition... devoted to preserving basic constitutional liberties...

Halla-fucking-luya!

So the ACLU has teamed up with the Paul-ites and the liberal blogosphere to finally get in the faces of the appeasers. Oh, and the Electronic Frontier Foundation is on board as well.

Glen Greenwald at Salon lays out the two phase plan of the new coalition:

...our campaign will be unveiled in two phases, with Phase I to entail an immediate ad campaign aimed at three key Democratic enablers of this bill -- Hoyer, Chris Carney, and Blue Dog Rep. John Barrow of Georgia. The reasons for targeting Hoyer are self-evident and were set forth yesterday, and the campaign against Carney -- who has long been one of the Blue Dogs http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/blue-dogs-on-hoyers-fisa-leash-2008-04-30_2.html">spearheading the effort behind this bill -- is already underway and will continue.

Rep. John Barrow was, like Carney, one of the http://www.correntewire.com/blue_dog_traitors_0">21 Blue Dogs who signed the letter to Nancy Pelosi back in March demanding that they be allowed to vote on the Rockefeller/Cheney Senate bill. In July, Barrow faces a very credible primary challenger -- http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2008/04/arch-reactionary-bush-dog-john-barrow.html">Georgia State House Rep. Regina Thomas -- who is much more in step with the district's Democratic base.

-snip

Phase II will involve a massive money bomb, to be planned by the same people who were http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-17-ronpaul-fundraising_N.htm">behind the money bombs that raised millions and millions of dollars for the Ron Paul presidential campaign. The dates and other details for that will be announced shortly.

The plan there is to raise an extraordinary amount of money -- dwarfing the $90,000 raised in the last 24 hours -- by going to all of the various constituents of each member of this coalition in order to fuel a real campaign in defense of civil liberties, constitutional protections and the rule of law. The money raised will be used to oppose and punish those vulnerable members of Congress who continue to support the evisceration of our constitutional framework and core civil liberties, while supporting candidates and office-holders who meaningfully oppose that assault.

Tons more http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/18/fisa_campaign/index.html">here.


...a real campaign in defense of civil liberties, constitutional protections and the rule of law.

This effort is long overdue IMHO. The numbnards in Washington need to be "trained", as Greenwald says, to understand that there is a real constituency for defending our constitution. Thus far, that constituency has been dormant and fragmented, and thus ignored.

I implore my fellow DUers to take part in this effort. Take a five minute breather from the "Fuck Tim Russert" threads and head over to ActBlue and contribute a few Dollars to http://www.actblue.com/page/fisa">Blue America PAC vs Retroactive Immunity.

Even The New York Times caught the spirit on this one today:

In the waning months of his tenure, President Bush and his allies are once again trying to scare Congress into expanding the president’s powers to spy on Americans without a court order.

This week, the White House and Democratic and Republican leaders on Capitol Hill hope to announce a “compromise” on a domestic spying bill. If they do, it will be presented as an indispensable tool for protecting the nation’s security that still safeguards our civil liberties. The White House will paint opponents as weak-kneed liberals who do not understand and cannot stand up to the threat of terrorism.

The bill is not a compromise. The final details are being worked out, but all indications are that many of its provisions are both unnecessary and a threat to the Bill of Rights. The White House and the Congressional Republicans who support the bill have two real aims. They want to undermine the power of the courts to review the legality of domestic spying programs. And they want to give a legal shield to the telecommunications companies that broke the law by helping Mr. Bush carry out his warrantless wiretapping operation.

-snip

Lawsuits against those companies are the best hope of finding out the extent of Mr. Bush’s lawless spying. But Democratic leaders in Congress are reported to have agreed to a phony compromise drafted by Senator Christopher Bond, the Republican vice chairman of the Intelligence Committee.

Whole editorial http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/18/opinion/18wed1.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin">here.


Again, it's about friggin' time! And again, here's http://www.actblue.com/page/fisa">where to give.







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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:10 PM
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1. thanks for this important info. and where are all the socalled
conservative voices?

can you imagine Barry Goldwater's reaction to this?

remember all those pukes who wailed about Clinton putting people in camps, and BS like that?

where are they now?

and where are fricking DEMS?

they're almost worse, as they have no excuse, other than being in the pockets of Big Telecom

oh...here they are, looking over in the corner:



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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:23 PM
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2. now that's exciting
here's a bi-partisan effort I can believe in.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:30 PM
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3. donated, k&r
Thanks for info.
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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:48 PM
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4. another donation and k&r
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:48 PM
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5. It's amazing what you have to do
to get attention focused on a good cause. Still, it worked on me - nice job :)

:kick:
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:21 PM
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6. Thanks!
:)

I know this was naughty and I assume I will be appropriately horse-whipped by the mods sometime soon. I plead Russert-insanity.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:27 PM
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7. And I'm in. n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:31 PM
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8. kick
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:43 PM
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9. Just goes to show
both sides value their freedoms. That is one helluva biwingual coalition.

gotta love john stewart.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:36 PM
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10. Sad that this is not priority # one for DUers
They are too busy complaining about high gas prices (like they have in Europe)
to notice that the Vichy Dems are trying to screw our constitution.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 10:45 PM
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11. This is great news, thanks!
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/nsaspying/35718prs20080618.html

"...Glenn Greenwald said, "The Beltway establishment has made clear that they support the Bush administration's assault on our basic constitutional protections and the rule of law. Constitutional rights and the rule of law are not liberal or conservative principles. They're American principles, and this broad-based alliance is devoted to defending them from the bipartisan political class that wants to trample upon them."


http://www.thestrangebedfellows.com/

Strange Bedfellows Unite to Fight FISA Deal
Ron Paul supporters, the ACLU and liberal blogs are uniting

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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 12:19 AM
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12. Thanks for posting that link!
It looks like the same on-line donation tool the Paul people used.

