After watching Obama at AIPAC, all I can say is--PUT THIS MAN ON THE WORLD STAGE!

[Bicoastal]

This is a guy who can into a Vermont town hall, an African American church, an Indian Reservation, or a room full of pro-Israel Jews, and have them eating out of his hand after 15 minutes on the dais.

Now more than ever, we need a great communicator, and people who disparage his charisma and poise aren't seeing the big picture. Send him to Europe. Send him to Africa. Send him to the Middle East. Bush treats these events as exotic photo ops--our candidate will not only talk to the leaders and people of these countries, he'll speak to them in terms they'll be responsive to.

As Democrats, we can quibble about minor differences in international diplomacy, but let's be frank--the US is suffering from its worst PR problem in many generations, and Barack Obama is the man to fix it.

[gateley]

1. ...

[dkf]

2. Change the world :)

[Indiana_Dem]

3. I talked to someone who knows someone who has worked with Obama-

and he told me his friend said that Obama was an extremely good negotiator. Yes, I think right now he is the leader we need.

[NewJeffCT]

6. You mean

He won't surrender to the Iranians if he meets with them?

:sarcasm:

[DS1]

4. Can't wait for some pig

[ChairmanAgnostic]

12. damn, he looks more and more like a character from Tolkein.

and not a pleasant one, either.

[LakeSamish706]

5. Great post, and I totally agree... We will soon have a great Orator and...

great Communicator occupying our White House and this will send a message to the world that the US is back.

[PATRICK]

7. The only reliance men of ill will

could have in McCain is if he was malleable(not temperamental) and brain dead in the control of the men behind the curtain. They might settle for a hollow robot but McCain, for all his deals and viciousness makes their agenda a thing of chaos, risk and horror.

If Bush had been successful. If someone with talent had been delivering the goods, it would have taken a long time for the inevitable to wrap the neocons in defeat and horror. Now it is just, pathetically, there, growling, stumbling, crumbling away like crust in a blender without a lid.

presidentmccain. They whisper it in their dreams and stare at their pistol, at their medicine cabinet.
presidentmccain. So bad that Obama looks very endurable and retreat very comfortable a refuge.

[gasperc]

8. Yep, saw him speak here in Troy, MI Monday

I watched a President speak. I'm 41, so I don't get all ga-ga over him but it was great to watch the audience filled with so many young people excited about his candidacy and the promise of a better, hopeful future. I remember graduating in 1990 and being thrust into a total desert of joblessness. It sucked. That is what they are feeling now. On top of that, they look into the abyss of Iraq and see a very bleak future. A future I see for my two young kids unless we get Obama in there. So, we have but one job, see to it that Obama get the votes to become the next President of the United States.

[Indenturedebtor]

21. Actually the economy is even worse

The climate crisis is coming to a head, our Constitution is in tatters, we're running out of oil, and so on. All the major world issues that the previous generations refused to deal are coalescing into a great weight on the shoulders of the Millenials.

If Obama doesn't get elected the wife and I are leaving all of our stuff here and leaving America for good. Except for visits to the family of course.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

9. All I can say is pleast stop polluting the GD forum with GDP threads.

[Bicoastal]

11. The primary is over. Obama is the presumptive nominee, and I intend to post stuff like this...

...unless or until the Mods tell me not to.

It's not about him versus her anymore, you've got to realize that. Polluting GD indeed...:eyes:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

16. Yes, pollution indeed.

He is the not the actual, but the "presumptive" :eyes: nominee. That means primaries aren't technically over.

[Bicoastal]

18. Go ahead and alert me then and try to get this thread locked or moved...

...but I can guarantee you the Mods won't listen.

As of yesterday night, a thread like this is perfectly acceptable for GD--and by the looks of it, you seem to be one of the few who didn't get the message.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

19. didnt get what message?

[Bicoastal]

20. The message that a pro-Obama post is now appropriate for GD.

You realize, don't you, that the P in GDP stands for Primaries. And the Primaries are now over!

Skinner has given everybody one week to get all their anti-Hillary, anti-Obama crap out of their system. Then the P in GDP will stand for "Politics" once more, or changed to GDE (General Discussion:Election). Either way, the two forums will once again return to the way they were prior to January--virtually indistinguishable.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

23. There is a difference between "presumptive" and "official"

But to heck with technicalities, eh?
(btw, can anyone recall the term "presumptive" used in primaries before? Not to my recollection)

[Bicoastal]

25. I know you think you're on to something clever here...

...but you're not. EVERY presidential nominee with the delegates behind him remains the presumptive nominee before the convention, and the official nominee afterwards. John McCain is the presumptive nominee of the other party. Bill Clinton was the presumptive nominee at this time back in 1992. Sure, Obama could spontaneously combust or moon the Pope, or something else that would place Hillary in a position to win the nomination even if/when she concedes. Barring that, Obama IS the nominee-to-be.

