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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:28 AM
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The New Yorker: One Angry Man; Is Keith Olbermann changing TV news?
The Political Scene
One Angry Man
Is Keith Olbermann changing TV news?
by Peter J. Boyer
June 23, 2008


Olbermann reveres Murrow, but Murrow never called a President “Idiot-in-Chief.’’

....The jeremiad against Bush was a signature Olbermann effort, the sort of stylized, mocking tirade that has lately made him a cable-news sensation, the Edward R. Murrow of the Angry Left. Olbermann was pleased with the script, and the next day, before going on the air with it, he posted excerpts on the liberal blog Daily Kos, which is a fairly good representation of the Olbermann fan base. The Kossacks wholly approved. (“You excoriated the bloodyhanded, warmongering imbecile.” “This country cannot survive without you.” “Dude, you’ve got a pair of steel ones!” “I’m gonna print it out, hang it up and memorize it.”)

At MSNBC, the feedback was slightly more cautious. Olbermann’s original script identified the “cold-blooded killers” as everyone at the Pentagon and in the Bush Cabinet; when a colleague noted that that would include such relative moderates as Colin Powell and Defense Secretary Robert Gates, Olbermann modified the line. Phil Griffin, the senior vice-president in charge of MSNBC (“Phil thinks he’s my boss,” Olbermann says), raised the matter of tone. Why did Olbermann need to end his commentary by telling the President of the United States to “shut the hell up”?

“Because I can’t say, ‘Shut the fuck up,’ that’s why, frankly,” Olbermann responded. The line stayed in.

Phil Griffin is a compact, nearly bald man with the intensity and the revved-up metabolism of a TV-news field producer, which is how he spent his early career. He speaks in quick bursts, and his conversations tend to the elliptical. Griffin was Olbermann’s first television producer, nearly thirty years ago, when both of them were at the start of their careers, Griffin as a CNN producer, Olbermann as an innovative, eccentric radio sportscaster making his first foray into television. It was Griffin’s job to handle Olbermann, to teach him about the frenetic, video-hungry new world of cable news. In a way, he still sees himself as Olbermann’s handler. “You don’t take Keith on by just saying, ‘You can’t do that,’ ” Griffin told me. “Keith is reasonable. But you’ve got to be smart. Keith is usually two steps ahead of me, when I do come and say, ‘Keith . . .’ It’s a give-and-take.”

When, in 1981, Olbermann arrived at CNN, then still in its startup throes, he was, at twenty-two, seen as a sportscasting wunderkind—smart, offbeat, and possessed of an encyclopedic range of knowledge. He also had the reputation, even among those who admired his talents, of being somewhat difficult. Growing up in suburban Hastings-on-Hudson, in Westchester County, he was the sort of kid who, when his parents thought psychological testing was in order, responded to the Rorschach test by saying, “It looks like an inkblot.” Advised that Keith might be better served by a private education, his parents—Theodore, a commercial architect, and Marie, a preschool teacher—enrolled him at the Hackley School, in Tarrytown. It wasn’t an easy adjustment; Keith had skipped a grade and was younger than anyone else in his class, and he wasn’t a jock. But he was a good student, and the school’s radio station became his home. Olbermann worked as a sports stringer in college, at Cornell, and when he graduated, in 1979, he went directly to a sportscasting job at UPI radio in New York.

Olbermann’s style stood out from the start....

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/06/23/080623fa_fact_boyer?currentPage=all
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:31 AM
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1. Posted previously - but a very entertaining article form the New Yorker
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:36 AM
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4. Oh, darn -- I didn't look there. Maybe I'll leave it here...
so others who miss it there will see it.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 02:37 PM
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27. You speak of me, DeepModem Mom.
I just finished reading the whole article & it was eye-opening for me on a couple of points, so I appreciate your posting this article -- it's the first time I've seen it.

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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 04:26 PM
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29. I'm glad you found it valuable, 8 -- I did, also! nt
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 02:03 PM
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23. Ah, one article posts at basically 6:15 in the AM (While most people
West of the East coast are asleep) and the other posts two hours later.