It's good to see those clowns putting their Web savvy to decent use for a change.

:)
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:29 AM
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18. YW, coalition will continue regardless of outcome on FISA...
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/18/fisa_campaign/index.html

"...The Beltway establishment needs to be trained to understand that there is a real constituency for defending our constitutional framework. Thus far, that constituency has been dormant and fragmented, and thus ignored. That, more than anything, is what needs to change, and this coalition and the initial two-phase strategy is intended to be merely a start towards changing that, and will continue regardless of the outcome of this FISA/amnesty vote..."

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 12:46 AM
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13. Exefuckinglent!
:applause:
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:19 PM
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27. Yes!
:hi:

New word for me! I just had to say it aloud!
A few times...:blush:


:yourock:


peace~
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:45 PM
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37. Peace Dystopian
:hi:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 12:50 AM
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14. Paulites are conservatives who have felt the sting of MSM bias usually reserved for democrats.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 01:14 AM
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15. K&R This needs to be top priority for DU! No telecom Immunity!
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 01:30 AM
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16. Kick!
Strange bedfellows are fine with me! Whatever works!

Got to stop this altogether!

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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 06:37 AM
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17. morning kick. n/t
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:49 AM
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19. Can Obama make a difference on this legislation??? ...
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 08:50 AM by slipslidingaway
In any campaign we always hear...

"When I am elected..."

This bill is being worked on NOW, trying to reverse legislation later is a risky promise.


http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/18/fisa_campaign/index.html

One last point: Barack Obama has, in the past, emphatically opposed warrantless eavesdropping and telecom amnesty. In response to emails his campaign has received over the past couple days, he has been sending out an email containing the following statements:

...Giving retroactive immunity to telecom companies is simply wrong. Thankfully, the most recent effort to pass this legislation at the end of the legislative year failed. I unequivocally oppose this grant of immunity and support the filibuster of it...

This Administration has put forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we demand. When I am president, there will be no more illegal wire-tapping of American citizens...



Those are fine words, but he need not -- and should not -- wait until he's President to begin putting a stop to these abuses. With meaningful action now, he could either stop this bill by himself or significantly impede it, and The New York Times Editorial Board was right when it said today that he should:

Senator Barack Obama opposes immunity and voted against the temporary expansion of FISA. We hope he will show strong leadership this time. He might even take time off from the campaign to vote against the disturbing deal brewing in the back rooms of Congress.

The best way for a candidate to demonstrate that he is serious and authentic about "change" and "leadership" is to demonstrate those attributes when he can -- with actions, not just words."



I posted this the other day...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3472595&mesg_id=3473301

...I always felt that if the Democratic Party really wanted to challenge this the candidates should have been "educating" the people in their speeches and /or fight for it on the Senate floor, Clinton and Obama could have made a big difference if they made it an issue. I know Obama came back to vote on the amendments, but the media might have picked up a speech on the floor from either of these candidates. Dodd was already out of the race and did not receive very much coverage anyway...



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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:54 AM
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20. kick n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 01:16 PM
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21. done...
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 01:38 PM
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22. Just a gentle nudge to get some more attention for this cause
and hopefully more donations. Thanks for providing a link to an ActBlue group :)
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:59 PM
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23. k n/t
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 03:52 PM
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24. K&R n/t
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 03:53 PM
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25. I don't really have the money but
I did make a small contribution.

Q3JR4.
Oh yeah, KICKED for civil liberties!
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:14 PM
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26. Thank you, Truth2Tell *k&r*
:yourock:

Awesome news, thank you for posting!


peace~
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:33 PM
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28. K &R...
:kick:
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:35 PM
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29. K&R
.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:53 PM
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30. Call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is too late for donations. Call Obama. He needs to be
out there with this; if he isn't, why NOT?
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 05:00 PM
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31. K&R. We need to do this or quit.
If Clinton votes for this, I will renounce all of my support for her.

If Obama doesn't show the leadership he professes and get up on the floor and stop this, I think voting in November will finally be pointless.

We got Democrats in control of both houses and we still can't get them to do the right thing. Do we have any leaders who can do the right thing.

It has to about more than just having your team win; it has to be about something.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 05:29 PM
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32. This is Obama's first big test as the new leader of the party.
Can he bring the other Democrats along? This will be telling.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 05:48 PM
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33. Donated. K&R! nt
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 06:33 PM
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34. K&R















"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot



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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:11 PM
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35. Donation- check. Kick- check. Rec-check. Thank you T2T for going after this.
eom
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:39 PM
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36. Saw a quote at Daily Kos that $10,000 had been raised earlier today in the space of 3 hours.
Not bad.
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djp2 Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 12:10 AM
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38. Kick
K&R
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 12:08 PM
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39. Well, I guess they blew it, Congress passed the bill, albeit under some weak compromise
...BushCo got what they have been looking for
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 12:13 PM
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40. according to Greenwald, the money will be used to fight pro-immunity candidates
This November. We can hope to replace the fuckers who went along with BushCo on this.

Tho I have to admit my Hope supply is on the red line today.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 05:48 PM
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41. Kick!
:kick:

Thank you for this!

Sorry Senator Obama, my $25.00 bi-weekly
discretionary donation money is going to
fight for our 4th amendment!
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:43 PM
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42. k&d
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