So McCain graduated 5th from the bottom at Annapolis.

[Jackpine Radical]

And by all accounts he was one of the worst pilots in the Navy.

And it's all been downhill from there.

I sometimes thing the Republicans are trying to throw this one because they know how bad it's gonna get in the next decade, and gthey want to tie the can of consequences of all Bush's misdeeds onto the donkey's tail.

[liberal N proud]

1. A bottom dweller like his idol, bu$h

If I recall reading somewhere, the only reason he was in the academy was because his daddy was an officer

[Jackpine Radical]

4. Daddy was a Very bigshot Admiral.

Yeah, now that you mention it, very much like Bush, except that he actually saw Vietnam.

[Supersedeas]

12. lots in common, those two

[no_hypocrisy]

2. From my perspective, it's not how you started, but what you did with it and

how you developed.

[Jackpine Radical]

5. Like I said,

it's all been downhill from there.

[no_hypocrisy]

6. Conceded.

:hi:

[Jackpine Radical]

8. Skål.

[havocmom]

3. Probably wouldn't have gone to Annapolis without former Adm. father & grand father

Makes me wonder what promising person did not get a seat so the fuck up fortunate son could take up space and receive his entitlement via nepotism.

[Jackpine Radical]

7. Maybe some sane and competent kid with stars in his eyes

got saved from a military career.

I remember once being young & stupid enough to think about an Air Force career. Fortunately I was sufficiently nearsighted to keep me out of the cockpit, and two involuntary years in the Army finally cured whatever jingoistic military sentiment I had left.

[Liberal Lassie]

10. Would somebody please state that college (and jet flying) is HARD!

I had very good grades in high school but getting a good grade or even a PASSING grade in college is VERY HARD and something to be proud of. I had to sweat for every single point and good grade that I got and am damn proud of of hanging in there to the end!

[Virginia Dare]

18. How hard can jet flying be if Dubya could do it?...n/t

[Dogtown]

21. Good for you!

but being in the lowest 5% of your class does not qualify you as president. "Something to be proud of" is just not enough.

Getting shot down is not much of a qualifier, either. OK, *I* can't handle a jet aircraft. But I'm not running for president on my record of failure, either.


Have you got anything else?

[blondeatlast]

25. Say something negative about the Republican opponent--I dare you.

I've seen several posts from you and they all defend our opponent.

Maybe a quick review of the DU rules would be called for as well.

[blondeatlast]

26. Indeed, both are. And yet some people seem to excel at them and some people

(like McMore) benefit from Hereditary Affirmative Action, Messrs. BushII and Bush III.

[acmavm]

28. Well good for you. Now please tell me what that has to do with

McCrazy.

[EstimatedProphet]

42. Yeah, I will - it's hard

It's supposed to be. That's not to say that it's the only thing that is worth considering as a qualification for president, but really, would it be worth it if it were easy? You want easy, drop out of high school. That's easy.

[lpbk2713]

9. As a pilot he was our first Ace!!

Well, it was five of our own aircraft that he bagged,
but isn't that just a mere technicality. :shrug:

:sarcasm:

[Jackpine Radical]

30. I think you have that wrong.

He was North Vietnam's first Ace.

[mikeytherat]

40. There actually is a term for it: Reverse Ace

To be fair to Johnny Mac, though, he only lost four aircraft on his own; a Chinese SAM bagged the last one.

mikey_the_rat

[Mudoria]

11. Yes and survived five years of being a prisoner of war, not to

mention being tortured. Also refused to leave while the other men being held would not be allowed to. Not many would make a decision like that when they could be free and away from captivity and pain. While I wouldn't vote for him for president because I disagree with many of his policies and beliefs I also have a lot of respect for him personally.

[Lex]

14. You're right, his being a POW doesn't in any way qualify him for President.

nt

[formercia]

24. In the Soviet Union, this would never have happened

Stalin assumed that any POW returned by the enemy was a double agent and was dealt with accordingly.

[Virginia Dare]

17. Do you respect the fact that he now condones torture?...n/t

[Dogtown]

20. Tool

up your shields there, Muddy.

Any apology for this aristocrat jerk will be seen as a def red flag.

[Bluebear]

22. Survived being tortured, yet is OK with torture now. No respect for that, sorry.

[benddem]

13. He wouldn't have been accepted

at Annapolis if his Dad and Grandpa hadn't been Admirals. He most certainly wouldn't have been accepted for flight school with his standing in the class if the Dad and Grandpa weren't Admirals.
Those guys are selected from the top of the class not the bottom.

[cstanleytech]

15. In his defense the fact that he did graduate is an accomplishment

though its not enough to get me to vote for him still *grin*

[Jackpine Radical]

31. What, you wanna be the Annapolis prof

that flunks the Admiral's kid?

[Number9Dream]

16. Gen. Wesley Clark was first in his class at West Point

If Sen. Obama could convince Gen. Wesley Clark to be his Vice-Presidential running mate, we Democrats would own the National Security issue. The republicans have nobody to match Gen. Clark. I realize that Gen. Clark endorsed Sen. Clinton, but I'm sure he would serve his country in this position if asked.

[Lex]

27. He's my pick for VP for Obama.

Has been all along. :thumbsup:

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

19. I can't fault him for his low standing in the class

My law school record was less than stellar, but it doesn't mean I'm not a fine attorney.

HAVING SAID THAT, I despise McCain and don't understand where this "war hero" crapola comes from.

[Jackpine Radical]

33. Was your daddy a SC Justice?

McNutso's old man was an admiral. As I said a minute ago, you wanna be the West Point prof that flunks the Admiral's kid?

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

45. No, he sold mens' clothing and has been in his grave for 25 years

You have a point!

[Rosemary2205]

23. You don't want to go there.

I don't care how bad a student or pilot he was. The man went when America called and paid a heavy mental and physical price for it. And if any faction of the D's are idiotic enough to slam McCain's war hero status in any kind of serious way, America can and will revolt. IMHO.

[Jackpine Radical]

34. I got enough bullet holes in my carcass from infantry duty in 'Nam

to pretty much feel that I have the right to say whatever I feel like saying about him.

[Rosemary2205]

35. Of course you have a right to say it.

Even without the bullet holes in your carcass you have every right to say whatever you please and if I really came over that way I apologize. I'm just saying if it's used seriously as a campaign tactic it will be very counterproductive. IMHO.

[Jackpine Radical]

37. This is DU, not the editorial page of my local paper.

DUers get to hear from me about McCain's military history. The general public will hear other things from me about McNutso. Things relevant to why he's a bad idea for President.

[lpbk2713]

38. Tell it like it is.

We served at around the same time. You have my respects. You had it a lot worse than me.

USN 65 - 69.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[maxrandb]

29. Usually, the bottom 1% of Annapolis

would never see the inside of a jet fighter cockpit. He should be asked how that happened.

Navy Pilots are the "elite of the elite". They scraped pretty low to get this guy into flight school.

[Phred42]

32. McCain still owes us for that Plane

[KG]

36. he pranged like 4 or 5 planes.

[Phred42]

41. That's it! Revoke his License

[kevinbgoode]

39. That would make him a hero in GOP eyes.

After all, Republicans usually throw veterans under the bus in favor of AWOL National Guard elitists like the Dubya. . .and I suppose McSame is about as close as the Republicans can get to finding a "hero" in their ranks.

[originalpckelly]

43. I always thought he was a bottom.

Just look at the way he cuddles up to old George. Yep, we know who wears the pants in that relationship.

[Disturbed]

44. No need to bring up McLame's mediocre Navy Pilot

experience. McLame will self-destruct. His speech yesterday is clear evidence of that.