A little lesson for us all abt good times to post. (One of my theories is the worst time to post is 2Pm on a Friday afternoon - people too busy rushing home from work or planning on rushing home from work to be at the keyboard blogging much, Haven't researched it thoroughly though.))
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 06:56 PM
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37. I belong to a lot of lists and I have found in 12 years that the best
time to post is Monday to Thursday. Friday to Sunday are slower.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:32 PM
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41. Some eBay adviser says that the best time to have your closing time on any auction site is 1 Pm to
10Pm on a Sunday.

But I guess people shop more than blog on weekends.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:32 AM
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2. " . . . but Murrow never called a President “Idiot-in-Chief.’’
But Bush wasn't pResident then either.



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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:09 PM
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17. Bingo.
Edited on Sun Jun-15-08 12:10 PM by mmonk
And Murrow's principle opponent in government ended up being (or was for clarication) a Senator.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 02:19 PM
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25. Right.
:rofl:
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:34 AM
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3. "It looks like an inkblot."
:rofl:

So he has a long history of cutting through the bullshit and telling it like it is. :thumbsup:
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:39 AM
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5. ummmm
"Olbermann dated Ingraham briefly a decade "

I didn't know that...am I really stupid not to have known that?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:49 AM
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6. I think I've heard it mentioned, but didn't ever want to go there. nt
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:18 AM
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10. you know...the more I think about it
I do feel like I heard it a while ago, but really pushed that image as far to the back of my brain as I possibly could.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:06 AM
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7. I knew that but I deemed it interesting but not
Important.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 12:51 AM
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42. It's been mentioned a few times.
Note, however, he didn't date her "briefly for a decade." He dated her briefly a decade ago.

God only knows why. He's a brilliant man, but his taste in women...I just don't know.
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dems_rightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:13 AM
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8. Why is the article dated 8 days from now?
What's up with that
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:17 AM
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9. Its from the next week's print edition of the magazine, I imagine.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:50 AM
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15. K Gardner is right. It's from the next/current newsstand issue of The New Yorker. nt
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:24 AM
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11. olberman is an entertainer who's job is to sell commercials..nothing more nt
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:39 AM
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12. Bullshit!
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:43 AM
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13. Double bullshit...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:11 PM
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18. Then entertainment is more revealing than news these days.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:51 PM
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22. exactly.
Just like Stewart gets some of the best guests on his show. Entertainment "news" shows sometimes give us more information than the "real news".
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 02:22 PM
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26. Right. That's why young people tune into the Daily Show and
The Colbert Report to get the news they can't get on "the news".
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 05:37 PM
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32. Young?
I'm 50 and I love "The Daily Show!" :)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 07:22 PM
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40. Me too and I'm almost seventy.
However, what I meant was that if it wasn't for those shows pointing out the absurdities in the the news as reported, younger people might accept everything they see on Faux News and the MSM as factual.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 04:35 PM
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30. Yes and far too partisan to be Murrow.
Not at all objective. Entertaining but not exactly journalism. Murrow was a very fine journalist first and foremost. Olbermann is basically just a commentator. Nothing wrong with that but hardly Murrow. And the deification of him here is just sickening.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 05:33 PM
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31. Only his linguistic skills & his adeptness at clever humor is "entertaining".
Edited on Sun Jun-15-08 05:34 PM by 8_year_nightmare
He is one of the few -- which includes Jon Stewart & Stephen Colbert -- who is astute enough to recognize that using humor when delivering dismal news will get the most attention, especially during a time when people are fed up with the "serious newsreaders" who gloss over & propagandize.

You're damn right that we "deify" Keith Olbermann. He speaks the truth, & truth has a way of being on our -- the liberals' -- side. I can only guess why our respect for Olbermann is "sickening" to you. How could truth be sickening?
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 07:12 PM
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38. Murrow might not even have been given a show in this modern era
where the audience wants to be entertained above all and facts and insight are secondary. I'm not suggesting that those on DU have that attitude, as they probably wouldn't be on here unless they were interested in more than entertainment. Personally, I love watching Keith and when I was a kid I remember watching Murrow with interest, especially that ever-lit cigarette. I love watching Amy Goodman who some accuse of being boring. I wonder, however, if Murrow's solemn attack on someone like McCarthy would even be allowed on commercial television in the age of infotainment and corporate control of the news.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:49 AM
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14. The major effect KO has had is that he has broken Faux News hold
on the news cycle. Prior to KO, all news stations took their lead from Faux since Faux had the "in" with the WH.

