It there "something wrong" woth Obama?

[Prefer]

I am chatting with my friend through email and she is saying she won't vote for Obama, that there's "something wrong" with him and that she would vote for McCain! WTF!!!!???

I am trying to get her to be more specific. She says she has written 10 letters to the editor against him! Swears it is not about Hillary.

This is a person that I have been square with for 7 years now complaining about Bush. What Gives?

[tridim]

1. Maybe there is something wrong with your friend?

No offense.

[undeterred]

2. No, there's something wrong with your friend.

[lonestarnot]

3. Your friend sounds like just another nutball my guess.

[Indenturedebtor]

4. I suggest having a talk with your friend about racism and bigotry n/t

[gaspee]

45. That's the only

Reason for someone to not support Obama? In your eyes, if someone doesn't like Obama, then they are racist?

Good to know.

[Orrex]

5. Obama's got a skin condition

People like your friend can't get past it.

[gateley]

6. I think you've id'd the "problem".

I think many of these people don't even recognize the racism in themselves.

[Prefer]

19. She did make a joke about that

and I was thinking the same thing. They can't explain it because they admit to themselves why.

[mikelgb]

7. nice I've never seen someone at 999

[tulsakatz]

8. does she have a reason why she won't for Obama?

:shrug:

[Prefer]

14. I am trying to get to that, I have asked for more specifics

because she doesn't seem like the kind of person to not vote for Obama - not in 7 years she hasn't seemed like that.

I wouldn't want to voilate our discussion by cutting and pasting, but when touches on the idea of a "virtual" person.

I went back through the emails...

She said his comment about the waters would stop rising was a signal to evangelicals (I have never heard of it, but then I don't watch TV)

says: Smug, deceptive, racist, who is behind him, at least mccain is a known quantity - maybe like nixon in china he could stop the war.

calls herself a "bitter clinger"?

[global1]

Why Don't You Ask To See The Letters To The Editor She Wrote About......

Obama. There might be a clue in them.

[Prefer]

24. Good suggestion. I found one

General skepticism and hatred. Wow, she is like a shot of Vinegar

Reminds me somewhat of my own fear and uncertainty before I found out more about Obama.

[RainDog]

31. McCain is a known entity who voted with Bush 98% of the time. NO MAVERICK

So if your friend is so fucked up that she wants more Bush, that's what she'll get. She'll get another war based upon lies that will mean the destruction of the U.S. as a world power b/c of the change from a nation of laws to a nation of all war criminals all the time.

At this point, I really don't care about people who say they won't vote for Obama. They're the ones with a problem, imo, because anyone with half a brain would understand that voting for a republican is like committing hari-kari.

McCain has admitted he's an idiot about the economy. Even so, he continues to insist on a failed supply-side ideology that has proven it is NOT a workable economic theory for anyone but the top 1%. Ask your friend to read Bartel's Princeton paper (via pdf online) about Income Distribution in the U.S. His study showed that democrats are better for ALL ppl in the economy except for the top 1% 3/4 of the time over the last 50 years. the only time repukes have been good for everyone was in a election year when they would throw the peasant class a bone.

So, unless your friend is in the top 1% economically, she and everyone else who votes for a republican votes against her/his own self-interest. This is the opposite of the entire thrust of capitalism... so... I'm trying to get the logic behind such a vote. Republicans, of course, lie their asses off about who benefits from their policies in order to sell their economic snake oil to idiots who want to pretend they are part of the economic elite. People who are walking, talking jokes, in other words.

That's really the problem in this nation. People are too stupid or lazy to actually seek out facts. Instead they believe whatever some putz on Fox News says because it gives them someone and something to hate other than their own economic overlords who say... whip yourself! it's for your own good! while pocketing the profits of their hard work.

[tulsakatz]

39. well. if you can find out what she has against him..........

...it will be easier to change her mind!

And if she uses the bitter BS......you might explain to her that that comment was not made as an insult. And in fact, I've seen several people here use an image in their sig like Bitter Women for Obama.......you might show her a few of those. And if she's really bitter, you might tell her she could be a bitter woman for Obama too!! haha........

[unpossibles]

9. I would try explaining that if McCain wins, not only do we get more Bush

but the Supreme Court will be packed by Republicans for a while.

[Prefer]

17. I thought it must be a womens issue...

I only have met her once maybe. she is a friend of my parents friends, but through the friends ... there is no way she is not just like the rest of us. I was assuming it must be that she really wanted Hillary to win as a woman, you know. Maybe I have hit on the reason and she doesn't want to admit it.

My wife is also suspiciously against Obama for no reasonable good reason, still I think... I wrote about it several months ago... It was because she had a nightmare.

