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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:49 PM
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Breaking MSNBC: Wall Street Journal, Obama camp saying Hill will unlikely be VP nominee because
Edited on Wed Jun-04-08 07:36 PM by Doityourself
Bill "maybe" unwilling to open up/release documents for library, etc.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:52 PM
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1. A face-saving way to let her know it's not going to happen.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:52 PM
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2. That wasn't a direct quote or even inside comment. That's an opinion.
Most of us share that opinion. And of course BC would have to be vetted, right along with HC.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 07:33 PM
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13. I'm glad someone else knows how to read
"Bill Clinton may balk at releasing records of his business dealings and big donors to his presidential library."


What part of the word "may" do people do not understand?
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Middle finga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:59 PM
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3. that's why it's not a good idea to pick the Clintons
They probably feel they are above Obama, and should not have to take orders from the "new young guy". If I was Obama I would kindly tell the Clintons thanks for your offer but no thanks. If Obama had to spend the next 8 years fixing Bush's mess and dealing with the Clintons he would leave the white house looking older than McCain do now.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 07:04 PM
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4. Agreed. The Clintons would just be "back-seat drivers" . . .
and overshadow Obama.

There is room for only 1 POTUS and 1 VPOTUS - nobody should EVER forget that.

:kick::kick:
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 07:39 PM
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14. Yes, as I have posted on other threads,
the Obama/Clinton ticket reminds me too much of Abraham Lincoln/Johnson and Kennedy/Johnson. In each of those cases, the presidential candidate compromised too much in selecting the vice presidential candidate, and in case you don't remember what happened next.

Andrew Johnson became president after Lincoln's assassination:

As president he took charge of Presidential Reconstruction — the first phase of Reconstruction — which lasted until the Radical Republicans gained control of Congress in the 1866 elections. His conciliatory policies towards the South, his hurry to reincorporate the former Confederates back into the union, and his vetoes of civil rights bills embroiled him in a bitter dispute with the Radical Republicans.<3> The Radicals in the House of Representatives impeached him in 1868, but he was acquitted by a single vote in the Senate. He was the first U.S. President to be impeached.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Johnson

And then there is Lyndon Johnson who succeeded Kennedy upon his assassination. LBJ owed his career to Brown & Root and repaid them by hiring them to pave large parts of Viet Nam.

One of its first large-scale projects, according to the book Cadillac Desert, was to build a dam on the Texas Colorado River near Austin during the Depression years. For assistance in federal payments, the company turned to the local Congressman, Lyndon B. Johnson. Brown & Root was the principal source of campaign funds for Johnson's initial run for Congress in 1937 in return for persuading the Bureau of Reclamation to change its rules against paying for a dam on land the federal government did not own, a decision that had to go all the way to President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, according to Robert A. Caro's book The Path to Power. After other very profitable construction projects for the federal government, such as building the Corpus Christi Naval Station, Brown & Root gave massive sums of cash for Johnson's first run for the U.S. Senate in 1941. Brown and Root violated IRS rules over campaign contributions, largely in charging off its donations as deductible company expenses, again according to Robert Caro. A subsequent IRS investigation threatened to bring criminal charges of illegal campaign donations against Brown & Root as well as Johnson and others. It was not quashed until Roosevelt himself told the IRS to back off and allowed Brown and Root to settle for pennies on the dollar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kellogg,_Brown_and_Root

Both Lincoln and Kennedy accepted running mates with their own agendas who owed political if not personal debts to powerful interests other than the president with whom they ran. I am not accusing either Johnson of complicity in the assassinations of the presidents with whom they served, but it is very possible that unprincipled interests wanted the Johnsons in and Lincoln and Kennedy out felt confident that the assassinations of the elected president and the succession of the vice president in each case.

More on Johnson and Brown & Root now Halliburton

All Things Considered, December 24, 2003 · . . . .

The story of Halliburton's ties to the White House dates back to the 1940s, when a Texas firm called Brown & Root constructed a massive dam project near Austin. The company's founders, Herman and George Brown, won the contract to build Mansfield Dam thanks to the efforts of Johnson, who was then a Texas congressman.

After Johnson took over the Oval Office, Brown & Root won contracts for huge construction projects for the federal government. By the mid-1960s, newspaper columnists and the Republican minority in Congress began to suggest that the company's good luck was tied to its sizable contributions to Johnson's political campaign.

More questions were raised when a consortium of which Brown & Root was a part won a $380 million contract to build airports, bases, hospitals and other facilities for the U.S. Navy in South Vietnam. By 1967, the General Accounting Office had faulted the "Vietnam builders" -- as they were known -- for massive accounting lapses and allowing thefts of materials.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1569483
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 07:08 PM
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5. hint: Wes Clark
nt

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 07:23 PM
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9. Wes Clark would be a great compromise.
He is close to the Clintons but does not have their donor baggage. He is known to the public, especially to the Fox News crowd. No one, and I mean no one on earth, surpasses his expertise on foreign affairs and the military. He is a mature, white male, (good looking!!!), great personality and a wonderful person. Everyone loves him. He would be an excellent choice.
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dhill926 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 07:25 PM
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10. totally agree...a great AND intelligent pick....
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 07:08 PM
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6. And this is how we know Obama went easy on the Clintons.
Obama knows some things are wrong there and he chose not to use it in the primary. Hillary should be grateful.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 07:19 PM
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7. her ambition is a threat to him
She pretty much laid it out on the table that assassination is not out of the question. Selecting her as VP would void his life insurance.
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 07:21 PM
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8. "Selecting her as VP would void his life insurance."
Health Insurance too..lmao
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 07:26 PM
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11. This sucks, but it's the right stance for Obama to take....
I agree with this. Not because I don't want Clinton to be VP (because I honestly do) but because it would be hypocritical of me to want Bush to release his documents regarding his library (even though I doubt he will) if I refuse to demand the same of Bill Clinton.
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 07:33 PM
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12. Fineman said the same thing on Olbermann. Very interesting
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 07:59 PM
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15. Vicious in victory, the hallmark of the Obama campaign.
I'm making a small bet they didn't bother to ask. They just thought they'd send her out on a smear.

Understand, I want her in the Senate and nowhere near those entitled, spiteful, mean-spirited, sexist, ageist, smug ...winners.

The campaign lasted this long because half the Democrats don't want the televangelist and his easy-for-idiots slogans.

And this is just one more proof that the rot starts at the top.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:01 PM
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16. Dan Abrams discussing now n/t
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