KO cut Faux News down to size so that the rantings of O'Reilly and crew are seen by the news media for what they are, rantings of rabid ring wing pundits.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:29 PM
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20. He called them on their crap LOUD and CLEAR.
And people started listening.


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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:05 PM
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16. Olbermann is probably the prime example of change
but it isn't he who's made the change. Olbermann is a left-wing blogger with a camera and a microphone. He and MSNBC are following the leads of left-wingers who've been blogging for years.

With the exception of some technological advances, television in its history has rarely led; it follows. Of late, it's becoming more apparent that it's following the lead of the internet.



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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 06:05 PM
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34. So right & wrong have nothing to do in this?
Murrow had some very strong opinions, and his viewers knew what they were.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 06:52 PM
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36. I don't understand your reply
I said nothing about Murrow. I wasn't even thinking about Murrow. I was responding to the initial question, "Is Keith Olbermann changing TV news?"



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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 12:56 AM
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43. How presumptuous. Olbermann has been a broadcaster since pre-Internet days.
He may have been doing sports much of that time, but sports was the world in which he learned the no-bullshit approach to reporting.

Saying that Olbermann is merely following a trail blazed before him by bloggers is like saying that Picasso painted his greatest works by stealing his visual ideas from a bunch of kids' fingerpaintings.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:09 AM
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45. The story referenced in the OP
is about the current incarnation of Olbermann. Ergo, so was my comment, and I stand by it.



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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:42 PM
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19. It used to be that the harbinger of a really bad day would be when a colleague would say...
"By the way, there's a CBS News truck out front, and Mike Wallace is at the door asking to speak to you."

Nowadays, it's "I saw on Countdown the other night that Keith Olbermann is going to do one of his 'Special Comments' tomorrow, and he said it's all about YOU."

:scared:
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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:35 PM
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21. He briefly dated Laura Ingram a decade ago?
:popcorn: :popcorn:
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 02:15 PM
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24. ''I've known her socially''
Edited on Sun Jun-15-08 02:17 PM by Gabi Hayes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lcEW4o1VxM

sometime around the 4:40 mark
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 02:53 PM
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28. That was a really good article.
I hope that Keith continues to kick ass and take names.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 05:48 PM
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33. “Because I can’t say, ‘Shut the fuck up,’ that’s why, frankly,” Olbermann responded.
:rofl:
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 06:51 PM
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35. Thank god for K Olberman! I wouldn't have anything to watch if he wasn't on.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 07:17 PM
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39. As much as I agree with Olbermann's opinions, he can't change the news.
I believe the vast majority, virtually all of the corporate media owned "news" is the equivalent of professional wrestling. Olbermann just happens to be the hero wrestler of which we mostly agree with, but he's still owned by the corporate media.

No doubt the neocons love Limbaugh, O'Reilly, etc. etc. as their heroes of "journalism", they all have strong opinions, but I believe when you get caught up in the personalities, the corporate media is still manipulating you, just as the fans of professional wrestling are manipulated by their passions.

The corporate media; particularly television in it's current manifestation is broken or dysfunctional as being serious sources of the news, this is a structural problem and painting it your favorite color isn't going to make it better.

Thanks for the thread, DeepModem Mom.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 12:58 AM
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44. I believe one voice CAN and DOES make a difference.
No one owns Olbermann. If someone tries to get him to say or do something he doesn't believe in, he walks.

So quit insulting those of us who like him as duped pro wresting fans.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 05:31 PM
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46. MSNBC own him and they can fire him again if they choose to do so.
I never said one voice can't make a difference, but he can't change the system, it's dysfunctional.

I'm not insulting you by comparing the current structure of television and to a large degree radio news as professional wrestling, that's exactly the way I see it. They play roles and argue over whether the table should be round or square, they never mention, that maybe we don't need a table. They create a mental box for the American People to live in; the good guys and the bad guys of which the corporate media own both and intelligence or lack thereof has nothing to do with being sucked in to that box.
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