listen to this, by dr george lakoff, MOST AMAZING THING I've HEARD YET.>link>>

[sam sarrha]

http://wamu.org/programs/dr/08/06/02.php#20824

"Linguist George Lakoff on what recent brain research demonstrates about the power of language to shape unconscious thought… and why he believes anti-democratic forces in this country will prevail unless progressives start using language that can change brains".


if we dont adapt our country will become a Decidership

[gateley]

1. Like that smarmy republican guy who did the

oil drilling = energy exploration, etc.

It's not what you say, it's what they THINK you say.

[Hamlette]

2. if you have time, a summary would be great

I don't have time to listen to it right now and I fear I'll forget to go back and listen when (if?) I have time later.

What should we be saying?

thanks.

[Speck Tater]

6. In the first few minutes ... an example:

If you go on a right-wing talk show and the host asks you "are you for or against tax relief?"

You've already lost the debate. The question implies that tax is always an onerous affliction that needs to be relieved.

[sam sarrha]

7. he explains how our world is defined by the Renascence "Awakening" and is not aa appropriate or

nor effective format to perceive todays reality.. he explains why.. only he can do that .. it is the association of emotions with ...preconcieved conventional metaphor/emotional icons.

he explains how the process is 98% "un-conscious".. how the ReThuglicans have hijacked our nations sub-conscious thru their insidious redefining of words and metaphorical/emotional icons

if you dont listen to this or read his new book.. you wont know why this country is going down the drain and taking the rest of the world with it. you will just see it happen and say.."WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING"..AGAIN as you have so many times before.., AS CIVILIZATION ENDS. the ReThuglicans wont wonder, their reality will simply be.."we just didnt torture enough people to death".. because their perception of reality is based on the strict father principal.. he explains this well.. in simple terms

if you meditate this is very obvious, because it redefines/reorganizes our minds relationship to emotions and cyclical thoughts. you dont kneejerk to unconscious stimuli, and icons, the purpose of meditation is to become "AWAKE".. NOT victom to what dr lakoff is talking about

[Joe Chi Minh]

11. It's bad enough that we have to call the wrong'uns, the right, but hearing the

Democrats STILL calling the Republicans the Grand Old Party, even abbreviated to GOP, my head just explodes. For once in my life I me speechless. The enormity of it literally dumbfounds me.

Does anyone really think the Republicans, in the Democrats' shoes, would call the Democratic Party, the Grand Old Party???!!! They can't even bring themselves to call you the DEMOCRATIC Party!!!! Given that US politics has always been a blood sport, but has now morphed from a blood sport into a political Texas Chainsaw Massacre, it makes even less sense to me than ever.

And as for "splitting the ticket", as I think you call it... well, I can understand divided support for Bill Clinton's Democrats, after his NAFTA and social-security scandals, but otherwise, it just shows how right-wing the Democrats had become.

[Ghost Dog]

25. This kind of material would be a good example, right?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3376276

[blondeatlast]

21. "Don't Think of an Elephant" by Lakoff is an entertaining and very fast read.

I highly recommend it. Lakoff's web page is here:

http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/people/lakoff

[Maat]

3. I love Lakoff;

I have a Master's in Psychology, and was a social worker for years; he always rings true to me.

[IndyOp]

4. K&R.

[Triana]

5. I heard him being interviewed by Diane Rehm this morning on NPR - fascinating stuff....

...and he's likely got some good suggestions for us progressive-types.

[sam sarrha]

9. that is what he was talking about.. if we dont figure this out the ReThuglicans will win

[dragonlady]

26. Another Lakoff interview Tuesday on Wisconsin Public Radio

After nine, Kathleen Dunn's guest cognitive linguist shares his
thoughts on the political mind. Guest: George Lakoff, professor of
cognitive linguistics, University of California, Berkeley. Author,
“The Political Mind: Why You Can't Understand 21st-Century American
Politics with an 18th-Century Brain.”