[unpossibles]

44. but women's rights - and equal rights in general

will be better protected by Obama than McCain, and a Supreme Court which is balanced, not filled with more Scalias. Pro Choice and Equal Marriage Rights affect us all, even if not directly, so I try to see these as Human Issues more than women's issues or gay rights or what have you.

[DailyGrind51]

10. Sounds like she is projecting some deficiency within herself

on Obama! Read "The Nature of Prejudice" by Gordon W. Allport, it may provide better insight.

[rucky]

11. I'm not sure if I can make it to November

without strangling someone.

[Lex]

15. rucky, there is clearly something wrong woth you

but I'm not going to tell you what

:rofl:

[Uncle Joe]

12. I'm not sure but it might be McCain has been successful in

fooling her in to believing his policies are better or different than Cheney/Bush's, McCain has even adopted some of Obama's language regarding change to muck up the picture.

If the Democratic Congress is reluctant to pursue Impeachment proceedings in spite of the multitude of reasons given by the current maladministration to do so, that also mucks up the picture.

I believe should the Congress proceed with Impeachment hearings, McCain will be forced to show his true colors and your friend will know, he's a continuation of Bush. His argument of experience trumping judgment will be shown for the farce it is, but if Bush is given a free ride, McCain and the corporate media will tell the story and Obama will be viewed as too much of a "rookie" as Frank Rich referred to him, for these troubled times.

[FrenchieCat]

13. The lack of information you have provided makes me

uninterested in what you are talking about.

Your post is not supportive of our Democratic Nominee in any way.

You raise questions and doubt in a way that is a turn off.

I don't care how many posts you have; your type of post are exactly what DU doesn't need; more bullshit!

[rebel with a cause]

27. I am with you

But I will say that I had a friend who had a friend that emailed her a bunch of (racist) comments on Obama when he was running for the Senate here in Illinois. She asked me what to tell him, and I told her to tell her friend to take a hike or I would tell her to take a hike because I didn't want to be friends with anyone who would be friends with someone like that. I don't take racism lightly, I have seen the ugliness of it close-up.

[Richard Steele]

32. I have had the same feelings about the OP's entire body of work....

...since the day he signed up. As have many other DUers.

[Stingo]

16. Hidden racism?

I know many people who give a vague answer when it is clear they have a problem with Obama's race.

[Sundoggy]

18. I suspect

that she simply doesn't like his complexion, but doesn't want to hurt anyone's feelings by saying so. Lot of that going around.

[SergeyDovlatov]

20. does he mean "wrong color"?

[grassfed]

21. Read one of her LTTE

This sounds like someone who needs a shrink because his "friend" has an embarrassing condition.

[Dukkha]

22. racist

and a person of very low personal convictions if she could be that easily swayed after 7 years.

[Fridays Child]

23. Remind her of what she's voting for when she votes for McCain...

...a 100-year Iraq occupation, more torture of detainees; continued military detention of children as young as 10 (the United Nations defines amyone under 18 as VICTIMS of war, not combatants); continued tax breaks for the rich and for corporations; more domestic wiretapping; continued political manipulation of government agencies (including US Attorneys); unchecked Democratic and minority voter suppression; further erosion of constitutionally guaranteed civil rights and equal rights for LGBT people; the loss of reproductive health choices and further setbacks in the fight for equal pay for women; more right wing activist judges on the appellate circuit and the Supreme Court; further unconstitutional unitary executive action, along with the continued weakening of constitutionally mandated checks and balances.

Am I missing anything?

RUB IT IN. Every bit of it. Make her squirm. If she insists on this course of action, she deserves to feel as uncomfortable as you can possibly make her feel.

[HughMoran]

25. Anybody who talks stupid shit like this better be prepared to be shunned

I am NOT putting up with morans that say stupid shit like that. I will cut them out of my life - permanently.

[Sundoggy]

26. Did that long ago

Boy is my stress level lower now.

[shaft]

28. there's something wrong with everybody

but I hope it's not the wrong color here. Can't change that.

[melody]

29. Ask her why she'd want to put back in for four more years just because Obama is black

And that's what it's about.

[islandmkl]

30. maybe it's like isaac hayes said:

"...And if he's got a problem
Woo-oah I know I got to help him solve 'em
When something is wrong with my baby
Something is wrong with me
When something is wrong with my baby
Something is wrong with my baby
When something is wrong with my baby
Something is wrong with me"

[jwirr]

33. If they cannot bring themselves to voting for Obama at least encourage

them to either stay home or vote for a third party. Mcage is not an answer.

[Cleita]

34. Maybe what's wrong with him is that he isn't

Prince Charming. Is she a closet racist or just stupid?

