Reliable Source: Pelosi & Hoyer's Traitorous Plan To Pass FISA & PRETEND Its NOT Their Fault!

[kpete]

the “blue dogs” are being used as cover so that the house leadership can vote “no” and pretend to be our allies while manipulating the procedures to make sure a bad bill passes. we have seen this again and again since last august.

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UPDATE: A few additional points:

* There are reports from very reliable sources that Hoyer, after engineering this "compromise" and ensuring it has enough votes to pass, will then vote against it so he can claim it's not his fault (as will Pelosi). Worse, the Democratic leadership in the Senate (Reid and Durbin) have been saying that while they oppose the "compromise" and will vote against it, they will do nothing to impede its passage. From The Hill just now http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/senate-dems-wont-block-fisa-compromise-2008-06-17.html (after I wrote this update):

Senate Democratic leaders said Tuesday that they would not stand in the way of a compromise overhaul of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), despite their concerns with the impacts of the sprawling measure.

Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), who also sits on the Judiciary Committee, said some Democrats are "not happy with that, but there may be enough to get a majority vote."

When asked if he would whip his conference to vote against it, Durbin said: "I doubt if it’s going to be a caucus position."

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) predicted Tuesday that there is enough support within the Democratic Conference to approve a contentious overhaul of the FISA legislation. . . . .

Reid said that he would not ask his members to vote against the bill and that he still had not reviewed the language, pointing out that negotiators have been saying for weeks that they had a deal on the contentious issue.

more at:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/17/hoyer/

[williesgirl]

1. This is fucking bullshit. Just why did we work so hard in 2006? For this shit? NOT. rec'd

[MadMaddie]

2. So when Obama wins can we replace Pelosi and Reid?

They could have fought this and yet they still act like the Republicans are in control, capitulating every chance they get.

[bemildred]

4. The more "new blood" there is, the better the chances. nt

[Canuckistanian]

3. Why not DO NOTHING?

What's the rush to pass this?

There are already laws to deal with FISA wiretaps.

Why the urgency?

[MadMaddie]

7. That's exactly it..what's the rush. If I were a betting woman I am

betting the WH promised something in return of course with a Chesire grin and all fingers and toes crossed. And then

wait for it....Pelosi and Reid will act surprised that they didn't see the sucker punch coming....

Can't get rid of them from those positions soon enough.

[jgraz]

12. There's no longer any way to see this as anything but intentional collaboration.

Seriously, what else can it be? They know they'll pay a political price for doing this. There must be some other reason that they're protecting this president.

[Leopolds Ghost]

19. Don't forget that this bill indemnifies the President for his chief crime, wiretapping citizens.

[Leopolds Ghost]

16. They are not being PAID by the telecoms and security/wiretapping firms to do NOTHING.

[jtrockville]

5. How could they betray us like this?

[jgraz]

11. At this point, we're betraying ourselves.

Fool me once and all that...

[bluesmail]

6. I'm afraid this is going to happen, what They will do

for an encore after Bush, hopefully leaves office, hopefully, yes hopefully might surprise many. I said hopefully didn't I?

[Selatius]

8. Doesn't the FISA overhaul also include a provision giving immunity to telecom companies?

If that bit is in there, then it would be even worse.

[Leopolds Ghost]

17. It also prevents people from taking the matter to court to prove they are being wiretapped

To demonstrate that it is unconstitutional.

[SusanaMontana41]

9. Sickening

I had such high hopes in November 2006. Doesn't the majority party set the agendas? Why not do nothing instead of passing bad laws?

Playing politics with our rights is a GOP tactic. Shame on the Bush enablers.

[Supersedeas]

22. leadership - Pelosi style

[jgraz]

10. This is not the first time they've done this

They engineer a capitulation to Bush lawlessness and then hide behind their "nay" votes. Absolutely disgusting.

[Supersedeas]

26. where is the leadership?

[Zhade]

13. Correct me if I'm wrong, but DON'T THE DEMS CONTROL WHICH BILLS COME TO THE FLOOR???

If so, why is this even coming to a vote?

[VP505]

25. That's only part of the question.

The other part is why is Hoyer and Rockefeller working so hard to get another unnecessarily bill?

[ToeBot]

14. Not a dime's worth of difference. nt

[Leopolds Ghost]

15. Despicable.

The question is, will Obama supporters or the blogosphere do anything about it? Or do they care about the constitution?

[Leopolds Ghost]

18. Look how few replies this has gotten.

Most Dems do not care about their civil liberties. How many posts are there about this vs. other subjects?

What happened to all those folks who objected to us bringing this up?

As I recall some of them were dogged Clinton supporters. (Allegedly.)

I expect the next President will begin similarly selling us out
by failing to stand up against this, just like Dodd failed to honor
his filibuster.

[tbyg52]

21. Well, here's another reply and rec

I think this is the most important issue on the table right now. I've called everybody I'm supposed to call, signed everything I'm supposed to sign, and forwarded to everybody I know. Nobody in DC is listening, but I keep talking anyway.

[libodem]

20. The world has turned to

shit in my lifetime. I grew up believing America stood for upholding our constitutional rights. How has it gone so wrong in the last 7 years?

[Disturbed]

23. Offshore secret bank accounts of certain folk in Congress

got phat.

[pleah]

24. They are traitors to the American people it they let this happen.