None of that means that the primaries aren't OVER. And I hope you realize that I don't make the rules--the Mods do. A week ago, yes, this thread would be GDP material and locked immediately. Notice how it's staying open right now?

Take it up with them, not me. Yeesh.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

27. Skinner says you have to wait another 5 minutes

"As promised the presidential primary on Democratic Underground will soon come to an end. Out of respect to Senator Clinton and her supporters, I do not want to officially end the primary on Democratic Underground until she makes her intentions clear. With this in mind, our TENTATIVE plan is to end discussion of the primary at 12:00 noon ET, Wednesday June 11."

Get it?

[Bicoastal]

28. No, because this post wasn't about the primary at all!

It's about Barack Obama.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

29. You're right about that

This is one of another zillion on GD this morning about B.O. and I should have picked a different thread to get into this with. I am just sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of the the Obama fest on DU, and wish there would be an Obama room where all Obama threads are posted.

[Bicoastal]

30. What can I say? Get used to it.

This is how it's going to be from now on--as it was in 2004 with John Kerry.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

32. I joined the week the election was stolen from him

so missed the Kerry orgy preceding the election. Glad I did if it was as irritating as this has been.

[FatDave]

31. Bicoastal is right

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumptive_nominee

The presumptive nominee in the politics of the United States is a candidate who has not yet received the official nomination of his or her party at the party's nominating convention, but who is an undisputed front-runner who is widely, or even unanimously, presumed to be the political party's candidate. The term is applied widely on the national level, notably in regard to the U.S. presidential nominating conventions and the statewide level.

A candidate may be considered a presumptive nominee after all other major competitors have dropped out and it is considered unlikely that the candidate will withdraw, be usurped, or be otherwise removed from the race. Alternatively, in presidential elections, a candidate may be deemed the presumptive nominee after having accumulated enough delegate commitments through the primary elections and caucuses to be assured of the eventual nomination at the convention.

(emphasis mine)

[eowyn_of_rohan]

33. Yes, I learned something from Bicoastal today

still, the word Presumptive sounds a lot like Presume, and that is a bit like Assume, which we all know makes asses of u and me. ;)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

14. The Admins took the pinned threads re GD and GDP down last night.

Obama is our presumptive candidate and the primaries are over.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

17. presumptive schmumptive

GDP is alive and well as of right now, whatever the heck "pinned" means. :eyes:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

34. I guess they felt like leaving the forum up. Pinned threads are used

to give specific instructions to members.

[glitch]

10. Well said, Perhaps the world will think we're finally growing up and give us another chance.K & R nt

[Voice for Peace]

13. Not only does he talk, and talk well -- he listens. In order to deal with "enemies"

you first have to understand them -- how they think, what they want. This is half the work of any conflict. The "leaders" we have who will not talk with our "enemies" only can speculate, make up their own notions of who the enemies are and what they want. Without listening, no insight, no progress.

Obama understands people very well. Not only human nature, but the art of communication. He is an artist, a brilliant one.

No more "sorry everybody" websites (http://www.sorryeverybody.com/) !!!!!!!!! :applause: :woohoo:

[laststeamtrain]

15. No, what it sounds like is the parasitic neocons have found a new host body.

You praise the messenger without engaging with the message which is 'business as usual'. But he does say it real nice for whatever that's worth.

[callous taoboy]

22. You are correct, sir. K & R

[lonestarnot]

24. Mr. President! And one we can be proud of without a doubt!

:applause: :patriot:

[Poll_Blind]

26. I'm excited to see video of this. His speech in Boca Raton was not as...

..generally famous as, say, his speech on race but it was an incredible example of how a Democratic politician may bring core beliefs about equality, justice, compromise and reconciliation to a very politically-hostile audience...and convert their anger into hope.

  It should be the most base of political alchemies but unfortunately most politicians are too lazy to even attempt the magic.

  Barack is willing and able. His bravery emboldens others. And that is how one man begins to change the world.

PB

[blindpig]

35. Yes indeed, we need another Raygun!

A great speaker firmly wed to the capitalist/imperialist system. Great.