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Alhena (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:39 PM Original message |
I'm sorry but Obama's offshore drilling position is a political loser |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
1. so you're buying the oil company spin that trashing coastal protection |
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Alhena (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. What coastal protection? I don't recall oil ever washing onshore in La and Tx |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:44 PM Original message |
Let some people up the road in Santa Barbara tell you about years' worth of oil-ravaged beaches..., |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Alhena, oil is still washing up on the |
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Alhena (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
37. Ok, that's the first good reason I've heard. I wasn't aware of any accidents |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. What!? The oil company talking points don't include the accidents!!? ;-) |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
69. You are promoting offshore oil drilling and were unaware of the |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
76. It did happen in Texas. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. The wetlands are gone because of the oil |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. FACTS: |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. Thank you for bringing facts to the table BS.... |
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Alhena (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
40. Thanks for the info- Obama needs to emphasize that point |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. Try digging on the beach at Santa Barbara, CA... |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
27. How good is the fishing off shore in those two areas? That is one of |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
31. There've been, what, seven major accidents in the last five years? |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
62. there was not even oil spillage after Hurricane Katrina demolished several oil platforms. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. Jesus Fucking Christ, More Offshore Drilling WON'T REDUCE GAS PRICES BY EVEN ONE CENT |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. You're right but the GOP has told the "BIG LIE" fast and hard and dems sat there and "nuanced" their |
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Iwasthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Falling on deaf ears out there |
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Alhena (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. If that's the case then Obama should have said that ... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. "Those aren't good reasons for not doing it." YES THEY ARE |
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Alhena (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. It's pointless because we won't get results for 5 years? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. BULLSHIT!!! |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
71. And what will we do after we have used up THAT oil and yet |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. RIGHT ON! I've explained this to many GOPers and they get it |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
3. Selling more oil leases to the Oil Companies |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. YEAP, I explained that to my GOPer buddy and he understood COMPLETELY. Even GOPers get Big Oil is... |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. "More Offshore Drilling WON'T REDUCE GAS PRICES BY EVEN ONE CENT |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
54. Everyone here who has read The Shock Doctrine should recognize |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #54 |
82. yep, we are being "Enronized" |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's a band-aid when we need surgery |
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GrantDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
6. Oil is the problem; not the solution. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
7. The offshore drilling thing is as much a scam as the gas tax holiday... |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
9. Yep - This Will Be A Tough |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Wouldn't be tough IF the DNC would stop their stupid "nuance" responses and bumper sticker issues... |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
12. what's wrong with the approved leases? |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
15. My hyper-Republican neighbor told me "the oil drilling thing is just oil company BS" |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. I just heard today someone from the DNC bumper stickering a reply to ANWAR but the GOP has told the |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
47. The democrats are indeed horrible at |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
16. So, you're very concerned... |
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Alhena (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. No, my main concern is that the reasons he himself gave were bad ones |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. So then you're one of those people... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. Are You Fucking Kidding??? Those Are GREAT Reasons NOT TO DO IT! |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. They're not good POLITICAL reason not to do it but it's an excellent reason NOT to sell Big Oil |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #42 |
73. And where they are drilling and finding oil, they |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
55. Ok, so what do *you* think would be a good reason? |
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gatorboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
20. What about Florida? |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
21. We need a Manhattan Project |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
34. Just the ANNOUNCEMENT of a practical project would be a 30% dump in oil price IMHO but the... |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. I hate Raygun for it too.... |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Most GOPers are mis-informed about one of the fiscally worst and most racist president in a... |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Hell, I wish it was just republicants that were |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Hopefully "not this time" can inlcude the internets, Netroots usually are more informed and this yr |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
59. He is a Racist he ranks up there with Justice Taney |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
45. Or the JFK moon challenge... |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Yes, that one would sell better to democrats.... |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
30. if you think there is a supply crisis, show me the long gas lines please |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
66. If you think there's a leak in the boat, show me your wet hat |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. EIA numbers show a SLIGHT demand increase from 2004 - 2007 |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. Slight? |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
35. " . . . if those states want to allow it . . . " Hey, if we did, we would. |
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gulfbreeze (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
39. Norway does not let the Oil Companies take 100% of the profits |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
43. "Offshore drilling", "position"? Sounds like a republican congressional trip to Thailand |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #43 |
56. Or a drug addled gas bag.... |
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Phred42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
46. Read the Congressional Report that just came out |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Yeap, they're buying up leases and sitting on them. My GOPer buddy heard this and said "now wonder" |
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Phred42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-19-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #51 |
84. They are - DeFazio said it yesterday - Corporate Media is just not COvering it |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
50. Ah, anything to avoid driving less, I see |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. Bikes? Are you kidding,.. around where I live? Also, MOST major cities in the US do NOT have mass... |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. What's unreasonable about using a bike for a trip of less than five miles? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. But most Americans were silly enough to move to those places |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #57 |
75. THEN WHY DON"T YOU MOVE |
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Epiphany4z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
58. well it wont relieve |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Yeap, more oil for Big Oil to sell on the market and OPEC will respond by decrease production |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
60. If you're hurting because of gas prices, this drilling WILL NOT help you |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. I don't like the way they've let GOPers frame the issue, they could've SIMPLY demonized Big Oil long |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. It's true that they may not have chosen the best of the many arguments against drilling |
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2Design (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
63. gas prices aren't about oil - it is about oil men and profits - they did this in the 70's - need |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
64. Alhena, please read this: Fakery and Fibbery on Oil Exploration |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
70. We could starting building the rigs today |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
77. Why is it so effing hard.. |
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wain (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
78. Good post, Althena, but nobody seems to want to listen |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Well, NO ONE can wave a magic wand and make the high gas prices go away |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 09:17 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. OK, Jeenyus, Explain How This Idiocy Will Help |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
81. your thoughts are that of a swing voter |
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