9 am Central. This can be heard live at www.wpr.org under Live Streaming (Ideas Network)

[XemaSab]

8. "Don't think of an Elephant" is required reading for all progressives

:D

[sam sarrha]

10. that wasnt the book this interview was about, it's a new book

[Nickster]

20. I just started reading it this week. Good stuff.

[blondeatlast]

22. Yes. Yes. Yes. Inexpensive, entertaining, and a fast read; my copy is so marked up

I can hardly read the text anymore.

[rudy23]

12. This has been a very rough 8 years for psych people to watch.

They're turning a once great, free nation into a nation of willful fascists--and they're doing it with not much more than psych 101 tactics, and the will to shut off their consciences and take it as far as it will go.

[mzmolly]

13. Listening now,

very interesting as usual.

Thanks. :hi:

[sam sarrha]

23. CLICK ON THE BLUE LINK IN MY SIGNATURE

[anigbrowl]

14. What is up with the host...she sounds so stoned. Like Emo Philips' sister....

Weird. I started wondering if I was having an LSD flashback or something.

[eppur_se_muova]

16. It's a medical condition that causes her voice to quaver. She is a very good interviewer though.

Unfortunately, I haven't heard her show for a long time -- I used to listen to it in the early mornings when I lived elsewhere. It does take some getting used to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Rehm
Trouble with her voice forced Rehm to take a hiatus from vocal broadcasting in 1998. Rehm was later diagnosed with spasmodic dysphonia.<3>

on edit: Scott Adams, creator of 'Dilbert', suffered from a similar condition, and apparently recovered, which is very rare. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15446515/GT1/8618/

[anigbrowl]

27. Most interesting. But I still found her almost unlistenable.

[hootinholler]

15. Something else to listen to tonight. n/t

[elizfeelinggreat]

17. love Lakoff

Thanks for the link

And the heads up on the new book -

The Political Mind: Why You Can't Understand 21st-Century American Politics with an 18th-Century Brain )

[BlueEyedSon]

18. Windows Media and Real Audio...ugh.

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. Lakoff is awesome

We all need to read his books and pay attention to what he is saying. DON'T THINK OF AN ELEPHANT was the first book our book club read. It sets a tone and puts your brain in a great place.

[eridani]

24. That's why Clinton's campaign has been so destructive

She reinforces Repuke memes with no break at all. The "elitist" meme would be used agaist her in the GE, but she doesn't seem to care. See also the "commander in chief" frame.

http://www.rockridgenation.org/blog/archive/2008/03/17/ask-rockridge-we-need-a-president-not-just-a-commander-in-chief

Though the words themselves are neutral, they have been used within a right-wing frame that is not obvious. The frame includes the following:

--The overriding challenge facing our country is military in nature.
--The military role of the president is therefore far more important than all of the other jobs he or she performs.
--Military experience, or direct experience with military affairs (e.g., the Armed Services Committee) is the single most important experience needed for the presidency.
--The country should be governed on a military basis. The state should first and foremost be a security state.
--The temperament needed for a president is martial; the president should be a fighter and should be engaged in fighting.
--The governing style for a president should be giving orders and making sure they are carried out. Others in public service should be obedient to the president’s orders.

That is what it means to make the “commander-in-chief” question the main issue in a campaign. The commander-in-chief frame shifts the role of the president away from governing our nation and into the more limited scope of managing military affairs. It takes us away from domestic questions, including other questions of protection and leadership.

That frame is not what America is about. It does not embody fundamental American values. Nor does it portray what the role of the government is in our democracy. The dual roles of government are protection and empowerment, as we have written elsewhere. Protection is not just military or police protection, but a wide range: consumer protection, worker protection, environmental protection, social security, protection from natural disasters and disease, and protection from economic devastation.

The kind of military chain of command and absolute authority in wartime does not apply to most functions of the president. The president is not supposed to be commander-in-chief of Congress, nor commander-in-chief of the FBI or the Justice Department, nor commander-in-chief of the American people. Right now he isn't even Commander-in-Chief of Blackwater, a private army.

[sam sarrha]

28. and most frightening of all is that she has indicated assassination is an 'opportunity'..

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