[Tarheel_Dem]

35. First, you've reached a thousand posts, but no donor star. And that

sets off all kinds of alarms for me. Second, your post is very negative and in no way supports the presumptive nominee. Third, as an African American myself, we must be very careful not to assign "racism" to everyone who doesn't like Obama.

There were plenty of stupid Democrats who voted for George Bush TWICE, and race wasn't the issue. Let's face it, there are dumb Democrats and even dumber Repubs. My sister, who certainly isn't white or racist, still doesn't know if she'll vote for Obama. She's a bitter Hillarite, and as a result, we're not as close right now.

[gaspee]

46. THank you

I am so sick of the meme that people who don't like Obama are racist.

I don't like him and won't vote for him (I live in the bluest state in the country)

BUt my dislike for him comes from meeting him personally at a small fundraiser in 2006, from his voting for the energy bill, for using Axelrod as his campaign manager, his hate tour of churches (smear the Queer to kick off his south Carolina campaign) and quite a few other reasons.

I don't like the blatant hypocrisy of some of his supporters when it comes to voting to fund the war.

I have never once in my life been called a racist, nor have I ever considered myself one. In 2000, I was living in a 90% African American precinct in Duval County Florida and I marched with my neighbors against my vote being stolen.

I think you are the first person on this board who is pro-Obama who has said - be careful with the accusations of racism.

Add that to my list of why I'm not voting for Obama.

BTW, for those of you reading this still trying to call me a racist - guess who I supported in 2004? Carol Moseley Braun, thank you very much.

One of my heroes in life is Shirley Chisolm.

What a loss when she passed. Her, Molly Ivins and Ann Richards all gone long before their time.

[ljm2002]

36. I have a similar story...

... a friend who has always been apolitical since I've known her, then she got all fired up for Hillary Clinton, then next thing you know she's saying things like "there's just something about him" and "when I look into his eyes I see evil" -- weird. I just don't understand it at all. I mean, I have concerns about him, as I did about Clinton. And I do understand the harsh reactions people can have when a primary is this long and hard-fought. So to a certain point, some of this is expected. But WTH??? "something about him" ???

Oh, but in her case, her extended family watches a lot of Fox News. And they are *not* at all aware of the biases there. What she saw was that Fox News was "more fair" to Hillary. That is all she saw, because she was a Hillary supporter. So now she is less accepting of the idea that Fox is a totally biased source.

Sigh.

[miles 2 go]

37. sounds like she noticed that he's black

I don't even know how to answer the people who don't like Obama but can give no reason. It just seems that if they didn't like his policies, they would say that. If they think he's a muslim, they would say that. If they think he hasn't got the experience for the job, they would say that.

The only thing that I can think of that they wouldn't want to admit is that he's black.

I think they are (besides just racist asses) afraid that he is going to "do things" for the black people exclusively. You remember, that the blacks were going to rise up someday? Well, I think they think it's here. They are afraid that AA (African Americans) are going to take over. They know how the AA's were treated and they are afraid it's going to turn around on them now.

I think that when Obama wins, everything he does will be scrutinized. Especially if it is something positive for the poorer people. They will try to make it that he is doing it for black people.

I don't know how to overcome racism in the election. I guess a lot of pics of him with his grandparents would help. I think many of them will come around after they listen to him and watch him. He has that magical Charisma.

Fortunately, the majority of really racist people are already republicans so it may not affect us as much as it sometimes seems. They wouldn't be voting for a dem of any color.

[AndyTiedye]

38. What is wrong with McCain could bring on Armageddon if he gets in

[stanwyck]

40. I think you need to ask yourself

what's wrong with me? You've known this person for 7 years. You've discussed politics for 7 years. She's written 10 letters to the editor. And you still are clueless? You're asking us what gives? What gives with a person who has known someone for 7 years and yet can't reveal even one specific about a person's antipathy for the Dem. presidential candidate despite 10 LTTEs?
I question your credibility.

[Canuckistanian]

41. Is it about Obama's skin's inability to reflect light?

Because I hear from my sources that it may cause "certain people" "problems" in the future.

I do hope your friend is not one of those.

[yardwork]

42. Some people go around the internets stirring up fear, uncertainty, and doubt

about Democratic candidates. Some people say that some of those people are even paid to make up stories about "friends" and "spouses" who "just don't like" such-and-so-candidate. There are reports of trillions of dollars in Pentagon spending that is unaccounted for, and some people say that paid shills on the internets might be paid from some of that missing trillions.

You wouldn't do anything like that, would you?

[opihimoimoi]

43. Blatant racist..forget her....not a good human being.....evil even...

[truebrit71]

47. ...apparently you need new friends...or at least colour-blind ones...

...

[Blue-Jay]

48. 10 LTTE and all she can come up with is "something wrong"?

Your friend sounds like an idiot.

[BlooInBloo]

49. He's blackity blackity black black.